Nigel Gatherer writes:
| Matt Seattle wrote:
|
| Nigel, are you sure you got the mode right for Cassino? Sounds
| decidedly odd IMHO!
|
| Matt spots the deliberate mistake this week - glad you're awake, Matt!
|
| Yes, of course you're right. The key it's normally in is A dorian - I
| think - but
Toby Rider writes:
| I don't see any more spam coming through.. Does anyone see spam I'm not
| catching?
Yeah. But not from scots-l. ;-)
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Nigel Gatherer wrote:
| Bev Lawton wrote:
|
| I am particularily looking for ABC's of J. Scott Skinner
|
| Not many, I'm afraid, but you'll see part of my Skinner ABC selection at
|
| http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc/abc6.html
|
| There are currently 22 tunes there. There are also more
Toby Rider wrote:
| Yes. I'm in the process of transitioning over to a new version of the
| list server, which will stop that problem. I just haven't gotten to it
| yet.. Something keeps coming up. Like for instance one of my other
| servers just took a total dump yesterday.
That wouldn't
Nigel Gatherer asks:
| Do any of you play this tune in a set? What other tunes do you play
| with it?
|
| X:686
| T:Shetland Fiddler, The
| D:Altan
| Z:Nigel Gatherer
| M:4/4
| L:1/8
| K:D
| Ac | d2 fd Adfe | defg afdf | e2 ge Beed | cdef gece |
| d2 fd Adfe | defg afde |(3fga fd (3fga
| I finally completed my abc transcription of the full version (i.e.,
| including the cello line) of Petrie's first collection. Anyone who would
| like a copy of the file, let me know. I find that the 2-voice code is a
| little problematic; it works great on BarFly but needs a little editing for
| Nigel Gatherer wrote:
|
| I have moved my website so that it's now
|
| [Snip]
|
| Oops. That was supposed to have gone to John Chambers, not the list.
| Apologies for that.
That's ok; I got it. ;-)
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(but I'm hoping John
| Chambers or someone else can help me find a place to put it so that JC's
| tunefinder can pick it up). Anyone who would like a copy send me an
| e-mail. -Steve
Well, I could offer to put it up on my web site. ;-)
I've done this with a number of collections, which was one way
Steve Wyrick writes:
| I'm trying to find some information on the tune Old Rattray. The version
| below came from JC's tunefinder but I've had no luck finding anything
| further. Can anyone help me with a source, composer, etc.? Thanks -Steve
|
| X: 1
| T: Old Rattray
| R: march
| M: 4/4
| L:
Steve Wyrick writes:
| Hi John; no I haven't yet found anything on this. I have the other 2
| Rattray tunes you mentioned (Miss Rattray of Dalrullzian (Jig) by Petrie,
| and Miss Rattray (Reel) from the Athole collection) but this is the first
| time I've encountered this one. My interest is on
| http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/FindTune.html
|
| I haven't been able to get in lately.
There were some hardware problems on the machine, and it was up and
down for most of yesterday. A disk was swapped, and it might be fixed
now. Then again, it might not. We'll see.
Posted to
in really strong to keep the beat
going. Anyway, this was the most-remarked-on medley of the
evening.
X: 0
T: Miss Gibson's Strathspey
T: 8x32S3
O: RSCDS Leaflet
K: A
X: 1
P: The Music o' Spey
C: J.S.Skinner
R: air, strathspey
Z: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
N: Scottish Violinist p.35; Hardie p
Anselm writes:
| Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Official RSCDS tempo is 110-112, although I find in practice it can vary
| somewhat depending on the figures in the dance and the skill and stamina of
| the dancers!
|
| As well as the type of occasion, the condition of the floor, the
|
Irena Aligizakis writes:
| Would a fiddler play at a different tempo for people
| doing a Scottish country dance than for a stepdancer?
| I'm just wondering b/c ever since I started
| stepdancing I'm a lot more conscious of rhythm and
| tempo and things like that in music.
