Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-21 Thread Andreas Mueller
Ok, so I updated the form a bit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdyeGNhMzlCRWZUdldpMEZlZ1B1YkE6MQ#gid=0 I removed the last question and added the possible answers as a hint to the what would you like to see question. I want to release tonight and I would like to publish

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-21 Thread Andreas Mueller
Am 18.01.2013 15:14, schrieb Lars Buitinck: I'm not one for web design, but we usually spell scikit-learn all-lowercase, and certainly never with a capital L. Also, I prefer scikit-learn to the scikit-learn, but I'm under the impression that the French devs on the team prefer the latter ;)

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-21 Thread xinfan meng
Should in the contributors free time be in the contributors' free time ? On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.dewrote: Ok, so I updated the form a bit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdyeGNhMzlCRWZUdldpMEZlZ1B1YkE6MQ#gid=0 I removed

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-21 Thread Andreas Mueller
Am 21.01.2013 13:51, schrieb xinfan meng: Should in the contributors free time be in the contributors' free time ? Yes, I think so. Thanks. -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC,

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-21 Thread Jaques Grobler
Hey Andy - on it now.. Sorry I had some immigration issues this morning.. Will make it shortly J 2013/1/21 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de Am 21.01.2013 13:51, schrieb xinfan meng: Should in the contributors free time be in the contributors' free time ? Yes, I think so.

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-21 Thread Jaques Grobler
My github has been refusing to connect, but seems to be working now.. just slowly.. 2013/1/21 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de Thanks a lot and sorry for rushing you :-/ -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint,

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-21 Thread Jaques Grobler
Here's the PR with online build : https://github.com/scikit-learn/scikit-learn/pull/1603 2013/1/21 Jaques Grobler jaquesgrob...@gmail.com My github has been refusing to connect, but seems to be working now.. just slowly.. 2013/1/21 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de Thanks a lot

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi Leon. I'd really like to get this finished now. Could you maybe send me the info to edit the form and get the results? Thanks, Andy On 01/17/2013 02:18 PM, Leon Palafox wrote: Hello, I have some sort of form ready in google docs.

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Gael Varoquaux
Hi all, I have been delaying joining this discussion because I didn't have enough mental bandwidth to contribute something useful. Grant submission deadline is passed, and we have made good progress on the release, so I can try giving some input. TL;DR version: do we want to plan for the

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:21:24AM +0100, Lars Buitinck wrote: What we could do is determine a focus for the next release other than add more features, like: * implement Python 3 support * fix outstanding API issues, like sparse matrix support for some estimators. I agree, but I am not sure

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Gael Varoquaux
One area I'd like to work on is density estimation: KDE in particular is an important component of a wide variety of algorithms, and there is not (to my knowledge) a good flexible scalable KDE implementation currently in the scipy universe. I think we're well-poised to offer that, but it

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 09:29:34AM +0100, Andreas Mueller wrote: I'd really like to get some more feedback from the other core devs about the survey idea. What do you think about it? It's a good idea, but I would make it really clear that the scikit is a doacracy and the survey is purely

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 05:38:01PM +0100, Andreas Mueller wrote: For GP: Someone volunteered on the ML recently to take a shot at them. Let's wait and see, I would say. GPs are currently not good, but we should really keep them and strive to improve them: they pop up quite often in machine

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 08:26:21PM +0100, Jaques Grobler wrote: Regarding the banner, the first screenshot I posted is actually a fixed one that scrolls along with the page. I like the idea of it being less disco-intense but catches your eye as you scroll I don't really like this idea, as we

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Andreas Mueller
Jaques, could you wrap up a PR? From my perspective the banner is the only thing missing for the release now. I'm ambivalent on scrolling / non-scrolling. Andy -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012,

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-20 Thread Leon Palafox
Hi Andy, Could you send me a gmail address?SO I can add you as a collaborator in the form Leon On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.dewrote: Jaques, could you wrap up a PR? From my perspective the banner is the only thing missing for the release now. I'm

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-19 Thread Lars Buitinck
2013/1/18 Jaques Grobler jaquesgrob...@gmail.com: Regarding the banner, the first screenshot I posted is actually a fixed one that scrolls along with the page. I like the idea of it being less disco-intense but catches your eye as you scroll Ok. In that case, +1 for the orange banner, it fits

