Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Hello Bill, I have to admit that answering your mail is more satisfying that answering others. I started this thread to promote a needs_review ticket (Eric Gourgoulhon went there since), but the thread became a collection of attacks from people that cannot hear simple things like "William makes

Re: [sage-devel] An Arabic translation of "A Tour of Sage"

Hi, Another really good thing you could translate is the quickrefs: https://wiki.sagemath.org/quickref There are many languages but not arabic. It's all latex... Another thing you could translate is this flyer:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Nathan, you started this thread with words like, "help william earn more $$ than he has now ". You are making a claim here, that William is personally making money for himself from Sage. If you make the claim, it is up to you to prove the claim. So, what is your evidence that William is

Re: [sage-devel] Ultimatum: sage's trac and wiki

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 2:50 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Thierry > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 05:42:55PM -0800, William Stein wrote: >>> Hi Sage Developers, >>> >>> Can somebody *PLEASE*

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> NetworkX is a standard package in Sage, so everything in NetworkX is in Sage. > > Sigh Moreover, what matters to me is the open source ecosystem, not just Sage. My goal is (as it has been for a decade) to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

> NetworkX is a standard package in Sage, so everything in NetworkX is in Sage. Sigh Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> combinatorial geometry. Unfortunately I don't know enough about graph theory >> to say how Sage compares with any other CAS, but I would think we compare >> quite well. Nathann? > > I've got no idea. I never used

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 1:43:02 AM UTC-6, Ralf Stephan wrote: > > On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 1:11:18 AM UTC+1, William wrote: >> >> Combinatorics is definitely the strongest part of Sage. > > > Old school combinatorics perhaps. But see >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> I did not say *you*. I said *everybody*. I forgot to add *apart from few > lucky bastards*. I can't believe that I am the one to tell you that you don't know when to stop. Let's give up, Dima. Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel"

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:41:55 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > Wrong example. There is no such thing like a brothel subscription in > this > > case, for if you walk to the "brothel" called Sagemath, it would be > totally > > free. > > Indeed. In the present situation it would be

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:31:26 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > >> In the long run, I don't see how SMC will make me "more secure > >> financially". > > > > You? Is it the only person you care about? > > What the hell man. You tell *me* that I would benefit financially in > the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> Wrong example. There is no such thing like a brothel subscription in this > case, for if you walk to the "brothel" called Sagemath, it would be totally > free. Indeed. In the present situation it would be the "Free ladies for any paying ride". > Nonsense. A taxi saying Louvre on it merely

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

Yo, > combinatorial geometry. Unfortunately I don't know enough about graph theory > to say how Sage compares with any other CAS, but I would think we compare > quite well. Nathann? I've got no idea. I never used the graph theory library of any other CAS, and the independent graph libraries I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:16:34 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > Anyhow, if a taxi driver takes you to a brothel it does not mean that he > > sells sex. All he sells are rides. > > Unless he camps the airport with a sign reading "Special brothel deal: > free rides for any 1-year

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

> > Combinatorics is definitely the strongest part of Sage. > > > Old school combinatorics perhaps. But see > http://unsexy-science.blogspot.de/2015/10/survey-sage-and-enumerative.html > We also have strong support for algebraic combinatorics with symmetric functions and its well-known/studied

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

>> In the long run, I don't see how SMC will make me "more secure >> financially". > > You? Is it the only person you care about? What the hell man. You tell *me* that I would benefit financially in the long run. I merely asked what you meant. That's all that happened. Nathann -- You received

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:09:31 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > You asked how people benefit financially from the success of Sage. > > And I am telling you that you yourself are a jolly good example of such > > person. > > Admit this and stop posting these meaningless flamebites.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> Anyhow, if a taxi driver takes you to a brothel it does not mean that he > sells sex. All he sells are rides. Unless he camps the airport with a sign reading "Special brothel deal: free rides for any 1-year brothel subscription". SageMathCloud "sells" Sage. Or it wouldn't use 'sagemath.com' as

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 3:30:04 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > Why should SageMath be removed? I can't follow you. > > I tell you that William sells a software, and you say "no he does > not". I agreed with you that technically he does not, he sells a > service. The service being

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> You asked how people benefit financially from the success of Sage. > And I am telling you that you yourself are a jolly good example of such > person. > Admit this and stop posting these meaningless flamebites. "(in the long run improvements to Sage make everyone involved in the project more

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 2:28:34 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > imagine all your software written in some MMa (or even worse, in some > > obscure > > commercial and dead by then system), not in Sage, at the time you > > applied for your current job. Estimate your chances of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Update on memory usage during docbuild

On 2016-02-15 16:28, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: It did seem to go a lot faster than I recall too... My guess is Jeroen from http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/19127. That ticket wasn't meant to make the docbuilding faster. If it did, that's very good. But I cannot really explain why. -- You

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> But that is how open source works. Same applies to, for example, Apache. > > So, what stops me (or William or whoever) doing that? I should integrate my > own modifications to every new version of Sage. After several Sage versions > and many own additions it would propably be quite tricky. So

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> Why should SageMath be removed? I can't follow you. I tell you that William sells a software, and you say "no he does not". I agreed with you that technically he does not, he sells a service. The service being (mostly) to make Sage available easily, I answered that "SMC without Sage does not

[sage-devel] Re: Update on memory usage during docbuild

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 6:08:37 AM UTC-6, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 11:40:29 PM UTC, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: >> >> Hey all, >>Just to note, with 7.1.beta3, I was able to run make doc-clean && make >> doc using less than 6 GB of memory and 8