Yep. Step dancers
Bob Rogers wrote:
| Cynthia Cathcart wrote:
| While we're talking about reels, and since there are a good smattering
| of fiddlers here, I will hazard another question: how fast are they
| usually played for dancers? One organization here in the States
| advertises the actual tempo of reels at
Derek writes:
| The system seems designed to keep musicians out the country. So is it
| affecting the music? I think so- there are now more and more US-based
| 'celtic bands' and the need to import the real thing seems to have lessened.
| All the celtic music I heard in the US was
Ted writes:
| Nigel:
| this was an interesting response, but did you really need to send it twice?
| Or is the Scots-L software acting up again?
|
| Anyway, I'm sure the world needs plenty more tunebooks, so why don't you
| give it ago? The need for a Complete Scott Skinner has already been
Ted writes some more:
| Ted writes:
| | Anyway, I'm sure the world needs plenty more tunebooks, so why don't you
| | give it ago? The need for a Complete Scott Skinner has already been
| | mentioned, so how about it - I don't think anyone will be chasing you re
| | copyright.
|
| How about
| We got this from business friend of ours. I had this file, as they said, =
| and deleted it. I am sending this to everyone, even if you haven't =
| received an email from us for a long time. Someone else may have sent =
| you this virus, especially as it is undetectable. Sorry if you get this =
Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| Found this on uk.comp.sys.mac. Good news for Toby's little station...
| A copyright proposal that would have meant the death of the vast
| majority of Internet broadcasters (who would, amongst other things, have
| had to pay between 0.4 and 0.6c per
Jack Campin wrote:
| ... We have problems with inconsistent abc, but abc is a
| paragon of standardization in comparison with tonic sol fa.
|
| That's not true of the notation as used in the UK. It all derives from
| one source, Curwen's original texts, and uses it with no
Nigel wrote:
It was the precursor of ABC notation in the days long before personal
computers and the internet. Simple, could be written using a
typewriter, able to handle accidentals, upper and lower octaves,
rhythm. I believe Gavin Greig used it in his collecting folk song in
the North East
Nigel Gatherer wrote:
| Jack Campin wrote:
| - can you handle a 200-tune file with all the tunes numbered zero?
|This is to stop John Chambers' Tune Finder plagiarizing my stuff
|by ripping things out of context (which he already has done with
|the current version despite my explicit
bars.
This tune goes well with Banks of Spey, and sounds great on
the pipes.
X: 1
T: Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika
T: God Bless Africa
C: Enoch Sontanga 1897
R: march
Z: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 2000
N: Enoch Sontanga was a teacher at a methodist mission school in Johannesburg SA.
N: The first
Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland writes:
| My Love Is Like a Red, Red Rose
| (also called Low Down In the Broom)
|
| s .m|d :- .d|r :m |d' :- .t|l :s |l :- .s |l :d' |r' :- |
| d'.r',m'|d :- .d|r :m |d' :- .t|l :s |l :- .s |l :t|d' :- |
| :s |d' :m' |r':d'|l .d':- |s :m |s
Keith Dunn asks:
| Does anyone have or know where to find abc's of a tune Pamela
| Rose Grant as played by Alasdair Fraser?
| I don't know who it was written by or the history behind it. Anyone know
| anything about the tune?
By some coincidence, I just got that from a friend at a recent
This must set some sort of record for early arrival at a concert.
| Wendy, If you are there and get this, would you mind bringing both fiddles?
| See you soon. I've parked down by the street.
| Jeffrey
| - Original Message -
| From: Wendy Galovich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: [EMAIL
Nigel Gatherer wrote:
| David Francis wrote:
| ...Jimmy Shand was renowned for his ability to hit the right tempo
| and keep it ticking along...Beware the early Shand recordings though.
| They go at an unbelievable lick. One theory is that this was to
| accommodate the limited recording
Ian Brockbank wrote:
| On the terminology side, SCDers do not make many distinctions at all.
| The average SCDer is hard put to distinguish between a reel (simple time)
| and a jig (6/8) - subtleties such as hornpipes are beyond them. In slow
| time, it's just strathspeys, even when they are
Toby wrote:
| John Chambers wrote:
| OTOH, some of them understand the differences very well, including
| the march/reel/hornpipe distinction and how airs differ from
| strathspeys. I know a few dance leaders who are clear when they want
| hornpipe tunes rather than reels, mostly
Anselm writes:
| John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| (And the tune for The Yellow Haired Laddie
| is actually labelled minuet rather than waltz, though I'd predict
| that the Renaissance Dance crowd would object that the tune isn't a
| minuet at all. ;-)
|
| It's not a waltz, either
Nigel Gatherer commented:
| Manuel Waldesco wrote:
| Nigel Gatherer said:
| Also I like to share tunes.
|
| Ok then, let's introduce another sort of musical tradition, there you
| go an Aragonese tune!
|
| T: Tatero
| O: Aragon
|
| [Snip]
|
| ???
Heh. Maybe what we should do is
Steve Wyrick wrote:
| John Chambers wrote:
| Hmmm ... So none of them could find the tune, either.
| Maybe it was a tune known only to Miss Milligan.
|
| The RSCDS usually publishes the title tunes along with the dances so I'd
| think it would be available. Maybe it's just not a very
/4 time). D Major. Standard. AB. Roche
| Collection, 1983, Vol. 1; No. 28, pg. 15.
|
| Recognise it now?
|
| Ted
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: John Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: 28 November 2001 21:52
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Steve Wyrick writes:
[about Gramachie]
| I know I've danced this dance but I don't remember anything about the tune!
| I checked the RSCDS DanceData database web interface, which lists the dance
| along with recordings of music for it. You might be interested in checking
| out what tunes
Nigel writes:
| I demand that:
...
| OK, you get the idea: unless this mailing list really is as dead as
| Patie Birnie's mare, let's get some action going. I've never known it
| to be as quiet as this. Me? Oh no, I've no time for such frivolities.
| Talk to me, people!
Heh. One question that
Nigel Gatherer writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| ...New England contra-dance musicians (who consider it Irish)...
|
| So, for that matter, do Irish musicians. Even if it were Nathaniel
| Gow's composition it, along with hundreds of Scots-origin tunes, can be
| regarded as Irish because it has
Nigel Gatherer writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| Well, I wouldn't consider it a can of worms at all...
|
| Can't you tell when I'm trying to whip up a juicy thread? :-)
Oh, sorry, uh, I guess it's really a can of worms. Big, fat
ones that would make good troll bait.
(Hmmm ... Do trolls eat
| In a message dated 6/9/01 8:47:14 pm, UnknownSender@UnknownDomain writes:
|
| Huh? I've pulled up bracken with my bare hands, and I've never had
| any such problems. Bracken stalks only extend a short distance into
| the ground, and then rapidly split up into small roots. They
| I've been lurking for awhile on the list. I'm a beginning fiddler with more
| background on other instruments (hammered dulcimer and mandolin). Can
| someone direct me to a site that explains how abc notation works? I'd love
| to take a look at the tune below and others that have
Nigel Gatherer writes:
| I've been looking for a 6/8 tune for beginners (all suggestions
| welcomed) and came across this lovely tune. Pinning the mode down is
| beyond me - can anyone help?
|
| X:296
| T:Lord Breadalbane's March
Well, I printed it out and showed it to a few friends.
Nigel Gatherer writes:
| John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| | There must have been a few ABC notated tunes in the Scots-L
| | archives. Would it be desirable/useful/easy/worthwhile to consider
| | collecting them together?
|
| Actually, I've been doing that since
, like MySQL or
| PostGres..
| Maybe I can get John Chambers, our resident PERL genius to help out
| with the coding. I think I'll call it http://abc-tunes.cyberhub.co.uk
|
| John, are you up for this idea?
Sounds interesting. I've done a bit with online tune entry, though I
haven't
| On another mailing list, John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| I wonder how many more musical mailing lists have tunes in archives?
|
| There must have been a few ABC notated tunes in the Scots-L archives.
| Would it be desirable/useful/easy/worthwhile to consider collecting
Wendy writes:
| I'm not a big fan of electronic tuners either - my favorite tuning device
| is a tuning fork.. no batteries to run down, and no annoying little needle
| jumping around alternately indicating both sharp and flat on the same string.
I'm not a fan of either, though I own
Toby writes:
| I know about piper's being opinionated, however I still think
| alot of fidder's are even *more* opinionated.
This is especially ironic considering the tuning situation within the
classical crowd. Standard classical teaching brings out the fact that
tempered tuning really
Jack Campin writes:
| [Tom Anderson]
| I don't have the full story, but I remember reading that there
| has been an ugly struggle over the rights of his music.
|
| If the Shetland Times has any say in the matter, don't expect them
| to hand over anything free of charge. Remember their lawsuit
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| ...it's on page 37. Here it is...
|
| Without intending to be aggressive or confrontational, I'm curious
| about your stance on this, John. It's a modern tune composed by a
| someone who has been dead well short of 70 years; it can be found in a
| currently available
David writes:
| I always wonder whether instruments have changed, or artists just
| couldn't draw them. I think the MOMI website (Museum of Musical
| Instruments) has some examples of the ambiguity of f-hole shapes, body
| lengths etc in old woodcuts.