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Satrajit Ghosh
sending without embedded image. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Satrajit Ghosh sa...@mit.edu wrote: hi jaques, looks good. two possible options 1. put it right below the current banner (across the page, below the logo). 2. change the background to the orange or red. something that brings

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Jaques Grobler
Sorry about the embedded one - wasn't thinking there. French weather is freezing my brain Here's the image I sent earlier http://i48.tinypic.com/24xgcd0.png Here's the new one with Satrajit's suggestions http://i45.tinypic.com/11uztbs.png 2013/1/18 Satrajit Ghosh sa...@mit.edu sending

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Andreas Mueller
Am 18.01.2013 15:06, schrieb Ronnie Ghose: +1 to a different color. The blue blends in with the bg. +1 -- Master HTML5, CSS3, ASP.NET, MVC, AJAX, Knockout.js, Web API and much more. Get web development skills now with

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Jaques Grobler
Yeah the first colour was just a random choice :) Was just to get things going with this 2013/1/18 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de Am 18.01.2013 15:06, schrieb Ronnie Ghose: +1 to a different color. The blue blends in with the bg. +1

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Ronnie Ghose
h what about one that does not share color with the scikit webpage at all. it would look horrible - and as a result stand out 0 - neutral On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.dewrote: Am 18.01.2013 15:06, schrieb Ronnie Ghose: +1 to a different

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread xinfan meng
How long would the survey take? If it takes less than 2 minutes, then I think it is better to say a one minute survey instead of a quick survey. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Ronnie Ghose ronnie.gh...@gmail.comwrote: h what about one that does not share color with the scikit webpage at

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Jaques Grobler
@Ronnie - here are some colours that don't really fit the theme versions pink http://i49.tinypic.com/286zac1.png cyan http://i50.tinypic.com/ao8d42.png green http://i46.tinypic.com/2rc05si.png red http://i50.tinypic.com/nd91le.png Stil using layout from Satrajit's suggestion here J 2013/1/18

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Andreas Mueller
Am 18.01.2013 15:40, schrieb xinfan meng: How long would the survey take? If it takes less than 2 minutes, then I think it is better to say a one minute survey instead of a quick survey. Not sure. Take it and we will know ;)

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Jaques Grobler
@xinfan - good question :) Not sure how long it would take yet - but I'll make a note of that 2013/1/18 Jaques Grobler jaquesgrob...@gmail.com @Ronnie - here are some colours that don't really fit the theme versions pink http://i49.tinypic.com/286zac1.png cyan

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Ronnie Ghose
+1 red or green since they stick out really obviously On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Jaques Grobler jaquesgrob...@gmail.comwrote: @Ronnie - here are some colours that don't really fit the theme versions pink http://i49.tinypic.com/286zac1.png cyan http://i50.tinypic.com/ao8d42.png green

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Andreas Mueller
Question 7: Question mark. I'm not sure question 7 is needed in its current form. If the options were broad concepts like Coding quality, Integration with other libraries, scalability, efficiency, then the question would work. As it stands, this question is answered by the above

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Satrajit Ghosh
hi jaques, here is a quick fiddle to play around with the markup/colors. i just used twitter bootstrap's alert css embedded it in a div after the header. http://jsfiddle.net/Fgc39/ cheers, satra On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Jaques Grobler jaquesgrob...@gmail.comwrote: @Ronnie - here are

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Andreas Mueller
Btw, if we do keep 7 in some form, it should be checkbox, not a radio button. -- Master HTML5, CSS3, ASP.NET, MVC, AJAX, Knockout.js, Web API and much more. Get web development skills now with LearnDevNow - 350+ hours of

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Lars Buitinck
2013/1/18 Jaques Grobler jaquesgrob...@gmail.com: @Ronnie - here are some colours that don't really fit the theme versions pink http://i49.tinypic.com/286zac1.png cyan http://i50.tinypic.com/ao8d42.png green http://i46.tinypic.com/2rc05si.png red http://i50.tinypic.com/nd91le.png -1, all of

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Mathieu Blondel
For the 1.0 release, I would concentrate on machine learning classics, essentially supervised and unsupervised learning methods (i.e. the methods for which our API is robust and well-tested). I would keep structured prediction, semi-supervised learning, active learning or anything that requires

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Satrajit Ghosh
http://jsfiddle.net/Fgc39/1/ all controlled via the css 'alert'. cheers, satra On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Lars Buitinck l.j.buiti...@uva.nl wrote: 2013/1/18 Jaques Grobler jaquesgrob...@gmail.com: @Ronnie - here are some colours that don't really fit the theme versions pink

