Re: [scots-l] Roman wall
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 05:37 AM, Matt Seattle wrote: Never done this before, but working by analogy from what you wrote, here goes - X: ? T:The Roman Wall M:6/8 L:1/8 Actually Matt, you did a great job. I like the changes you suggest. See! Abc ain't all that hard to read and write in. I'm not sure if I agree with your logical conclusion here... I'm aware of the Cape Breton 'same root' practice, but am more used to going from one key to another in medleys. The logical conclusion of the same root is to stick to one tune only and play variations - which I sometimes do when playing pipes... Or better stated, I guess the Cape Breton fiddle tradition hasn't evolved by logic What has evolved tho is that the fiddlers have to learn lots of tunes to be able to play twenty - thirty minute sets in the same root. Each tune is rarely played thru more than twice. And of course each scale root will its own huge set of tunes. The CB style is to learn the tune in the right way, leaving creation of variations to visitors from away. Thanks for the tune, John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] E Jig set (Calliope House)
On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Steve Wyrick wrote: Wow! Thanks to all for those suggestions. I'd rejected Andy Dejarlis, but oddly now that others have said it sounds good, when I go back and try it again it DOES fit fairly well. And it goes fairly well either before or after Calliope House. Skyeman's seems to fit fine but I haven't got the hang of the transition. And anyway my Cape Breton bias kicks in leads me toward the set all with the same root. So the set I'm playing now consists of Andy Dejarlis - Calliope House - Owney's Best. Those three seem to go together rather well in that order. I couldn't make Jack's Carfrae Frolic C#m jig work with any of 'em. (Or anything else for that matter!) But thanks for the suggestion I'm looking for but haven't found yet Matt's suggestion of the Northumbrian jig, The Roman Wall, a version of The Eavesdropper. Wish you'd learn abc (sigh!) It's so handy for sharing simple tunes. My search has just begun... but if anyone out there has the abc's, perhaps Nigel, I'd enjoy it. And Matt... Thanks for the chording suggestions. I'll try them on my guitar buddy. John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Roman wall + Eavesdropper.
On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 12:06 PM, Matt Seattle wrote:
which works well _before_
Calliope House is the Northumbrian jig The Roman Wall, a version of The
Eavesdropper. A young fiddler I accompany picked it up at the
Folkworks Summer
School from Peter Tickell (he'd learnt it from one of my books, The
Morpeth
Rant, not currently in print).
I found these with John Chambers Tune Finder. Are they the tunes you
refer to? I can't quite figure our how to transition to an E tune,
unless I transpose it to A. But I wanted to find out if these were the
tunes you meant. I At first listening I'm not sure I hear a close
relationship between these two tunes.
John
X: 65
T:The Roman Wall
T:Pete Coe tune No. 1
M:6/8
L:1/8
C:Pete Coe
R:Jig
N:http://www.lesession.co.uk
Z:Steve Mansfield 1998-2001
K:G
D|GFG BAG|Bdg dBG|cde dcA|DFAd2D|GFG BAG|Bdg dBG|cde dcA|DEFG2::
d|g2g fed|efg dBG|cde dcA|DFAd2d|g2g fed|efg dBG|cde dcB|DEFG2d|
g2gfed|efg dBG|cde dcA|DFAd2D|GFG BAG|Bdg dBG|cde dcA|DEFG2||
X:456
T:the Eavesdropper
R:Jig
O:Ireland
M:6/8
%%ID:0965
Z:Richard Robinson
URL:http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/contact.html
F: http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/gettune/0965.abc
K:G
E|\
DBB {c}BAG|Bdd {e}dBG|cde dBG|BAA ~AGE|\
DBB {c}BAG|Bdd {e}dBG|
cde dBA|BGF G2 ::\
d|\
g3 afd|efg dBG|
cde dBG|BAA A2d|\
gab afd|efg dBG|cde dBA|BGF G2:|
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[scots-l] E Jig set suggestions (Calliope House)
I need some suggestions for jigs to play with Dave Richardson's Calliope House. I've tried darn near every E and Em jig I know and can't find one that pairs well and transitions well to or from Calliope House. Any suggestions for me? Possibly is there an A jig that might fill the bill? Thanks, John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Scottish Trad Music Awards ceremony
Phil - Just to jog your memory the tune is Homage a Edmond Parizeau. Made by Marcel Messervier. Parizeau was a Quebecois fiddler. It's a cool tune John On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 03:46 PM, Philip Whittaker wrote: .The set included Catharis and a French Canadian Tune Homage a Edmond Par?. It's in A major, but they play it in A minor second time around and make Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Kirriemuir Festival
- MacArthur's Reel by I don't know who (a recent tune that goes into fiddle third position; heard it before as a party trick but Karen Hannah made a real piece of music out of it). Jack - Might this be MacArthur's Road Reel by Dave Richardson? He made it in E which requires reaching some very high notes Kinnon Beaton in Cape Breton plays it in D. You can find a gif image of the notation on Paul Cranford's site. http://www.cranfordpub.com You may have to use the site's search function to find it. John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #523
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[scots-l] Pet Peeves in the playing of certain tunes.