In some historical circles, looking for
, and with the
somewhat unusual positioning of the pickup to the second part:
X: 1
T: The Silvery Voe
C: Tom Anderson 1966
B: Ringing Strings p.37
Z: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
N: When the full moon shines down on a Shetland voe in winter the sea appears to be
N: shining silver. Composed
Does anyone know of a site where I might find ABCs for Scottish tunes in
general, but especially for bagpipes? Or even just the sheet music? I've
found some of the more popular ones, but I'm looking for Bonawe Highlanders,
Captain Lumsden, and Donald's Return from the Wars-- can't find them
Nigel Gatherer (I think) wrote:
| John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Flowers, Ross (MTO) writes:
| | Aha! I see it - just before
|
| [Snip]
|
| Not fair, John, to attribute my genius to that plagiarist Flowers. ...
Sorry 'bout dat! It is amazingly easy to get such quotes wrong. It's
Flowers, Ross (MTO) writes:
| Aha! I see it - just before
| Dumfries House - good old Gore!
| A fine old reel (but that high c
| Does not endear the tune to me).
| So there you are, it might confuse;
| The song or reel, you have to choose
| If it's the former, let us know;
| If it's the latter,
Ian writes:
| Hi John,
| ... and I'd like to know (or be reminded occasionally) about others
| out there that I should link to.
|
| Okay. http://www.scottishdance.net/ - resources for Scottish Dance,
| (mainly SCD highland, with some ceilidh and general), including
| groups (including
| | I'm writing to you to announce the arrival of our web-site:
| | http://www.edinburgh-shetland-fiddlers.org
| | I would be grateful if you would provide a link to it from your site.
|
| Done. It's in my page of Scottish links at:
|
Philip Whittaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|
| Maybe there is something in this abc format I thought. So I tried a few
| tunes from the Calvert Collection of 1799(?). I tried all the features
| that were on offer and was very pleasantly surpised. I manged to notate
| just about everything I
David wrote:
| John Chambers wrote:
| Jack Campin writes:
| | Maybe the Kirghiz got it from Persia, but I can't see how any chain
| | of influence could have transmitted an instrument design from Persia
| | to Scotland in the Middle Ages either.
|
| Not much mystery there, actually
Jack Campin writes:
| Maybe the Kirghiz got it from Persia, but I can't see how any chain
| of influence could have transmitted an instrument design from Persia
| to Scotland in the Middle Ages either.
Not much mystery there, actually. The Norse were trading through
Russia down to the
David writes:
| I have my mother's old banjo tutor of Cowboy Songs from around 1930 and it's got the
| Streets of Laredo in there, definitely with a copyright on it, not bothered to check
|whose
| as the book is buried in a music stool somewhere. However you will not be playing it
|in
| the
| ... But, I've got the same problem with "The Bard" as I do
| with "The Rake": finding a copy of it with a pre-1927 date! I have a book
| here that claims the Bard was written in 1801 by Thomas Campbell, but I need
| some kind of "proof" of that. Even if it's a facsimile re-print of an old
|
Kate Dunlay wrote:
|
| I think for The Sailor's Wife Em is a more usual key than Dm.
|
| Not here it isn't - people play it in D minor or not at all (despite
| it being in print in E minor for well over a century).
|
| I have only heard it played in D minor as well.
There are 23 abc versions on
|
| All those Irish flute players try to put everything in D :-) The key of
| E is a beautiful key, especially on stringed instruments. Are you
| familiar with the tune "Cameron Chisholm's Strathspey", it's an
| excellent dark tune on E. It's fairly recently written. Unfortunately I
| don't
Andrew Catford wrote:
| unsubscribe
|
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| Nicolas B., Lanark writes:
Nah; I don't think I'll do that! I doubt if Nicolas will, either.
But you can if you like.
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Both of these illustrate my previous point, that some people (mostly
dance musicians in my experience) really like having the bar lines
and notes aligned. Their reason is that it makes the phrasing of the
music clearer, which improves readability. Meanwhile, others voice
strong objections
| I know there are several people on the list who typeset and publish
| Scottish music. What do you use for laying it out? What are the
| pros and cons?
Well, I only "publish" on the Web, but you might be interested. What
I have is a collection of music for Scottish Country Dance at
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