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Lars Buitinck
2013/1/18 Mathieu Blondel math...@mblondel.org: Modules I would consider for removal are gaussian processes, semi-supervised learning and HMMs. We could move them to a scikit-learn-bleeding-edge repository. +1 for getting rid of the HMMs; I never liked their API, and the MultinomialHMM in

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Andreas Mueller
Am 18.01.2013 17:25, schrieb Lars Buitinck: 2013/1/18 Mathieu Blondel math...@mblondel.org: Modules I would consider for removal are gaussian processes, semi-supervised learning and HMMs. We could move them to a scikit-learn-bleeding-edge repository. +1 for getting rid of the HMMs; I never

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Ronnie Ghose
+1 for removing HMM from 1.0 I would still like them accessible somewhere though. +1 for semi-supervised to be kept in 1.0 release. It doesn't seem very developed. Seems self-explanatory. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.dewrote: Am 18.01.2013 17:25,

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Mathieu Blondel
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de wrote: I don't see the problem with semi-supervised algorithm actually. The API is pretty straight-forward and there are well-established algorithms like self-taught learning. The API feels natural and is flexible but

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Jaques Grobler
Regarding the banner, the first screenshot I posted is actually a fixed one that scrolls along with the page. I like the idea of it being less disco-intense but catches your eye as you scroll 2013/1/18 Mathieu Blondel math...@mblondel.org On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Andreas Mueller

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-18 Thread Robert Layton
On 19 January 2013 06:47, Satrajit Ghosh sa...@mit.edu wrote: hi jaques, in that case i like it (so it stays always on the top of the screen. i would still recommend for something simpler perhaps without the shading, just an outline of the box. cheers, satra On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-17 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi all. Leon, did you set up a Forms already? Do we have any more ideas for questions? I think we should start voting on them if we want to get it ready for the release. Cheers, Andy -- Master Visual Studio,

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-17 Thread Leon Palafox
Hello, I have some sort of form ready in google docs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdyeGNhMzlCRWZUdldpMEZlZ1B1YkE6MQ Let me know your suggestions Leon On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.dewrote: Hi all. Leon, did you set up a

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-17 Thread Jaques Grobler
Looks good.. should there perhaps be an 'other' tickbox for the first question (maybe with a textbox to specify?) - or is that overkill? also, shouldn't TI be IT? Only Texas Instruments and non english version of IT comes to mind for me.. I mind be being dumb here :D Thanks for doing this

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-17 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi Leon. Looks good, thanks :) Maybe some others have some ideas for questions? I think we might get more out of people if we have more multiple choice or radio buttons, as these are way easier to click. Maybe we could also have something about priorities, like which of the following should

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-17 Thread Olivier Grisel
2013/1/17 Leon Palafox leonoe...@gmail.com: Hello, I have some sort of form ready in google docs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdyeGNhMzlCRWZUdldpMEZlZ1B1YkE6MQ For the first question: - Self taught - I am still at high school + add hobbyist as a third option to

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-17 Thread Jaques Grobler
Sure, I can do that Regards, J 2013/1/17 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de Hi Leon. Looks good, thanks :) Maybe some others have some ideas for questions? I think we might get more out of people if we have more multiple choice or radio buttons, as these are way easier to click.

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-17 Thread Leon Palafox
:* Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope ** ** Hello, ** ** I have some sort of form ready in google docs. ** ** https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdyeGNhMzlCRWZUdldpMEZlZ1B1YkE6MQ ** ** Let me know your suggestions ** ** Leon

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-14 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hey everybody. I'd really like to get some more feedback from the other core devs about the survey idea. What do you think about it? Also, if we do it, it would be great if we could find one of the core devs to oversee it and see that it gets on the website in time and everything. I should

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-14 Thread Jaques Grobler
Hey Andy I really like the idea of the survey. It would definitely help focus the project better considering it's rapid growth.. It's a good way to stay up to speed with which features people would like to see and would actually use, and which ones aren't used much. The ones that aren't used

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-14 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi Jaques. Thanks for volunteering. I was actually thinking more about a banner that people can't overlook ;) But if you make it flashy enough in the sidebar, that would also be ok, I guess. Anyhow, before any serious work gets done, I'd like to hear the opinion of Mathieu, Lars, Alex, Gael,

