Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-13 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello, Another functionality that rarely works is the gap_group arg: sage: PermutationGroup(gap_group=gap.SymmetricGroup(4)) Permutation Group with generators [(1,2), (1,2,3,4)] sage: PermutationGroup(gap_group=gap.DihedralGroup(4)) #Boom! If you feel like fixing it in Sage, it looks

[sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread kcrisman
On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 5:22:12 AM UTC-5, Nathann Cohen wrote: Hello everybody ! The constructions document is meant to answer some questions along the line 'How do I construct ... in Sage?' http://www.sagemath.org/doc/constructions/index.html In principle, this document

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread Nathann Cohen
The best outcome would be to have a true how do I do *** in Sage document that keeps being updated; A small remark: in combinatorial designs and graphs the anser to How do I build *** is rather well answered by graphs.tab, digraphs.tab, designs.tab. It gives a nice entry point for the functions

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 5:22:12 AM UTC-5, Nathann Cohen wrote: Hello everybody ! The constructions document is meant to answer some questions along the line 'How do I construct ... in Sage?'

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread kcrisman
A small remark: in combinatorial designs and graphs the anser to How do I build *** is rather well answered by graphs.tab, digraphs.tab, designs.tab. It gives a nice entry point for the functions that build something, and from there the classes/functions doc is sufficient in our case.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: The best outcome would be to have a true how do I do *** in Sage document that keeps being updated; A small remark: in combinatorial designs and graphs the anser to How do I build *** is rather well answered by

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread David Joyner
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:08 AM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: The best outcome would be to have a true how do I do *** in Sage document that keeps being updated; A small remark: in combinatorial

[sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread Simon King
On 2015-01-12, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: I don't even know if there any group theorists at all that use Sage... Lots of *users* of group theory use Sage, though. My impression is that group theorists use GAP but not necessarily Sage. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread Vincent Delecroix
2015-01-12 16:08 UTC+01:00, William Stein wst...@gmail.com: By the way, yesterday at the Sage booth at the Joint Math meetings somebody walked up and said, can you use Sage to enumerate the groups of order 16? For a group theorist, this is a very natural basic question. I tried

[sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread kcrisman
Lots of *users* of group theory use Sage, though. My impression is that group theorists use GAP but not necessarily Sage. I don't count group theorists as users of group theory (or at least, not only). My point was this is useful even if all group theorists use GAP only; lots of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread kcrisman
You are assuming that the only target audience of the constructions guide is a person actively using an interactive Sage session, but that is not the only target audience. Google searches, especially from people who might have never heard of Sage, are a big target audience for the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread Nathann Cohen
Interesting. A lot of this should go in the Tutorial or FAQ, I think. Okay. I will write a patch for that, but I will wait before the other patches are reviewed as I worry about conflicts. Many things are being rewritten and moved around in all directions. Nathann -- You received this

[sage-devel] Re: What is Interface Issues doing in the Constructions document ?

2015-01-12 Thread Simon King
Hi! On 2015-01-12, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote: Depends on the group: ... The simplest explanation would be to use the small groups database which can be installed into Sage, but it is not open-source licensed. For example: sage: