Re: [sage-devel] Relocating Sage

2016-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Thursday, March 17, 2016, David Roe wrote: > Here's a use case where the recent changes to relocatability are really > annoying. I'd like 6 sage installs in an SMC project so that different > groups at Sage Days 71 can work independently. So I tried building a copy > from source and then cop

Re: [sage-devel] Sage "and" Anaconda

2016-03-11 Thread William Stein
Volker, Any chance you have a moment to make some remarks about hashdist in this thread? https://github.com/hashdist/hashdist -- William On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Volker Braun wrote: > As another data point, I always had trouble running gentoo-prefix / > lemona.de on Fedora. More ofte

Re: [sage-devel] Sage "and" Anaconda

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 03/10/2016 02:37 PM, William Stein wrote: >>> >>> I'm not arguing that complex is better than simple, but most of their >>> build scripts are so simple that they don't work. Error handling is

Re: [sage-devel] Sage "and" Anaconda

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:58 AM, François Bissey wrote: > On 03/11/16 07:54, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> >> On 2016-03-10 18:19, William Stein wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Jeroen Demeyer >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Afte

Re: [sage-devel] zero division

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Fredrik Johansson wrote: > Minor correction: RR exponents are not *arbitrary* precision, though much > higher precision than RDF. This still happens: > > sage: RR("1e") > +infinity > > RBF, mpmath, and (if I remember correctly) also Python's D

Re: [sage-devel] Sage "and" Anaconda

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 03/10/2016 01:47 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2016-03-10 19:23, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> Its main issue is that all of the build >>> scripts are incredibly naive. For example, the source-based install >>> routing for PostgreSQL i

Re: [sage-devel] zero division

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Thierry wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 09:04:07AM -0800, William Stein wrote: > [...] >> RR (=RealField(53)) is absolutely not "nothing but a slower >> implementation of RDF". With RR you get arbitrary precision >> exponents,

Re: [sage-devel] Sage "and" Anaconda

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Erik Bray wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Jeroen Demeyer > wrote: >> After a quick look at conda, one major difference is that its focus is >> really on binary packages. It might not be easy to support the Sage "build >> from source" model in conda. > >

Re: [sage-devel] Sage "and" Anaconda

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > After a quick look at conda, one major difference is that its focus is > really on binary packages. It might not be easy to support the Sage "build > from source" model in conda. This change in focus could be a big plus. For example, do yo

Re: [sage-devel] zero division

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Thierry wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 08:17:43AM +0100, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2016-03-09 23:56, Thierry wrote: >> >Willing to >> >change the behaviour will be similar to requesting that 'NaN in RR' should >> >return False. >> Not the topic of this thread,

Re: [sage-devel] Sage "and" Anaconda

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Erik Bray wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Jeroen Demeyer > wrote: >> On 2016-03-10 17:12, Erik Bray wrote: >>> >>> It might almost be worth rebuilding Sage's packaging on top of the >>> conda platform, so that we can eliminate a lot of the overhead of >

Re: [sage-devel] Sage "and" Anaconda

2016-03-10 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Erik Bray wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:48 PM, kcrisman wrote: >> I don't know if this is "really" using Sage in Anaconda, but anyway a poster >> on ask.sagemath has come up with something that might be of interest to >> those who have talked about this distr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Bye

2016-03-09 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:05 AM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > One point I think Nathann has right and was not discussed further is the > fact that Sage the distribution is tightly linked to Sage the company. Some > examples: > - the "forced" change of names by William from

[sage-devel] RedHat/opensource.com -- article about Sage

2016-03-08 Thread William Stein
Hi Sage Devs, See https://opensource.com/education/16/3/sagemath and http://lwn.net/ Don't expect anything interesting to *you* -- it's just basically the transcript of that video my brother made, which has no "real content". However, the video is making many people aware of Sage who had never

Re: [sage-devel] Re: I think my students hate me

2016-03-08 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:55 AM, kcrisman wrote: > I do have a basement but it's definitely not a place to do Sage, and in any > case have found trains to be an effective place to work on Sage, if the > wireless is working... I did most of the work on Sage for the first year here [1]. No basement