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-14 Thread Jaques Grobler
Banner would be nice too.. open to any suggestions there .. Regards 2013/1/14 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de Hi Jaques. Thanks for volunteering. I was actually thinking more about a banner that people can't overlook ;) But if you make it flashy enough in the sidebar, that would

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-14 Thread Wei LI
A survey would be quite helpful to make a detailed roadmap. Maybe we can also put the survey on somewhere machine learning guys gather like Kaggle. I wanna share some thoughts on adding new algorithms. More and more papers are published for machine learning, and plenty of new algorithms are

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-11 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi everyone. I am pretty psyched that I got so much feedback :) I think planning for a road towards 1.0 and also beyond would be good. Thanks Gilles for sharing your insights. They match quit well what I had in mind :) Also, I think getting an idea about the userbase would be great - though it

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-11 Thread Rob Zinkov
+1 on those suggestions My impression is the core value of sklearn is being readily useful to practitioners of machine learning algorithms. We shouldn't be afraid to deprecate modules that aren't being used. I think much of the core effort will be in making the library more internally consistent,

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-11 Thread Andreas Mueller
Am 11.01.2013 11:13, schrieb Olivier Grisel: +1 We need to come up with a survey form using google doc's form (now renamed to google drive forms) and advertise it here and over our social networks. http://google.about.com/od/toolsfortheoffice/ss/forms_googledoc.htm Why not surveymonkey? I

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-11 Thread Leon Palafox
Hey Guys, I'll be happy to start a draft. So far I have the following questions: 1. How many users do we actually have? a few dozens? hundreds? thousands? (I think this will be a bit tricky) 2. What is your Academic Background (CS Related/Non CS related (Biology, Physics, etc)) 3. What is your

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-11 Thread Robert Layton
I love the survey idea. I'd like to add some free text fields around how do you use sklearn, what would you like to see in sklearn. Having restricted questions is good, but the text may give us some answers we weren't expecting. On Jan 11, 2013 9:44 PM, Leon Palafox leonoe...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-11 Thread Olivier Grisel
2013/1/11 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de: Am 11.01.2013 11:13, schrieb Olivier Grisel: +1 We need to come up with a survey form using google doc's form (now renamed to google drive forms) and advertise it here and over our social networks.

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-11 Thread Andreas Mueller
Am 11.01.2013 11:43, schrieb Leon Palafox: Hey Guys, I'll be happy to start a draft. So far I have the following questions: 1. How many users do we actually have? a few dozens? hundreds? thousands? (I think this will be a bit tricky) 2. What is your Academic Background (CS Related/Non CS

[Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-10 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi everybody. Long and general mail coming on. TL;DR version: do we want to plan for the future? Today I read this blog post on the scope of open source projects: http://brianegranger.com/?p=249 It made me dig up an old mail draft I wrote after reading a post by Gael:

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-10 Thread Andrew Winterman
I am +1 on a plan, since it's helpful for newbies like myself in orienting themselves, and helps focus developer effort. That said, the breadth of this project is pretty amazing, and it's probably a good idea to keep classifiers which are up-and-coming in academia available. I guess I'm voting

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-10 Thread Robert Layton
On 11 January 2013 10:21, Lars Buitinck l.j.buiti...@uva.nl wrote: 2013/1/10 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de: I wanted to ask: should we try to make plans? We get a lot of PRs and have more and more contributors and I think it might be nice if we had some form of road map to give

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-10 Thread Olivier Grisel
2013/1/11 Lars Buitinck l.j.buiti...@uva.nl: 2013/1/10 Andreas Mueller amuel...@ais.uni-bonn.de: I wanted to ask: should we try to make plans? We get a lot of PRs and have more and more contributors and I think it might be nice if we had some form of road map to give everything a bit more

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-10 Thread Jake Vanderplas
Hi all, One component of a good roadmap would be to make sure we emphasize good implementations of fundamental ML algorithms. One area I'd like to work on is density estimation: KDE in particular is an important component of a wide variety of algorithms, and there is not (to my knowledge) a

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] Roadmap / Scope

2013-01-10 Thread Olivier Grisel
2013/1/11 Vlad Niculae zephy...@gmail.com: I completely agree with everyone regarding 1.0 and I really think we should make a clear list of issues for this (just saying API is pretty vague). However there is life after the 1.0, and I think Andy's message was more about that kind of long-term