But Da Slocket Light *IS* a lament and should be played as one! My pet peeve is the way most fiddlers play Farewell to Whiskey here in New England. It's such a beautiful tune. Played here at sessions and at contra dances it comes out as a totally unrecognizable and fast reel rather than a lament. And it's usually transposed to a key other than Bb which in itself causes the tune to change to the worse. (Not many local fiddlers can even play in F much less in Bb!) My goodness, I can't think of a sadder and more lamentable event than the failure of the barley crop! And then astoundingly, nobody's even heard of Whiskey Welcome Back Again. John (Who happens to actually like Squirrel in the (F-g) Tree From: Nigel Gatherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another pet hate is Da Slockit Light which I regard as a lament. When our fiddlers get hold of it it becomes a jolly canter. I don't know how much of that is simply my feeling, or if others just think I'm being pernickety. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Maggie Cameron
Maggie Cameron isn't among my oft played tunes. If my memory serves me, I remember hearing someone play Coire an Lochan right after it. john Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tunes that go with Jean's reel
The version played by Natalie MacMaster Bonsoir, Which version of Jean's reel do you play after that? In F? BMcLeod? NMcMaster? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Tunes that go with Jean's reel
Dominique - If you are still looking for tunes that set well with Jean's Reel... My current preference is a set consisting of Charlie Lennon's air The Parting followed by Sheehan's and then Jean's Reel. I haven't yet found any good D(mix), D(dor) or D(min) tunes that fit together with Jean's quite as well as these do. I think they'd make an awesome set for a box player. Give it a try and let me know what you think. Cheers, John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tunes that go with Jean's reel
Yes and No.
The Sheehan's I know I learned in Cape Breton. It is basically the same as
what you found but I don't care for the B part in the version below. The
Parting you found in not the tune I use. The one I was taught is available
from Paul Cranford's site. I'll chase them down and post them here.
Cheers,
John
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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 21:32:10 +0100
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Subject: Re: [scots-l] Tunes that go with Jean's reel
X:1
T:Sheehan's Reel
M:C|
L:1/8
K:G
G2 BG DG BG|AB cA BG GB|AE AB cB cA|EA AG FD EF|
G2 BG AG Bd|cB AB cd ef|ge dB c2 Bc|dB cA BG G2 :|
g2 bg dg bg|gb ag fd de|=f2 af df af|gb ag =fd d^f|
g2 bg dg bg|gb ag fd ef|(3gfe dB c2 Bc|dB cA BG G2 :|
X: 127
T:Parting of Friends, The (Henrik Norbeck ABC)
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/4=80
R:slow air
Z:Henrik Norbeck
K:Edor
B2 d | e3f/e/ de/f/ | g3g/ fzf/ | e2f/e/ de/f/ g2a/b/ | a/f3 e2f/e/ dB/
|
e2 e2 e2f/e/ dB/ | e2e B2d | f2g {fgfgfg}f2e2 | e8 ||
B2 B | e4{a}ef/e/ dB/A/ | Bf3 e2f/e/ dA | BE4 E/F/ | G4A//G//F//
