[sage-devel] Re: GSoC 2012 Kick-off

2012-03-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Hi, you might also want to work on better integrating CVXOPT into Sage. Currently very little of its functionality is exposed in Sage. (let's move this thread to sage-gsoc, by the way) Dmitrii On Saturday, 17 March 2012 18:32:57 UTC+8, Animesh Garg wrote: Hello Nathann and Team, Greetings

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/16/12 12:22 AM, rjf wrote: IMHO, a native port of Sage to Windows could not be done in a week or two. Perhaps a Cygwin port could, but I'm talking of a native port, where the code runs directly on Windows, without any Linux virtual machines, emulators or similar. I see no reason to

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-18 Thread rjf
On Feb 18, 3:50 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: On 02/16/12 12:22 AM, rjf wrote: IMHO, a native port of Sage to Windows could not be done in a week or two. Perhaps a Cygwin port could, but I'm talking of a native port, where the code runs directly on Windows,

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-16 Thread rjf
On Feb 15, 5:10 pm, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:32:36 PM UTC-8, rjf wrote: The number of downloads on windows is about 216,000  since August. The number of downloads on Linux is about 675. Many distributions ship with a maxima package, for

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-16 Thread rjf
On Feb 15, 6:31 pm, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 15, 7:22 pm, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a native port of Sage to Windows could not be done in a week or two. Perhaps a Cygwin port could, but I'm talking of a native port, where the code runs directly on Windows,

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-16 Thread kcrisman
Then you haven't tried to actually do this, which of course we know. Unfortunately, even getting Maxima to work right on Cygwin with ECL ... maybe because running ECL is the wrong choice, dictated by a misguided policy about what software is politically acceptable. Perhaps; I have no horse

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-16 Thread Dima Pasechnik
In gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel, you wrote: On Feb 15, 6:31 pm, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 15, 7:22 pm, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a native port of Sage to Windows could not be done in a week or two. Perhaps a Cygwin port could, but I'm talking of a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-16 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: In gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel, you wrote: On Feb 15, 6:31 pm, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 15, 7:22 pm, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a native port of Sage to Windows could not be done in a

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-16 Thread Dima Pasechnik
In gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel, you wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: In gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel, you wrote: On Feb 15, 6:31 pm, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 15, 7:22 pm, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-15 Thread rjf
IMHO, a native port of Sage to Windows could not be done in a week or two. Perhaps a Cygwin port could, but I'm talking of a native port, where the code runs directly on Windows, without any Linux virtual machines, emulators or similar. I see no reason to reject MinGW, Cygwin, or other

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-15 Thread rjf
On Feb 13, 10:05 pm, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 13, 2012 9:34:17 PM UTC-8, rjf wrote: shame on you for turning your back on what is still the most wide-spread operating system (or family of systems) on home and office computers. The most common home

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Volker Braun
On Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:32:36 PM UTC-8, rjf wrote: The number of downloads on windows is about 216,000 since August. The number of downloads on Linux is about 675. Many distributions ship with a maxima package, for example Fedora. Microsoft is not distributing maxima with

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Dima Pasechnik
In gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel, you wrote: On 02/15/12 01:40 AM, Volker Braun wrote: While it would be an funny retro-computing exercise, No, it would be a painful one. Even if you could install it, most modern software would not run on it. I don't think Windows NT 3.51 can run on

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-15 Thread kcrisman
On Feb 15, 7:22 pm, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a native port of Sage to Windows could not be done in a week or two. Perhaps a Cygwin port could, but I'm talking of a native port, where the code runs directly on Windows, without any Linux virtual machines, emulators or similar.

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Jason Grout
On 2/15/12 7:10 PM, Volker Braun wrote: Many distributions ship with a maxima package, for example Fedora. Microsoft is not distributing maxima with Windows. Hence only windows users will download maxima from sourceforge. Not to mention that the sf number doesn't count, for example, Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/16/12 01:44 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: In gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel, you wrote: On 02/15/12 01:40 AM, Volker Braun wrote: While it would be an funny retro-computing exercise, No, it would be a painful one. Even if you could install it, most modern software would not run on it.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Harald Schilly
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 07:05, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: The most common home computer is a game console. in 2012, i think it's the posix-world of smartphones and tablets, namely android and iOS. porting to or supporting a growing ecosystem (i.e. tablets) has more long term

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread David Kirkby
On 14 February 2012 06:05, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: The most common home computer is a game console. While techincally an XBox is a windows PC, very few normal Windows programs run on it. Some of my code has been run on a Sony Playstation 3, as well as a Cray supercomputer.