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Nathann Cohen wrote: I could put up my own company, buy servers, set up Sage and sell accounts. IIRC I could even modify the code and sell accounts to Sage server with some extra functionality. Indeed, you can. And you will also stop contributing to Sage to pursue your

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Nathann Cohen wrote: > Dear SageMath (Inc) employee, Not sure to whom you are talking to, since I'm not an employee of SMI. >> Have you, or haven't you? > > I have absolutely no problem with that. Good, everything is fine. Large

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Dear SageMath (Inc) employee, > As I already wrote you a long time ago a simple to understand fact: by > contributing to GPL licensed software, you somehow must have agreed to the > terms of the GPL software. Have you, or haven't you? I have absolutely no problem with that. > Where is William

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Hi Nathann, your flames are getting boring. As I already wrote you a long time ago a simple to understand fact: by contributing to GPL licensed software, you somehow must have agreed to the terms of the GPL software. Have you, or haven't you? On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 3:32:00 PM UTC+1,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Most importantly, those of you who see no problem in being his free worker and want to help new users seem to have a *lot* of free time to argue on pointless threads, but 19953 it still in needs_review. Nathann On 15 February 2016 at 15:31, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> No,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> No, you get it wrong: the goal of SMC is to make funds available for further > Sage development, and > lower the barrier to use Sage. The goal of Coca Cola is to make drinks that people like. The goal of Apple is to build devices that make it easy for people to use computers. > While the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> imagine all your software written in some MMa (or even worse, in some > obscure > commercial and dead by then system), not in Sage, at the time you > applied for your current job. Estimate your chances of success. ?... So I owe him to work for free for his company ? Nathann -- You received

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 2:09:42 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > Perhaps this is intended as merely flamebait, but I'll bite. Knowing > > William, I doubt that selling the SMC is likely. > > HeyHeyHey it is not a bait, and not even a question. Dima told me that > SMC made everybody

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 2:06:55 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > But is there anything to stop others doing that also? > > No, it is legal. > > > I could put up my own company, buy servers, set up Sage and sell > accounts. > > IIRC I could even modify the code and sell accounts to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> Perhaps this is intended as merely flamebait, but I'll bite. Knowing > William, I doubt that selling the SMC is likely. HeyHeyHey it is not a bait, and not even a question. Dima told me that SMC made everybody more secure financially. Ask him what he meant by that. The only way I see to be more

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 1:55:42 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > surely there are potentially huge, enormous profits to be made from > selling > > a site that > > only runs open-source software, all hosted on github; this must be a > novel > > business model... > > > > it is

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> But is there anything to stop others doing that also? No, it is legal. > I could put up my own company, buy servers, set up Sage and sell accounts. > IIRC I could even modify the code and sell accounts to Sage server with some > extra functionality. Indeed, you can. And you will also stop

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> \begin{flame} >> I cannot help noticing that any Sage improvement potentially makes William >> make more $$$ >> (in the long run improvements to Sage make everyone involved in the project >> more secure financially,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Nathann Cohen wrote: Meanwhile, Williams sells the product of this collective work, for cash. But is there anything to stop others doing that also? I could put up my own company, buy servers, set up Sage and sell accounts. IIRC I could even modify the code and sell

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> surely there are potentially huge, enormous profits to be made from selling > a site that > only runs open-source software, all hosted on github; this must be a novel > business model... > > it is true that SMC just started to break even a month ago, before that > William > was actually burning

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> Being an advanced Sage user or developer is a small plus when applying a job > at university. I am already hired at a university. When I don't work on research I work for Sage, for free. Meanwhile, Williams sells the product of this collective work, for cash. That's all I am saying. And of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 12:35:17 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > \begin{flame} > > I cannot help noticing that any Sage improvement potentially makes > William > > make more $$$ > > (in the long run improvements to Sage make everyone involved in the > project > > more secure

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Nathann Cohen wrote: (in the long run improvements to Sage make everyone involved in the project more secure financially, yourself including, no?) How so ? Do I get a share of William's profits when he sells SMC ? Being an advanced Sage user or developer is a small

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> \begin{flame} > I cannot help noticing that any Sage improvement potentially makes William > make more $$$ > (in the long run improvements to Sage make everyone involved in the project > more secure financially, yourself including, no?) How so ? Do I get a share of William's profits when he

[sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 7:16:01 AM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > This is triggered by the thread about 'not-so-nice' comments about Sage. > > If you want to help william earn more $$ than he has now (by working > for free) or if you want to help Sage be more

[sage-devel] Re: Update on memory usage during docbuild

On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 11:40:29 PM UTC, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: > > Hey all, >Just to note, with 7.1.beta3, I was able to run make doc-clean && make > doc using less than 6 GB of memory and 8 threads. So memory usage for > docbuilding seems to have decreased significantly since

Re: [sage-devel] Ultimatum: sage's trac and wiki

Le 15/02/2016 11:50, Dima Pasechnik a écrit : > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Thierry > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 05:42:55PM -0800, William Stein wrote: >>> Hi Sage Developers, >>> >>> Can somebody *PLEASE* volunteer to move trac.sagemath.org

Re: [sage-devel] Ultimatum: sage's trac and wiki

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Thierry wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 05:42:55PM -0800, William Stein wrote: >> Hi Sage Developers, >> >> Can somebody *PLEASE* volunteer to move trac.sagemath.org and >> wiki.sagemath.org to a VM on GCE and maintain it

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage on hacker news right now...

Le 15/02/2016 08:27, Daniel Krenn a écrit : > On 2016-02-15 06:25, Jori Mäntysalo wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016, William Stein wrote: >> Shall we teach Python in the process of teaching Sage? > > At least, I do in my first year's course. > > D > And one argument for teaching Sage at