G//A//B//c// |
d4c/d/ BB/A/ | F3 F//E//D// E3 F//E//D// | EF2 FE/D/
E//F//E//D//E//F//D// | E8 ||
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Re: [scots-l] Tunes that go with Jean's reel
Dominique: These are the tunes I use ... X:1 T:The Parting C:Charlie Lennon M:C| L:1/8 Q:175 R:Slow air D:Don't know of a recording of this tune. Z:Paul Cranford's Site K:G D2|GFGA B2 g2|f2 a2 g2 B2|c2 ecB2 dB|cBAG dA D2| E2 FG FGA2|B2 g2f2 B2|c2 Bc d3d|d6:| d2|g4 g2 (3gab|a3g f2 B2|e2 E2 d2B2|cBAG dA D2| E2 FG FG A2|B2 g2 e2 B2| c2 Bc d3 d|d6 d2| b3 a g2 (3gab|a3 g f2 B2|e2 E2 d2 B2|cBAG dA D2| E2 FG AGFE|D2 g2 e2 B2|c2 Bcd3 d|d6|| X:71 T:Sheehan's Reel T:Wellington's Reel A:Irish (Cape Breton Setting) S:David Greenberg/John Erdman D:Natalie MacMaster - Fit as a Fiddle M:C| E:7 R:reel K:G GG2 BG DGBG | DABcA GBGGB | AmA^GAB cAB=G | EAAG DFDEF| GG2 BG DGBd | CcBAB Dcdef | GgedB Cc/c/c Bc | DdBcA GBG G2 :| Gg2 bg dgbg | gbag fdde | Df2 af dfaf | gbag fdef| Gg/g/g bg dgbg | gbag Dfdef |GgedB Cc/c/c Bc | DdBcA GBGG2 :| Cheers, John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Phil Cunningham's Reel (answer)
I had asked: Can any one tell me the name of the Phil Cunningham tune Sharon Shannon plays on that cut. I've heard it before, but don't know it's name. A brief search of the abc index turned it up. It's Phil's The Girls At Martinfield Great tune and it goes well with Jeans Reel. Cheers, John Yeah, Natalie learned Jean's reel from Sharon Shannon. I believe she also learned The Greenfields of Glentown from Sharon Shannon. Ashley MacIsaac also plays the Greenfields, I however I believe he might have learned it from Ciaran Tourish. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jean's reel? (More)
Derek - I did go to that web site. There's no mention of Jeans Reel anywhere. John Go to http://www.bobbymacleod.co.uk and read all about him. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek Hoy) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:36 + (GMT Standard Time) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scots-l] Jean's reel? (More) John wrote: So who is is Bobby MacFerrin? Will the REAL composer of Jeans Reel please step forward. (Isn't there a Bobby MacFerrin who is known for imitating orchestral instruments with his mouth). That's wrong- it's MacLeod's tune. See the web site in my other message. Derek Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jean's reel? (More)
From: Toby Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Natalie's version you have to watch yourself, if I remember correctly, there's a quick shift up into 3rd position on the fiddle. Oops. I guess I hadn't found that at least not in the version that Dominique shared. It seems to work out just fine for me in the first position. Other than getting the timing of the rolls right, the only problem I have is hitting the quick Bb's cleanly in the second turn on the last time thru. i.e. K:G gBdg _Bdg=B|dg_Bd g=Bdg|fdda fdaf|~g3a baga|! (3bag gf gfe^d|efgf edBd|d2 Bd gedB|AGFA G2||! John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jean's reel?
Domnique - Fraid I don't know the answers to your questions. But That's one cool tune. It even sounds pretty good in Barfly and that's rare. It must be awesome when played by a fiddler or on a button accordion. Do you know of recordings of this tune? Thanks, John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Nathaniel Gow
I usually follow Jessie Smith with a John Campbell strathspey Paulette Bissonnette and then several D reels always beginning with A Taste of Gaelic they seem to go together well. John -- From: Nigel Gatherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scots-l] Re: Nathaniel Gow Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2002, 3:01 AM Kate Dunlay wrote: Nice website Nigel. I have never taken the time to really explore it but I certainly will now. Thanks, Kate. It will always be a work in progress, but it keeps me off the streets. Do you play any reels in D after Miss Jessie Smith? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: J. Scott Skinners new CD
Can't you mathematically 'correct for' poor cylinder speed control to get an idea of what speed he was playing at?. Seems that if you know the info about the apparent pitch and the apparent tempo, and one makes a few basics assumptions: such as the tune should be played in the key of ?? and the standard tuning of that was was A= 440? then one could fairly easily calculate that actual tempo he was playing at. Trouble is you'd have to be really far off in the cylinder speed and/or tuning to have much of an effect on the tempo. I've a hunch that Skinner recorded with today's technology would still sound fast. At least that's the sense I get from my reading about him and his playing. John -- From: Kate Dunlay or David Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scots-l] Re: J. Scott Skinners new CD Date: Fri, Nov 22, 2002, 9:35 AM I like the album as a historical document, to hear how Skinner played, what he played, what speed he played at, and so on. I have that old vinyl LP also. You can't actually tell at what speed Skinner played from the LP because, although it may have faithfully reproduced the cylinders are whatever, those didn't play at the right speed either. I mean, he just didn't play as fast as some of those cuts go. I am fairly sure of that because the key of the music is not correct in at least the one case I checked. I don't believe he would have been tuned so extra high or played the pieces in the wrong key PLUS played way too fast. The most sensible explanation is that the cylinder/record just went too fast at playback (or maybe even too slow when recording?). Also, I think they were purposefully trying to fit a lot on one cylinder/record. - Kate -- http://www.DunGreenMusic.com Halifax, Nova Scotia Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Valse Eccossaise
Put it in 6/8 and you'll immediately recognize it as Leaving Lismore. note for note. Now has anyone recognized the Mairi Rankin/Ian MacDougal tune I'm wondering about that is posted at the www.Redshoepub.com? Cheers, John -- From: Nigel Gatherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Scots-L Posting [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scots-l] Valse Eccossaise Date: Mon, Nov 18, 2002, 9:59 AM X:450 T:Valse Eccossaise S:Cathy Boyer Z:Nigel Gatherer M:3/4 L:1/4 K:D DEF | A2d | BAF | AFE | DEF | A2A | BAF | E2 A, | DEF | A2d | BAF | A3 | ABd | F2E | F/E/ D2 | D3 :| dcd | B2A | BAF | A3 | dcd | B2A | BAF | E3| dcd | B2A | BAF | A3 | ABd | F2E | F/E/ D2 | D3| dcd | B2A | BAF | A3 | dcd | B2A | BAF | E3| DEF | A2d | BAF | A3 | ABd | F2E | F/E/ D2 | D3 |] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Help ID a tune in an Realaudio file, please
Toby - Thanks for the suggestion...but alas I'm one of those sicko's that still likes his Mac. I've been looking for a way to snag .ra files, but I'm afraid that those .exe files won't run on my machine. Is there someone out theree who could capture that .ra file and convert it to the .mp3 for me? http://www.redshoepub.com/audio/MairiRankin2.ram http://rawavrecorder.homestead.com/ Thanks, John -- From: Toby Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scots-l] Re: Help ID a tune in an Realaudio file, please John, use this free program to convert .ram files into mp3s. If Nigel can't listen to mp3's on his computer, then it's time to get a new machine :-) http://rawavrecorder.homestead.com/ John Erdman wrote: The tune can be heard at: http://www.redshoepub.com/audio/MairiRankin2.ram Alas, I can't listen to RealAudio. Can it be rendered in any other format? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Aragon tune
Manuel - Now that's a happy tune!. I knowing nothing of the Aragonese traditions but my ear tells me the D's ought to be flatted making it the key of Ab rather than Cm. (And the meter as 4/4 rather than 6/8). Do you stand by your original or might this be more like the tune should sound? X:1 T: Tatero O: Aragon L:1/8 M:4/4 K:Ab E2|A2 cB A2 ce|fefg a2 af|e2 c2 dcBA c2 B2 B2 cB| A2 cB A2 ce|fefg a2 af|eagf edcB|c2 A2 A2|| e2|a2 ed cB A2|dcde f3 e|a2 e2 efec|d2 B2 B3 e| a2 ed cB A2|dcde f3 d|eagf edcB|c2 A2 A2|] Cheers, John T: Tatero O: Aragon L:1/8 M:6/8 K:Cmin E2|A2 cB A2 ce|fefg a2 af|e2 c2 dcBA c2 B2 B2 cB| A2 cB A2 ce|fefg a2 af|eagf edcB|c2 A2 A2|| e2|a2 ed cB A2|dcde f3 e|a2 e2 efec|d2 B2 B3 e| a2 ed cB A2|dcde f3 d|eagf edcB|c2 A2 A2|] Manuel Waldesco Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Slow air ID Russ Memorial Hospital
At a Cape Breton house party last week I heard lovely slow air that I'd like to learn to play. The environment was a bit noisy and the best I could make out, it was entitled The Russ Memorial Hospital or something close to that. There was some connection with Phil Cunningham. I don't know if he wrote it, but I did understand that he was hospitalized there after his heart attack and that he met his future wife there at the time. Does this strike a bell with anyone? What is the correct title? What CD might have a recording of it? Any musical notation available? Thanks, John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Holm Band Jig/Lake on the Mountain
The holm band jig (orkney) Some say the devil is dead Lake on the Mountain (Graham Townsed) I 'm always interested in hearing tunes others find to be their current favorites. These three I've never heard of. Are abc's available for them? I was able to find the reel below but not the others. X:22 T:Some Say the Devil's Dead C:trad. M:4/4 I:speed 250 K:G |:D2DE GABA | GEED GEE2 | D2DE GABc | dedB A2G2 :| |:B2BA Bcd2 | e2ed efg2 | B2BA BcdB |GABG (3ABA G2 :| Cheers, John Erdman Maine Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] The Connoisseur, Sir Harry
Kate - That strathspey is also reproduced in The Caledonian Companion on p54. key of G. There is a lot of bio info about Peter Hardie (c1775 to 1863). He lived in Dunkeld, Pertshire. He's best remembered as a violin maker. But apparently he had composing talents as well. If you don't have the book I can send you a transcription off list. Cheers, John Also, who is Peter Hardie, composer of Sir Harry's Welcome Home? The title is from Natalie MacMaster's recording of the tune, but I have not seen it in a book anywhere. In one of the Cranford Publication books the title is The Thistle. - Kate D. -- Kate Dunlay David Greenberg Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] The Unfortunate Rake
FWIW - The tune you provided below is not the same as the version provided in any of the Lomax references I have. The same tune, of course, but your's in more "musically complex" than either of the Lomax's. John X:01 T:Streets of Laredo B: Z: M:3/4 L:1/8 K:G D|d4 c B|c2 d3 c |B2 A2 G2 |F2 D3 D | G4 F G | A2 B3 c | B2 A2 G2 | A4 D2 | d2 ed cB | c2 d3 c | B2 A2 G2 | F2 D2 D2 | G4 F G | A2 d3 c | B2 G2 A2 | G4 |] -- 90 Trefethen Ave Peaks Island, ME 04108 Tel 207-766-5797 Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] The Unfortunate Rake
Cynthia - Here's what I found in my library. I have two books with the tune and words in them. The one with the most info is "Best Loved American Folk Songs" by Alan and John Lomax published in 1947. The other is a Alan Lomax book published in 1960, "Folk Songs of North America" Here's a transcript of the text from the first book describing "The Streets of Laredo". quote After "The Chisholm Trail" the most popular Western ballad is the story of the young cowboy who rode the familiar road from rum to ruin. The hundred-odd examples of this ballad in my collection have located the scene of the cowbow's death in almost as many Western towns. As a matter of fact , the young man died in the British Isles, not of gunshot wounds, but of syphilis. Whereupon all the gay ladies of the town, grateful for his generousity to them, followed his coffin to the cemetery. We have one Irish version sung in Cork about the year 1790 which identifies the young man as a soldier and has him take his last journey with the ruffle of military drums: My jewel, my joy, don't trouble me with the drums, Sound the dead march as my corpse goes along; And over my body throw handfuls of laurel, And let them all know that I'm going to my rest. An early English version discovers the "unfortunate lad down by Lock Hospital, wrapped in flannel, so hard was his fate." Here the balladeer goes into medical details: Had she but told me when she disordered me, Had she but told me of it in time, I might have got salts and pills of white mercury, But now I'm cut down in the height of my Prime. Apparently the grim message of thios ballad suited your moralizing folk-singer so well that a warning to young ladies was soon composed. This variant, current in England, is also known to United States singers and begins, in one form: One morning, one morning, one morning in May, I spied a young lady all clad in white linen, All clad in white linen and as cold as the clay. When I was a young girl, I used to see pleasure, When I was a young girl, I used to drink ale, Right out of the ale-house, and into the jail-house, Out of the barroom and down to my grave. Go send for the preacher to come and pray for me, Go send for the doctor to heal up my wounds, My poor head is aching, my sad heart is breaking, My body's salivated and Hell is my doom. end quote The text then goes on to show how the words ultimately morphed into the words for the St James Infirmary Blues. The Alan Lomax version in the later book (1960), the tune is entitled "The Dying Cowboy" and references the 1910 Lomax collection "Cowboy Songs". The tune is slightly different and in a differnt key than the one in the 1947 book. It also suggests that the tune is known as "One Morning in May" in non-cowboy circles. Cynthia, if you are interested in photocopies of these pages please contact me off-list with your mailing address. It's so obvious that this tune and words are part of the folk tradition, it's quite astounding (and absurd) to me that someone would have the chutzpah to claim these tunes and words. Further the cost to someone to "enforce" such a ridiculous claim against what will undoubtably be a "modest" publication wouldn't be worth it. I'm certainly not an expert in these matters but I believe that the tune in a setting you made specifically for the clairsach would be copyrightable **by you**. Also if you need to include words, to use whatever verson you'd like to but to footnote and reference the source as in a scholarly journal. Hope this is useful, John That tune is known in America as "the Streets of Laredo". Someone here claims copyright to those words and the familiar melody (also used for the Bard of Armagh) and that someone will not allow me permission to use it if I sell the book outside of the U.S., which as a book for the CLARSACH I most certainly want to do! (All the other tunes in the book are public domain.) The ancestor of this song is "The Unfortunate Rake". I have been trying to find a citation for that song, and for the melody. My research indicates that it was published as a broadside in London in 1790, but I can't find any copy of that. Does anyone know an early printing of this melody? Early words, that pre-date the American ones? Any ideas or leads will be VERY welcome. I want to go to press so I can get this project off my desk, and move on to the next one! -- 90 Trefethen Ave Peaks Island, ME 04108 Tel 207-766-5797 Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] The Unfortunate Rake
That tune is known in America as "the Streets of Laredo". Someone here claims copyright to those words and the familiar melody (also used for the Bard of Armagh) and that someone will not allow me permission to use it if I sell the book outside of the U.S., which as a book for the CLARSACH I most certainly want to do! (All the other tunes in the book are public domain.) Cynthia - I'm really really surprised that someone actually claims this song.. And that the claim would deter you. I seem to recall that I first came across the tune and words for the Streets of Laredo" in an old John/Allan Lomax book and it had to have been collected some time before that. I didn't think there'd be any tunes in those collections that would be copyrightable. After all, they were pirated by the Lomaxes. :-) I'll have to go dig in my books in storage to find what I'm remembering. Maybe there's even a reference to the Unfortunate Rake. I'll look tomorrow. John -- 90 Trefethen Ave Peaks Island, ME 04108 Tel 207-766-5797 Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Balnain House again
Derek said: I see the workshops were organised by the Balnain House management. Hmmm. Speaking of Balnain House... is there an recent news about what's gonna happen there? We had a bit of a discussion about it here in November. I know they closed a short while back. But when I was in Inverness over Christmas, a local who took us for a walk about town mentioned that there was still hope that the musical activities sponsored there might be continued elsewhere. He couldn't provide any details however. Any truth in this? Cheers, John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Celtic Connections Festival Workshops?
When I looked over the multipage ad flyer that was sent out listing all the performers and events at the Glasgow Celtic Connections, I was VERY surprised to note that tho there were lots of fiddlers performing there wasn't a single fiddle workshop!!! Yes, I believe there was a tune workshop but that invited ANY instruments that cared to attend.. and there they include accordions as an instrument of tradition!! Seemed like it woulda have been very appropriate to have some workshops on traditional fiddle music! John Just been looking at the workshops for the Celtic Connections festival in Glasgow- on the noo. Oh my. I thought that new-agey misty mountain celtic stuff only afflicted us here in the US. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