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Dima Pasechnik
In gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel, you wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 13:34, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 13, 6:10 pm, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: (RJF) This is not a problem if you drop the requirement that every recipient of Sage must be able to COMPILE stuff

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Keshav Kini
Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com writes: In gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel, you wrote: This is a bit strange, isn't it? Shouldn't it say something like Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: or similar? -Keshav P.S. Testing sending this mail via Gnus, hopefully this works :) (shut up

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Keshav Kini
Oops. Reply-To header got me there... Sorry for the noise, still trying to wrap my head around Hardcore Email (tm) and Hardcore Editor (tm) :) -Keshav On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 22:14, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com writes: In

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Jason Grout
On 2/14/12 8:14 AM, Keshav Kini wrote: P.S. Testing sending this mail via Gnus, hopefully this works :) (shut up about mismatched parentheses, emacs...) Thunderbird: +1. Jason -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread David Kirkby
On 13 February 2012 17:22, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 13, 12:51 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: On 02/12/12 03:06 PM, rjf wrote: Microsoft and Google/Motorola are suing each other. Do you get money from Microsoft? Just a thought. You could

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Volker Braun
On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:16:04 AM UTC-8, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: is one such example. I was recently speaking to one of their engineers, who said some customers had simultions taking weeks, so they would get Ansys (the vendor) to simulate them on more powerful hardware, reducing the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread François Bissey
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:01:59 Volker Braun wrote: On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:16:04 AM UTC-8, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: is one such example. I was recently speaking to one of their engineers, who said some customers had simultions taking weeks, so they would get Ansys (the vendor) to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Volker Braun
IBM discontinuing AIX? Is this some kind of joke? IBM is more than happy to sell Power7 systems with AIX. But if you have the hardware lying around and no money to buy a recent AIX version then there are also plenty of linux options. The only thing that is for sure is that you can't run Windows

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/14/12 11:39 PM, Volker Braun wrote: IBM discontinuing AIX? Is this some kind of joke? IBM is more than happy to sell Power7 systems with AIX. But if you have the hardware lying around and no money to buy a recent AIX version then there are also plenty of linux options. The only thing that

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/14/12 11:01 PM, Volker Braun wrote: On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:16:04 AM UTC-8, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: is one such example. I was recently speaking to one of their engineers, who said some customers had simultions taking weeks, so they would get Ansys (the vendor) to simulate them

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread François Bissey
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:39:20 Volker Braun wrote: IBM discontinuing AIX? Is this some kind of joke? IBM is more than happy to sell Power7 systems with AIX. But if you have the hardware lying around and no money to buy a recent AIX version then there are also plenty of linux options. The only

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Volker Braun
While it would be an funny retro-computing exercise, I don't think Windows NT 3.51 can run on Power7. It is binary compatible under certain conditions but i'd be surprised if a whole OS can escape all caveats. I actually know one or two Windows-based HPC clusters in academic research. In the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/15/12 01:40 AM, Volker Braun wrote: While it would be an funny retro-computing exercise, No, it would be a painful one. Even if you could install it, most modern software would not run on it. I don't think Windows NT 3.51 can run on Power7. It is binary compatible under certain

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Volker Braun
On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:13:26 PM UTC-8, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: So Windows Vista, and all the free Linux distributions like Ubuntu are not supported. Neither is OS X. If you have a cluster you obviously don't put Ubuntu on the nodes (there are special cluster distributions like

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/12/12 03:06 PM, rjf wrote: Microsoft and Google/Motorola are suing each other. Do you get money from Microsoft? Just a thought. You could propose to Google to port Sage to run on Windows/ natively, not. I believe a complete native port would be an almost impossibility. I don't think

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-13 Thread rjf
On Feb 12, 7:12 am, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 02/12/2012 01:33 AM, John H Palmieri wrote: I can see it getting hairy if we try to generalize periodic functions, too, but period/interval are easy enough to work with. There are a whole bunch of challenging problems,

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-13 Thread rjf
On Feb 13, 12:51 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: On 02/12/12 03:06 PM, rjf wrote:   Microsoft and Google/Motorola are suing each other. Do you get money from Microsoft? Just a thought. You could propose to Google to port Sage to run on Windows/ natively, not. I

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-13 Thread rjf
On Feb 13, 6:10 pm, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: . GMP and MPFR is only a small part of the story. There are huge packages in Sage (not developed by Sage people) that do not run natively under Windows and are quite non-trivial to port (as they might have their own tricky GC,

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Volker Braun
On Monday, February 13, 2012 9:34:17 PM UTC-8, rjf wrote: shame on you for turning your back on what is still the most wide-spread operating system (or family of systems) on home and office computers. The most common home computer is a game console. While techincally an XBox is a windows

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Keshav Kini
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 13:34, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 13, 6:10 pm, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: (RJF) This is not a problem if you drop the requirement that every recipient of Sage must be able to COMPILE stuff locally.  Just have one person compile the stuff once