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Weber polynomials

2016-03-05 Thread William Stein
Relevant: Sage has a Weber class polynomial database that David Kohel wrote: https://www.math.aau.at/user/cheuberg/sage/doc/6.10.beta3/en/reference/databases/sage/databases/db_class_polynomials.html#sage.databases.db_class_polynomials.ClassPolynomialDatabase william On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 5

[sage-devel] gap interface bug

2016-03-03 Thread William Stein
Doing this produces no output: %gap # for loop for i in [1..10] do if IsPrime(i) then Print(i," prime\n"); else Print(i," not prime\n"); fi; od; but doing gap._eval_using_file_cutoff = 10 then the above works fine. (See https://cloud.sagemath.com/projects/4a5f0542-5873-4eed-a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: subs deprecation -- what the heck?!

2016-03-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Nils Bruin wrote: > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 5:23:36 PM UTC-8, kcrisman wrote: >> >> If I recall correctly, Jason Grout's example for this is >> >> x+y-y >> >> which becomes x but in principle had two variables, so how do you know >> which one is "right"? > > >

[sage-devel] Re: subs deprecation -- what the heck?!

2016-03-01 Thread William Stein
On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2016-03-01 14:25, William Stein wrote: > >> And there is a big warning message that many new users see. >> > > For good reasons, since using function-call syntax will bite you sooner or > later. I think it'

Re: [sage-devel] Re: subs deprecation -- what the heck?!

2016-03-01 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 02/29/2016 06:34 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> So we deprecated this 7 years ago? Yikes. Also, that patch is 1.2MB, >> so it probably mentions everything. >> >> Maybe we should finally really depre

Re: [sage-devel] Re: subs deprecation -- what the heck?!

2016-02-29 Thread William Stein
Thanks to Andrzej and John for the clarification. I thought a lot about this before emailing sage-devel, yet still didn't realize it was "y(3)" that caused the problem. Thanks for the help. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:11 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: >> (1) trac #5930 hasn't been touched in *7 year

[sage-devel] subs deprecation -- what the heck?!

2016-02-29 Thread William Stein
Hi, Somebody doing differential equations sent me this code, which you can run in a fresh sage-6.9 session: var('x,y') y= function('y')(x) eqn = diff(x^2+y^2==25,x) sol0 = solve(eqn, diff(y,x)) sol1 = sol0[0].subs({x:3}) sol1.subs({y(3):4}) The *last line* outputs: D[0](y)(3) == (-3/4) Dep

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Project (Nathann Cohen)

2016-02-29 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Erik Bray wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:54 PM, William Stein wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:44 AM, parisse >>> That's probably the reason why Maple, >>> Mathematica and Matlab are commercial softwares: people doin

Re: [sage-devel] Should the 2015 Spies Prize be accorded to Nathann Cohen?

2016-02-27 Thread William Stein
gt;> So no point in continuing this discussion. It would be like trying to >> give a Fields medal to Perelman. >> > > Well, it's not about the money. He can refuse the money, but still be the > person selected to get the prize. > By "this" he means the p

Re: [sage-devel] Should the 2015 Spies Prize be accorded to Nathann Cohen?

2016-02-26 Thread William Stein
Lest this thread goes any further, Nathann wrote to me offlist: "There is no way on earth that I will accept this." So no point in continuing this discussion. It would be like trying to give a Fields medal to Perelman. On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Fri,

Re: [sage-devel] Should the 2015 Spies Prize be accorded to Nathann Cohen?

2016-02-26 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Sébastien Labbé wrote: > Deaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaear sage-devel, > > I would like to give the 2015 Spies Prize to Nathann Cohen as he is one of > the main contributor of Sage in the last ~7 years that has still not > received the Spies Prize. Nathann has been involved i

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Project (Nathann Cohen)

2016-02-26 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 11:24 AM, parisse wrote: > >> > But as I understand your messages about SMC, SMC is much more agnostic >> > than >> > sage, it's more about providing users easy access to opensource math >> > software/languages, and also a hosting service and collaboration >> > platform. I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Project (Nathann Cohen)

2016-02-26 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: > Note that so far, I'm trying to figure this all out by talking with > almost everybody and I am quite eager to read his answer to [4]. I've said everything I have to say for now. -- William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You receive

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Project (Nathann Cohen)

