Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-17 Thread KeithBJohnson
yes indeed. and Jeffrey Combs as Wayun was great. I know at least a couple of his clones were killed by the one Founder who spoke for the race, due to failures in his performance. And Worf killed the last clone toward the end of the series. -- Original message -- From:

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-16 Thread RaAyyMOND C
Fav Group of villians: The Romulains. The Gouald. Fav female villians: Species alien. Hathor, from SG-1. Nerte, from SG-1. Fav male villian: Apophis Fav comic villain: THANOS of Titan. - Looking for last minute shopping

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-16 Thread Martin
How did I forget about Thanos, after the turn he did in Annihilation? RaAyyMOND C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fav Group of villians: The Romulains. The Gouald. Fav female villians: Species alien. Hathor, from SG-1. Nerte, from SG-1. Fav male

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-16 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I like Hathor and Nerte. The new replicators are interesting RaAyyMOND C wrote: Fav Group of villians: The Romulains. The Gouald. Fav female villians: Species alien. Hathor, from SG-1. Nerte, from SG-1. Fav male villian: Apophis Fav comic villain: THANOS of Titan.

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-16 Thread KeithBJohnson
My vote would be for the Dominion, led by the Changelings on Deep Space Nine. Here were a people with a tragic past (as they tell it) of millennia of abuse at the hands of Solids, who finally decided to control others before they could be hurt. As a formerly oppressed people, they brought an

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-16 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I liked them as villains because on their behalf they had two villians by proxy - the Jem hadar (sp) and the clones ( can't remember them [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote would be for the Dominion, led by the Changelings on Deep Space Nine. Here were a people with a tragic past (as they tell

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-16 Thread RaAyyMOND C
WOW! I never knew the whole story behind the Dominion. I stopped watching a little before the Dominion War started. Both the Dominion and the Romulans are both arrogant racists. A xenophobia fueled by past wars of aggression from other races against theirs. And in the case of the

Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-15 Thread tdemorsella
While they were not necessarily my favorite, I found the Reavers on Firefly pretty scary. I also found three other Whedon Villians interesting. The principal on Buffy, The Law firm on Angel and Jasime (Gina Torres) also from Angel were all pretty interesting --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-13 Thread Martin
Speaking of ladies (and using the Wayback Machine), Servalan, from Blake's 7. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good one. But that reminds me... SCORPIUS!!! I really enjoyed him buky90 wrote: the female commander from farside. just to remind us whos more

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-13 Thread Martin
Baby Borg (heads exploding around the world at the concept...) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the low point for me was the introduction of Hugh in TNG. The Borg that Geordi adopted, which developed full human emotions after being cut off from the Collective. That character destroyed the whole

RE: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-13 Thread Reece Jennings
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale Baby Borg (heads exploding around the world at the concept...) KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-13 Thread Daryle
See? Ya feelin¹ me on the Blake¹s 7! NOBODY had bad guys like Blake¹s 7. And no bad guy has ever dressed as well as Supreme Commander Servalan! On 12/13/07 5:45 PM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of ladies (and using the Wayback Machine), Servalan, from Blake's 7.

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-13 Thread KeithBJohnson
yeah, they drove me up the wall. Reminds me of all the cartoons that have to create kiddie versions of popular characters... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baby Borg (heads exploding around the world at the concept...) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Being a huge fan of James Robinson's run on Starman, my favorite villain is the second Mist, the daughter of the first. She was initially a stuttering, bumbling wanna-be criminal, ridiculed by her father. After he was apparently killed in battle with Starman, she snapped, became a cold,

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Gymfig
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[scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread B. Smith
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why was Adam killing people? They imprisoned him for a number years after his first attempt to release the Shanti virus.

Re: Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Bosco Bosco
There's so many good villains to choose from. I'm a villain lover actually. In no particular order here's some faves off the top of my head. Darth Vader, Baron Harkonnen, The Reavers from Firefly/Serenity, Dr. John Whorfin, Spike, and The Others on Lost. Do Q and Hal count as villains? I count

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Daryle
Hal not only counts, it counts as the best developed villain of all! Good choice! My short list has to include the Tyrell Corporation (yes, the whole corporation) of ³Blade Runner², The entire cast of ³Blake¹s 7², Elijah from ³Unbreakable², The Operative (Chiwetel Ejiofor¹s character) from

Re: Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Bosco, you left out John It's not my g*dd*mn planet, monkey-boy! Big Booty. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's so many good villains to choose from. I'm a villain lover actually. In no particular order here's some faves off the top of my head. Darth Vader, Baron Harkonnen,

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Okay, I remembered. The Phalanx. They were the throwaway techno-organic virus race that provided me more laughs than chills in the X-books. They were reborn for Annihilation: Conquest, and they've earned a few of their scary points back from me. Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Mike, what do you think of the turn they took Cassandra Cain, the new Batgirl through, from a scarred-soul-trying-to-turn-good to the head of the League of Assassins, through? Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like well developed villains. I think Magneto is excellent cause he

Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread B. Smith
Babylon 5 had some great villains. Bester and Londo were well developed and you understood why they committed the acts they did but they were no less villainous. Mr. Morden on the other hand was about as close to pure evil as they come. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL

Re: Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Bosco Bosco
That's Big Boo-tay B --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, you left out John It's not my g*dd*mn planet, monkey-boy! Big Booty. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's so many good villains to choose from. I'm a villain lover actually. In no particular order here's