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-12 Thread rjf
Microsoft and Google/Motorola are suing each other. Do you get money from Microsoft? Just a thought. You could propose to Google to port Sage to run on Windows/ natively, not. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/12/2012 01:33 AM, John H Palmieri wrote: On Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:39:32 PM UTC-8, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I've started this: http://wiki.sagemath.org/PiecewiseSymbolicSEP http://wiki.sagemath.org/PiecewiseSymbolicSEP It's basically a brain dump at this point,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I've started this: http://wiki.sagemath.org/PiecewiseSymbolicSEP It's basically a brain dump at this point, but I can go back and clean up specific ideas now with less overhead. I've also added a link and a few paragraphs to the GSoC proposal. -- To post to this group, send an email to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-11 Thread John H Palmieri
On Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:39:32 PM UTC-8, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I've started this: http://wiki.sagemath.org/PiecewiseSymbolicSEP It's basically a brain dump at this point, but I can go back and clean up specific ideas now with less overhead. I've also added a link and a few

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-11 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 10:33 PM, John H Palmieri jhpalmier...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:39:32 PM UTC-8, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I've started this:    http://wiki.sagemath.org/PiecewiseSymbolicSEP It's basically a brain dump at this point, but I can go back and

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-09 Thread Rob Beezer
On Feb 8, 4:12 pm, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: since its clear some don't have a clue. Perhaps that's not the wisest thing to state in public. Rob -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-09 Thread Keshav Kini
Well, to be fair, it's generally less wise to state in public how much others suck than to state in public how much we ourselves suck :) -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread mmarco
Continuing nontrivial Geogebra integration could be another very appropriate one. - kcrisman Big +1 to that. * webwork/sage integration I would also add integration with moodle (maybe that would include ldap?) There is also some mathematical stuff that i would like to see in Sage, but

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Harald Schilly
I've started to write a GSOC 2012 application on the day we got rejected in 2011. Whoever wants to help, i'll add you to the google docs document. I'm fine with any contributions or even submitting this as the notebook and not sage itself. I also got some feedback from the last submissions

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/07/2012 11:20 PM, kcrisman wrote: I hesitate to say I would be a good mentor, but there are a lot of things in symbolics and graphics that would be appropriate for this that I'd like to try with some of my students. Especially piecewise functions and such. Continuing nontrivial Geogebra

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Christopher Swenson
I thought I would not that, to whomever is going to write the application, be sure to list me down as a Google supporter, since I think it would be great to have a Sage GSoC project. There should be a section along the lines of vouchers from Google and other large organizations. If I had a bit

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Christopher Swenson ch...@caswenson.com wrote: I thought I would not that, to whomever is going to write the application, be sure to list me down as a Google supporter, since I think it would be great to have a Sage GSoC project.  There should be a section along

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Harald Schilly
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 20:43, Christopher Swenson ch...@caswenson.com wrote: There should be a section along the lines of vouchers from Google and other large organizations. yes, there is in deed such a section. thanks for your support :) H -- To post to this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread Jason Grout
On 2/7/12 9:48 PM, William Stein wrote: Hi, Does anybody want to help put together a GSoC application for Sage for 2012? http://code.google.com/soc/ The application deadline is March 9. So far, I think we've applied 5 times to have Sage as a mentoring organizing, and been denied every

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: On 2/7/12 9:48 PM, William Stein wrote: Hi, Does anybody want to help put together a GSoC application for Sage for 2012?    http://code.google.com/soc/ The application deadline is March 9. So far, I think

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread kcrisman
I'd be willing to mentor, for example, a notebook project, since that's what I'll be working on most of the summer.  I'll already have several students hopefully working with me on the notebook, or graphics (webgl, here we come :), etc. Excellent.  I am also willing to mentor a project

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we can tie the Android app into the notebook work? I could help mentor a student working on Android stuff, maybe that would help our GSOC application. That's an *extremely* good idea! Maybe we should have The Sage

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread Volker Braun
Maybe we can tie the Android app into the notebook work? I could help mentor a student working on Android stuff, maybe that would help our GSOC application. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread Jason Grout
On 2/7/12 10:15 PM, William Stein wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Volker Braunvbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we can tie the Android app into the notebook work? I could help mentor a student working on Android stuff, maybe that would help our GSOC application. That's an *extremely*

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread kcrisman
* overhaul 2d graphics to be consistent, take advantage of matplotlib much more, etc.  Introduce svg or html5 frontends for matplotlib that make interactive browser graphics easier (like interacts) These would be really cool. * webwork/sage integration There are real people already working

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread Jason Aubrey
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:17 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: * overhaul 2d graphics to be consistent, take advantage of matplotlib much more, etc. Introduce svg or html5 frontends for matplotlib that make interactive browser graphics easier (like interacts) These would be really

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-07 Thread John Travis
+1 I had to go look up what GSOC was first ... Jt On Feb 7, 2012 11:27 PM, Jason Aubrey aubre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:17 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: * overhaul 2d graphics to be consistent, take advantage of matplotlib much more, etc. Introduce svg or