[sage-combinat-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread Jason Bandlow
(cc'ing the sage-combinat folks who may not have seen this) Robert Bradshaw wrote: On this note: http://sage.math.washington.edu:21100/ticket/ It has some heuristics, but it's far from perfect. As people learn the conventions of the buildbot, and the buildbot learns the conventions of

[sage-devel] Re: When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-03 Thread Johan S. R. Nielsen
On the topic of verifying tests, I think internal consistency checks are much better, both pedagogically and for verifiability, than external checks against other (perhaps inaccessible) systems. For example, the statement above that checks a power series against its definition and properties,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread David Roe
That's awesome. This will make me far more likely to review tickets. David On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 04:08, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.eduwrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:00 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree. And with quick, automated feedback they can go

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-03 Thread John Cremona
Wow, that question got people interested! Checking a few books myself I was struck by how many advanced texts avoid using the term at all (for the adjugate or classical adjoint). P M Cohn's Algebra 1 defines adjugate (p.196). Maclana and Birkhoff (p.194) call it the classical adjoint.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread David Roe
Here's a suggestion: Make a concise log that's loadable in a browser in a small amount of time (the current log files are too long to be easily readable in Firefox for me). For example: import re def concise_log(long_log_name, concise_log_name): with open(long_log_name) as long_log:

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake/ Are the Sage polytope constructors (too) slow?

2010-12-03 Thread Volker Braun
On Dec 3, 7:47 am, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: You can also develop a Cython interface to cddlib, to get Sage on par with Polymake in this regard. I don't think this is a particularly useful project. The cddlib API is, by today's standards, not very well designed. No automatic

[sage-devel] graph theory: inconsistent behaviour in G.allow_loops(False)

2010-12-03 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, I noticed the following inconsistent behaviour while working on ticket #8395 [1]. Given a multigraph G with one self-loop at vertex v, disable loops in G and query the degree of v. This should report the correct degree: sage: version() 'Sage Version 4.6, Release Date: 2010-10-30' sage:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Using Intel MKL

2010-12-03 Thread Mag Gam
It would be interesting to compare Intel MKL vs. AMD ACML vs. threaded ATLAS. what is the best way to do this? Is there a program or code I can test? I too think this is interesting. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Mag Gam magaw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I will monitor this ticket an starting

Re: [sage-devel] graph theory: inconsistent behaviour in G.allow_loops(False)

2010-12-03 Thread Robert Miller
Here's what is going on: There are two arrays, in_degree and out_degree, which count the number of arcs coming in and going out, respectively. Then the degree of a vertex is the sum of these things if you don't worry about loops. If a graph is not directed, then the degrees are doubled, since

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake/ Are the Sage polytope constructors (too) slow?

2010-12-03 Thread mhampton
On Dec 2, 8:52 am, jplab jeanphilippela...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a student currently at Techniche Universität Berlin, so Polymake is quite the most popular software when dealing with polytopes as it was created here some years ago. I went through the threads about Polymake in Sage-devel...

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake/ Are the Sage polytope constructors (too) slow?

2010-12-03 Thread Volker Braun
For the record, Polymake switched to jReality (http://www3.math.tu- berlin.de/jreality) for its 3d graphics recently. So, apart from nauty, which probably isn't that crucial to Polymake, I think its all GPL now. I saw a few glimpses of the jReality GUI and it looks really nice! Volker -- To

[sage-devel] pari bugfixes

2010-12-03 Thread Marco Streng
How often will / should pari be updated within sage? I encountered a bug in pari 2.4.3 (alpha) while working on a sage ticket. I reported it to pari, and they fixed it the same day. But then it takes some time for this fix to reach sage, or we could update sage with bug fixes immediately. I

Re: [sage-devel] pari bugfixes

2010-12-03 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Marco Streng marco.str...@gmail.com wrote: How often will / should pari be updated within sage? I encountered a bug in pari 2.4.3 (alpha) while working on a sage ticket. I reported it to pari, and they fixed it the same day. This is the case for every bug I've