2016-02-26 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM, parisse wrote: > > > Le vendredi 26 février 2016 16:54:54 UTC+1, William a écrit : >> >> >> Just to clarify (and make things easier), the mission statement, and >> indeed Sage itself, is about the *entire ecosystem* of open source >> math software, including your s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Project (Nathann Cohen)

2016-02-26 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:28 AM, Francesco Biscani wrote: > I think your points are very important. Competing with a commercial CAS (or > with any commercial software really) is much more about boring aspects of > software development rather than exciting ones. In my experience the FLOSS > communi

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Project (Nathann Cohen)

2016-02-26 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:44 AM, parisse wrote: > Regarding the mission statement, I'm a little bit skeptic one can build a > viable alternative to Magma on one side and Maple, Mathematica, Matlab on > the other side. Magma is a very specialized software that is probably > unknown to most mathemat

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Project (Nathann Cohen)

2016-02-26 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Andrew wrote: > [...] Moreover, William has added that any income generated by the > company will be used to fund further development. I'm happy with that. Technically, I cannot guarantee that all income generated by the company will be used to fund further develo

[sage-devel] The Sage Project (Nathann Cohen)

2016-02-25 Thread William Stein
Dear Sage Developers, I spent 2004 starting the SageMath project, and in 2005, choose the name "SAGE" (=Software for Arithmetic Geometry Experimentation) inspired by my wife's Navajo traditions that involve burning sage. I bought the sagemath.org and sagemath.com domain names shortly thereafter,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Blog post: "If you were new faculty, would you start something like SageMathCloud sooner?"

2016-02-25 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Martin Vahi wrote: > > I guess that my main contribution to this thread is the saying that I've > noticed somewhat similar issues already in year 2014. Here's my blog post > from 2014: > > http://martin.softf1.com/g/yellow_soap_opera_blog/about-software-development

[sage-devel] Blog post: "If you were new faculty, would you start something like SageMathCloud sooner?"

2016-02-24 Thread William Stein
http://sagemath.blogspot.com/2016/02/if-you-were-new-faculty-member-again.html -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sag

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Eric Gourgoulhon wrote: > Hi, > > Le mardi 23 février 2016 16:39:20 UTC+1, William a écrit : >> >> >> It seems to me that >> >> sage: x = var('x') >> sage: bool(x!=infinity) >> False >> >> *is* a newly introduced bug. I can't understand how the above >> behavior c

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Clemens Heuberger wrote: > On 2016-02-23 16:57, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2016-02-23 15:50, Clemens Heuberger wrote: >>> It is also impossible to compile Sage 6.5 nowadays >> >> I assume this was a build from git? That's indeed not supported. A real >> build-from

Re: [sage-devel] Reproducability of results

2016-02-23 Thread William Stein
-- >> Betreff: [sage-devel] tests related to papers and books >> Datum: Thu, 8 May 2014 15:38:10 -0700 >> Von: William Stein >> Antwort an: sage-devel@googlegroups.com >> An: sage-devel >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm at a reproducible research workshop

[sage-devel] promotional video

2016-02-22 Thread William Stein
We made a SageMath promotional video this weekend https://youtu.be/AEKOjac9obk -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

Re: [sage-devel] Sage problem with "no more variables available"

2016-02-17 Thread William Stein
As a workaround you could use the @fork (or even @parallel) decorators. William On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:51 AM, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: > I must admit I'm getting the same issue and am investigating this when I > have spare time. > It might be an internal PARI issue eating up all its variables

Re: [sage-devel] google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

2016-02-16 Thread William Stein
For what it's worth I forwarded this to a hyper plane expert (my undergrad adviser from long ago) and he says "Cool, thanks. I hope all is well. There is an arrangements package for Macaulay2 now, in case you weren’t already aware. " On Tuesday, February 16, 2016, mmarco wrote: > The first refer

Re: [sage-devel] An Arabic translation of "A Tour of Sage"

2016-02-15 Thread William Stein
Hi, Another really good thing you could translate is the quickrefs: https://wiki.sagemath.org/quickref There are many languages but not arabic. It's all latex... Another thing you could translate is this flyer: https://cloud.sagemath.com/e0324a25-7558-47d8-aa65-0eb87b8c74fd/raw/design/2

Re: [sage-devel] Ultimatum: sage's trac and wiki

2016-02-15 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 2:50 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Thierry > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 05:42:55PM -0800, William Stein wrote: >>> Hi Sage Developers, >>> >>> Can somebo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

2016-02-15 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> NetworkX is a standard package in Sage, so everything in NetworkX is in Sage. > > Sigh Moreover, what matters to me is the open source ecosystem, not just Sage. My goal is (as it has been for a decade) to make the open source ecosyst

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

2016-02-15 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> combinatorial geometry. Unfortunately I don't know enough about graph theory >> to say how Sage compares with any other CAS, but I would think we compare >> quite well. Nathann? > > I've got no idea. I never used the graph theory library of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

2016-02-14 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: > > > On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 5:32:34 PM UTC-6, William wrote: >> >> There's a big reddit discussion in which a lot of people say >> not-so-nice things about Sage: >> >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/45q7j1/sagemath_open

[sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

2016-02-14 Thread William Stein
There's a big reddit discussion in which a lot of people say not-so-nice things about Sage: https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/45q7j1/sagemath_open_source_is_now_ready_to_compete_with/ "Enjoy", -- William On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 7:40 PM, William Stein

[sage-devel] sage on hacker news right now...

2016-02-13 Thread William Stein
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Ultimatum: sage's trac and wiki

2016-02-12 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > Hi William, > I have already volunteered; Thierry set me up accounts on trac and wiki > hosts, but I (still) lack sudo rights. Dima -- excellent -- I've added you to the Google Compute Engine project. I'll send you another email offlist.

[sage-devel] Ultimatum: sage's trac and wiki

2016-02-11 Thread William Stein
Hi Sage Developers, Can somebody *PLEASE* volunteer to move trac.sagemath.org and wiki.sagemath.org to a VM on GCE and maintain it for a while? I've setup a complete Google compute engine project specifically for this and I'll pay for this indefinitely. The project has a machine on it with ssh k

Re: [sage-devel] Re: interrupt.pyx on PyPi?

2016-02-06 Thread William Stein
Hi, Ondrej Certik asks "Any chance to BSD license it [signal.pyx]?" I wrote the first version of the code and would be for that. It's core infrastructure and if we BSD it, then the chances it'll get used widely and be better quality go up.So I'm +1. I think we would mainly need Jereon Deme

Re: [sage-devel] is_prime failing silently

2016-02-05 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:50 AM, David Wong wrote: > prime_number = bignumber / 2 > is_prime(prime_number) # -> False > > prime_number = bignumber // 2 > is_prime(prime_number) # -> True > > prime_number = ZZ(bignumber / 2) > is_prime(prime_number) # -> True > > > I've spent a couple of days arguin

Re: [sage-devel] is_prime failing silently

2016-02-05 Thread William Stein
> > On 5 février 2016 19:59:53 HNEC, William Stein wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 5, 2016, David Roe wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Vincent Delecroix >>> <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> w

Re: [sage-devel] is_prime failing silently

2016-02-05 Thread William Stein
On Friday, February 5, 2016, David Roe wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Vincent Delecroix < > 20100.delecr...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Indeed, the definition given in the documentation of "is_prime" does not >> coincide with what the method is doing. >> >> The mathematic

Re: [sage-devel] Re: cannot post comments on trac #19984

2016-02-03 Thread William Stein
So far only you and Thierry have stepped up. If you send Thierry (s...@lma.metelu.net) your public key, he can make an account for you on wiki.sagemath.org and trac.sagemath.org. On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > I would like to volunteer, although I don't know much about

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can anyone provide access to recent Intel or AMD machines?

2016-02-02 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 2:17 AM, Bill Hart wrote: > I have a paid SMC account, but only the cheapo option. Not sure if that's > relevant. > Your cheapo SMC subscription provides network access upgrades for *20* projects. -- William > > On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 11:07:43 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can anyone provide access to recent Intel or AMD machines?

2016-02-02 Thread William Stein
> At present I'm not able to wget or git clone anything from my account on > there anyway. So I will probably not try to use SMC for that. It's not Network access is blocked for projects by default. Go to project settings and click "Adjust quotas", then click the checkbox next to Network. (Backg

Re: [sage-devel] Re: cannot post comments on trac #19984

2016-02-02 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Monday, 1 February 2016 20:43:40 UTC, Volker Braun wrote: >> >> Something broke already before you pressed submit, the next-to-last >> preview already timed out Still looks more like a network issue, perhaps >> a wonky UW firewall?

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can anyone provide access to recent Intel or AMD machines?

2016-02-01 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > Are Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU @ 2.30GHz interesting for you? > (That's what one gets on SMC. We have some SMC licenses here bought for ODK) > No idea if one could get something better there, but you could ask William. It's a Virtual Machine, so m

[sage-devel] Fwd: Macaulay2 Conference Announcement

2016-01-29 Thread William Stein
I'm forwarding this here, since there could be Sage Developers who would want to go to a "Macaulay2 Days" -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel R. Grayson Date: Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Macaulay2 Conference Announcement To: -- Forwarded message

Re: [sage-devel] upgrade openssl

2016-01-28 Thread William Stein
Of related interest, Jupyter will maybe soon not *require* openssl to work locally. See https://github.com/jupyter/notebook/issues/1019 On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:42 AM, kcrisman wrote: > In some correspondence with William he notes: > > I'll also note there is a "high severity" security updat

Re: [sage-devel] Hacker news thread about math software ("Announcing Wolfram Programming Lab")

2016-01-28 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Thierry wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:39:06AM -0800, William Stein wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Francesco Biscani >> wrote: >> > I am not a Mathematica user, so I cannot really comment

Re: [sage-devel] Hacker news thread about math software ("Announcing Wolfram Programming Lab")

2016-01-28 Thread William Stein
>>> >>> It's somewhat refreshing to see that the idea that one should not use >>> black box software in science is finally starting to sink in. >>> >>> On 20 January 2016 at 13:30, William Stein wrote: >>>> >>>> There'

Re: [sage-devel] Jupyter notebook by default?

2016-01-26 Thread William Stein
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, kcrisman wrote: > > >> >> For what it is worth, SageMathCloud has a buttons/lists, etc. for >> editing markdown in Sage worksheets, and also a realtime preview >> markdown editor for md files. Two screenshots attached. I also fully >> implemented a realtime WYSIWYG

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Hm, seemingly wrong bracketing works anyway?

2016-01-26 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Eric Gourgoulhon wrote: > Quite surprising! > Indeed, one has > > sage: preparse("[1..len(a])") > '(ellipsis_range(Integer(1),Ellipsis,len(a)))' > > So the culprit seems to be sage preparser. The preparser barely "parses" -- it just does some transformations befo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Developing in general

2016-01-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> Examples of not "getting" code review from this thread: >> * At review of some small addition we start a general discussions about what >> Poset should do and then everybody votes on that >> * Dislike of change/design pattern/author/..., hen

Re: [sage-devel] Re: https on the wiki

2016-01-24 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, mmarco wrote: > I have added https support for the wiki page, with a certificate signed by > letsnecrypt. The http version redirects to the https version. Thank you! > > It is possible that your browser might complain about insecure elements in > the page. That i

Re: [sage-devel] https on the wiki

2016-01-21 Thread William Stein
aybe creating the GCE project and giving access to the current VM, so people can copy the data/config out. William > > Ciao, > Thierry > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:35:15AM -0800, William Stein wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Samuel Lelie

Re: [sage-devel] Re: gamma function enhancement proposal

2016-01-21 Thread William Stein
Hi Buck, I asked Mike Rubinstein, who has implemented the incomplete Gamma function in various situations (e.g., I think he did the first ever open source implementation that was general enough for me to use for my research), written papers mentioning issues, etc., what he thinks, and here's his r

Re: [sage-devel] https on the wiki

2016-01-21 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Samuel Lelievre wrote: > +1 to letsencrypt, which was already discussed in this sage-devel discussion > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sage-devel/l9zS4IPioPE/discussion > > related link > https://vincent.composieux.fr/article/install-configure-and-automatically-

Re: [sage-devel] Re: gamma function enhancement proposal

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Nils Bruin wrote: > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 9:25:59 PM UTC-8, Buck Evan wrote: >> >> I've written up a proposal in this google document, and set it to be >> globally readable, commentable. >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zEzIz0TCgC1aEKCQmHQk

Re: [sage-devel] GF(16,'x') when we do not care about the 'x'