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Bosco Bosco
Ooh Ooh Ooh Me too me too. That's the problem with just throwing things out off the top of your head, you always leave behind some great options. I LOVE LOVE LOVE The Operative character. I also loved Jubal Early from the Objects in Space episode of Firefly. I wish Joss Whedon would do a post

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Daryle, the *entire cast* of Blake's 7? No! Kerr Avon was as innocent and pure as an angel! :P Seriously, had another to add, but it slipped my brain. I'll be back. Hey, there's one. Ah-nuld, the original Tehr-minat-uh. Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hal not only counts, it

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Buy the way, I love the operative. Sure wish we could see more of him Daryle wrote: Hal not only counts, it counts as the best developed villain of all! Good choice! My short list has to include the Tyrell Corporation (yes, the whole corporation) of ³Blade Runner², The entire cast of

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
What about the Borg? are they two one dimensional? When they first came out, they blew me away. What about Agent Smith on the Matrix Daryle wrote: Hal not only counts, it counts as the best developed villain of all! Good choice! My short list has to include the Tyrell Corporation (yes,

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread KeithBJohnson
The Borg started out scary, then were weakened in my opinion. When they were a mass intelligence with no individual leader, they were fearsome. When they brought in the Queen, with her posing and posturing, I lost interest. I also hated the way they were so weakened. some of the holes in their

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Exactly, Keith. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Borg started out scary, then were weakened in my opinion. When they were a mass intelligence with no individual leader, they were fearsome. When they brought in the Queen, with her posing and posturing, I lost interest. I also hated the way they

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
IMO, the best kind of villain is the Operative type. A guy who's just doing his job, albeit a job whose morals the masses might call into question. Deity. I just validated Mister Bush. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buy the way, I love the

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Agent Smith- another example of the type of villain I quoted. As for the Borg, they're just sadly mis-written. Blame the Killer Bees. Please. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the Borg? are they two one dimensional? When they first came out,

Re: Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Don't forget Emperor Cartaggia. Knew what he was doing, and probably got his jollies from it. B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Babylon 5 had some great villains. Bester and Londo were well developed and you understood why they committed the acts they did but they were no less

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread buky90
the female commander from farside. just to remind us whos more dangerous of the species, and when she was pregnant she got more vicious On 12/12/07, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, the best kind of villain is the Operative type. A guy who's just doing his job, albeit a job whose morals

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I totally agree. . That first episode was fantastic and I liked first contact, but there after I became less enamored with them [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Borg started out scary, then were weakened in my opinion. When they were a mass intelligence with no individual leader, they were

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread KeithBJohnson
the low point for me was the introduction of Hugh in TNG. The Borg that Geordi adopted, which developed full human emotions after being cut off from the Collective. That character destroyed the whole concept of the Borg. Then came Seven of Nine, the Baby Borg, the Queen--aagh!! --

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Good one. But that reminds me... SCORPIUS!!! I really enjoyed him buky90 wrote: the female commander from farside. just to remind us whos more dangerous of the species, and when she was pregnant she got more vicious On 12/12/07, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
I need to forget about waiting for the Friday marathon and crack out my DVD set... Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh Ooh Ooh Me too me too. That's the problem with just throwing things out off the top of your head, you always leave behind some great options. I LOVE LOVE LOVE The

Re: Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Yes, yes, I'd forgotten that LMNAO!!! Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's Big Boo-tay B --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, you left out John It's not my g*dd*mn planet, monkey-boy! Big Booty. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's so many good

[scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-11 Thread B. Smith
Adam from this season was a very interesting villain. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never liked X-men. They would always cry about being mutants. Give me Avengers any day. How can you not have really good heroes if you don't have really go villains? That

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-11 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I like dam as a villain. It would have been good to see more of him during his villainy instead of his drunken period B. Smith wrote: Adam from this season was a very interesting villain. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

[scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-11 Thread ravenadal
I had every episode of this season's Heroes saved on my DVR. I got behind in my viewing, needed to free up some space, and deleted every episode of Heroes I had saved. Did not suffer one minute of remorse. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-11 Thread Mike Street
I like well developed villains. I think Magneto is excellent cause he has a clear cut purpose, a past, and goal with what he's trying to do. Or the Joker cause he's nut's and can't tell right from wrong anymore. I do think the good guys are to GOOD. I always wanted the Legion of Doom to kick the

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-11 Thread Daryle
This is an interesting discussion. I think Magneto is one of the worst villains ever, because I believe just the opposite is true: I don¹t think we EVER know what his motivation is. He¹s forever collaborating with other people! He¹s never clearly been defined as ³I¹m gonna wipe out

Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-11 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
One of my favorite villians is Ra's Al Ghul from Batman. He seems to be one of the more fleshed out villains. I love his back flash stories and how they reveal his motivations.his relationship with Batman is never Black and White. Mike Street wrote: I like well developed villains. I

[scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-10 Thread B. Smith
Peter Petrelli and Mohinder are still dumb as rocks. I liked the resolution to the Hiro and Adam storyline. Why did the sister with the Taskmaster like powers turn into a punk? We were having a bit of an ice storm during the finale so my DirecTv signal flickered off a couple a times at the end

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

2007-12-10 Thread KeithBJohnson
Did didn't show who did the deed you reference below. Just some figure running away... -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Petrelli and Mohinder are still dumb as rocks. I liked the resolution to the Hiro and Adam storyline. Why did the sister