Re: [sage-devel] graph theory: inconsistent behaviour in G.allow_loops(False)

2010-12-03 Thread Robert Miller
Minh, I've fixed the problem and I'll post a patch once I finish testing it... -- Robert L. Miller http://www.rlmiller.org/ -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For

[sage-devel] Re: Could you please clarify terms of use for WolframAlpha

2010-12-03 Thread rjf
On Dec 2, 7:37 pm, Tom Boothby tomas.boot...@gmail.com wrote: Query: why would we use wolfram alpha, when (for example) the University of Washington has a site license for mathematica? Oddly enough, I agree with Tom. RJF -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:05 AM, David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu wrote: import re def concise_log(long_log_name, concise_log_name):     with open(long_log_name) as long_log:     log = long_log.read()     p = The following tests

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu wrote: That's awesome.  This will make me far more likely to review tickets. Me too. And I hope for many others out there. We've needed something like this for a long time. - Robert -- To post to this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread kcrisman
On Dec 3, 11:37 am, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu wrote: That's awesome.  This will make me far more likely to review tickets. Me too. And I hope for many others out there. We've needed something like

[sage-devel] Re: Could you please clarify terms of use for WolframAlpha

2010-12-03 Thread rjf
On Dec 1, 6:40 pm, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: (In a letter apparently addressed to WRI and posted here...).. ... To save any further discussions on the Sage developers list about whether the use of WolframAlpha in the way I explained would be permissible, could you please

[sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread Niles
A couple of the patches I've been working on are failing the new automatic testing because some ticket attachments are being applied that shouldn't be -- is there a way to fix this myself without becoming a trac administrator? For example: http://sage.math.washington.edu:21100/ticket/1956/ The

[sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread luisfe
On Dec 3, 7:54 pm, Niles nil...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of the patches I've been working on are failing the new automatic testing because some ticket attachments are being applied that shouldn't be -- is there a way to fix this myself without becoming a trac administrator? +1 to this, that

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:14 AM, luisfe lftab...@yahoo.es wrote: On Dec 3, 7:54 pm, Niles nil...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of the patches I've been working on are failing the new automatic testing because some ticket attachments are being applied that shouldn't be -- is there a way to fix

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:14 AM, luisfe lftab...@yahoo.es wrote: On Dec 3, 7:54 pm, Niles nil...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of the patches I've been working on are failing the new automatic testing because

[sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread Jason Bandlow
(cc'ing the sage-combinat folks who may not have seen this) Robert Bradshaw wrote: On this note: http://sage.math.washington.edu:21100/ticket/ It has some heuristics, but it's far from perfect. As people learn the conventions of the buildbot, and the buildbot learns the conventions of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-03 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Jason Bandlow jband...@gmail.com wrote: (cc'ing the sage-combinat folks who may not have seen this) Robert Bradshaw wrote: On this note: http://sage.math.washington.edu:21100/ticket/ It has some heuristics, but it's far from perfect. As people learn the

Re: [sage-devel] When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-03 Thread William Stein
On Friday, December 3, 2010, Johan S. R. Nielsen j.s.r.niel...@mat.dtu.dk wrote: On the topic of verifying tests, I think internal consistency checks are much better, both pedagogically and for verifiability, than external checks against other (perhaps inaccessible) systems. For example, the

[sage-devel] Re: Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-03 Thread Jason Grout
On 12/3/10 1:05 AM, Rob Beezer wrote: On Dec 2, 10:55 pm, Dima Pasechnikdimp...@gmail.com wrote: But for conjugate transpose one can just introduce operator ^*, as usually the conjugate transpose of $A$ is denoted by $A^*$. Accepted notation is another can of worms. Conjugate-transpose can

Re: [sage-devel] When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-03 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:40 PM, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: On 2 December 2010 18:20, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On the topic of verifying tests, I think internal consistency checks are much better, both pedagogically and for verifiability, than