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:20 PM, William Stein wrote: > Nils -- many thanks for your post explaining the longterm perspective > and underlying reasons why things are the way they are. > > I mentioned this thread in my class today, which happened to be on > constructing finite

Re: [sage-devel] Re: ring creation involved in coercion

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Indeed, that is very nice, and it's hard to imagine something simpler. >> Great job people who designed this (Robert Bradshaw et al.)! > > > For completeness, this feature with _pushout_ method was introduced

Re: [sage-devel] Re: ring creation involved in coercion

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry... I found out! We can implement a _pushout_ in the parent. Very > simple. Sorry for the noise. For completeness (when somebody finds this via a search) if you follow the trac ticket, you'll see the nice

Re: [sage-devel] https on the wiki

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
a static dump of the site which would be hosted as part of www.sagemath.org, then start fresh with github (maybe copy over a few key things that get used a lot, e.g., upcoming sage days and maybe the interacts). -- William On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:58 AM, William Stein wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 20

Re: [sage-devel] https on the wiki

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:21 AM, mmarco wrote: > Since wiki.sagemath.org requires login for editing (that is, sending the > password through the internet)... ¿shouldn't that be done through https? Yes. > On a related note, the certificate for trac.sagemath.org that I am getting > is expired, and

Re: [sage-devel] Should a // b really be the same as a / b in fields?

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > So we have never kept with the Python semantics for > division. Not that Python has rationals out of the box anyways. Whatever > implementation we chose, people will trip over that. > The only thing more > confusing than having two different b

Re: [sage-devel] Should a // b really be the same as a / b in fields?

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
When lurking and reading this thread, I keep being reminded of Justin Walker's remarks that a "principle of least surprise" can be useful in such design decisions. In this particular case, there's two things that argue for what Jeroen suggests: - If you have integers a and b, and write a//b th

[sage-devel] Hacker news thread about math software ("Announcing Wolfram Programming Lab")

2016-01-20 Thread William Stein
There's a big thread on Hacker News about math software in which Sage is mentioned a few times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10934666 I have the impression very few of the comments are from mathematicians... Nonetheless, some people may find the comments interesting, since they refle

Re: [sage-devel] How can I know if Jupyter is running?

2016-01-16 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: > To adapt to the soon-to-be-default Jupyter notebook in Sage, I’m updating the > Mac app to launch either SageNB or Jupyter depending on a preference. > Unfortunately, I can’t figure out how to determine if Jupyter is already > running at al

Re: [sage-devel] forked ppl interface

2016-01-16 Thread William Stein
Awesome example!! On Saturday, January 16, 2016, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > For information. I just succeeded in making the interface to PPL as a > standalone Python package ([1] and [2]). Hopefully there was not much work > needed! It is currently mostly a

Re: [sage-devel] ask.sagemath.org down?

2016-01-16 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 8:39 AM, John H Palmieri wrote: > It looks like ask.sagemath.org is down, and has been for several days. (Or > is it just me?) If it's not just me, can someone restart it? It's just you: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://ask.sagemath.org > > -- > John > >

Re: [sage-devel] incremental migration to github?

2016-01-15 Thread William Stein
On Friday, January 15, 2016, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2016-01-15 16:00, William Stein wrote: > >> Why Python moved to github: >> >> >> http://www.snarky.ca/the-history-behind-the-decision-to-move-python-to-github >> < >> http://www.snarky.ca/the-

Re: [sage-devel] incremental migration to github?

2016-01-15 Thread William Stein
Why Python moved to github: http://www.snarky.ca/the-history-behind-the-decision-to-move-python-to-github <http://www.snarky.ca/the-history-behind-the-decision-to-move-python-to-github#toc_3> On Monday, January 11, 2016, William Stein wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Vol

Re: [sage-devel] Re: "Möbius": to 'mobius' or to 'moebius'?

2016-01-14 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Thursday, 14 January 2016 15:10:46 UTC, Jori Mäntysalo wrote: >> >> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016, kcrisman wrote: >> >> > I think that umlauts are definitely not the way to go with something >> > designed for the whole world. >> >> As I said,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: incremental migration to github?

2016-01-11 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 8:20:45 PM UTC+1, William wrote: >> >> Following up on this, that we don't fully support people doing >> development for Sage by creating independent pip-installable packages > > > Where is the problem, I did th

Re: [sage-devel] Re: incremental migration to github?

2016-01-11 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:52 AM, William Stein wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, kcrisman wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> But if you want to use the github issue tracker then that wouldn't work as >>> easily. I don't think we even can im

Re: [sage-devel] Re: incremental migration to github?

2016-01-11 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, kcrisman wrote: > >> >> >> But if you want to use the github issue tracker then that wouldn't work as >> easily. I don't think we even can import our current trac database, not to >> mention that some fields (e.g. Reviewer) are missing. >> > > There's also the non

Re: [sage-devel] incremental migration to github?

2016-01-11 Thread William Stein
Hi, For what it is worth I'm highly supportive of Sage development moving to github. However, I think the release manager should be completely 100% in charge of where Sage dev happens. It's much more important that we have a solid process for doing sage releases than anything else. Robert Brad

Re: [sage-devel] Notebooks from admin viewpoint

2016-01-09 Thread William Stein
On Friday, January 8, 2016, Jori Mäntysalo wrote: > I am basically just a sysadmin. > > For normal users and normal processes I can for example userdel -r to > totally remove a user and files of him/her. Or use top or ps to see who is > eating memory or burning cpu. Or even put on some ulimits to

Re: [sage-devel] is_constant in the SymbolicRing

2016-01-08 Thread William Stein
Is the function used anywhere else in sage? On Friday, January 8, 2016, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > A confusing name not in the global namespace isn't much better. How > about a > > rename that is clearer? Ideas > > Unless you mean the function to be called by the users, in which case > the name

Re: [sage-devel] is_constant in the SymbolicRing

2016-01-08 Thread William Stein
On Friday, January 8, 2016, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > That would still expose the method in the namespace. Having "2" or > "log(2)" not being symbolic constant is confusing! I would definitely > prefer an "_is_symbolic_constant". A confusing name not in the global na

Re: [sage-devel] sage octave interface

2016-01-06 Thread William Stein
On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 06/01/16 16:52, William Stein wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Vincent Delecroix < >> 20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 06/01/16 16:23, Bill Page

Re: [sage-devel] sage octave interface

2016-01-06 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Vincent Delecroix < 20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 06/01/16 16:23, Bill Page wrote: > >> On 6 January 2016 at 13:12, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Why making it a python package?! >>> >> >> Yes, that is a very good question.

Re: [sage-devel] sage octave interface

2016-01-06 Thread William Stein
sage2="syntax error"; > > > > (this is just a string containing syntax error) > > > > Yes. I am not sure what is the best way to determine that Octave has > returned an error message rather than a result. Maybe looking for > > >>> > > would

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Jupyter notebook by default?

2016-01-05 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > (cross-posting to ipython-dev) > > Jon, > > At the recent San Francisco meetings, we talked about this. What do you > think about: > > 1. keeping track of the size of the io messages sent from any specific > kernel execution > 2. When the tot

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage booth

2016-01-05 Thread William Stein
ou want access?I've made the file public so that anybody can read it now, at least. Here's the current schedule. Note that on Friday, we will have: - 12:30-4: DESPERATELY NEED SOMEBODY!! and if nobody steps up, I'm going to have to shut down the booth for half of Frid

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Jupyter notebook by default?

2016-01-05 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > I'd also be more than happy to ship the personal SMC edition with sage when > its ready; But sticking with the essentially unsupported SageNB for 1+years > just to wait&see is not a sane plan. Even then, jupyter notebooks are a > forward-safe c

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage booth

2016-01-05 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 7:39 AM, aly.dei...@gmail.com wrote: > I'll be around. Is there any sort of formal sign up sheet? Yep, here https://cloud.sagemath.com/projects/245a2e18-a0a4-4104-b31d-0c9ced802a69/files/schedule/sage-booth.md > > Aly > > > On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 4:06:25 P

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Jupyter notebook by default?

2016-01-05 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:57 AM, kcrisman wrote: > The question wasn't for you, but for all those who early in this thread said > how awesome Jupyter was. But thank you for confirming. Some people tend to use/develop either Jupyter or SageMath notebooks exclusively, and remain a little ignorant o

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