Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:54 PM, John Watlington wrote: > If you aren't going to place school servers in the actual schools, > and insist on > centralizing them, the hardware recommended by Sameer is a good idea. +1 -- also, Dev Moharty's suggestion is good: run one XS for each school in your cen

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-10 Thread John Watlington
If you aren't going to place school servers in the actual schools, and insist on centralizing them, the hardware recommended by Sameer is a good idea. My argument has always been that you want local web caching and content, and that an XS shouldn't be that much more expensive than the above h

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-10 Thread Sameer Verma
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 21:51 -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Bryan Berry wrote: >> > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:58 +1300, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: >> >> > I am

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-10 Thread Sameer Verma
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/3/10 Reuben K. Caron : >> Have you tried loading a different firmware on these, dd-wrt? > > No, but there are regulatory issues there and we won't be using them > in the schools...only used them because it was the only thing > available t

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-10 Thread Dev Mohanty
> > > > *From:* server-devel-boun...@lists.laptop.org [mailto: > server-devel-boun...@lists.laptop.org] *On Behalf Of *Reuben K. Caron > *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 March 2009 11:29 PM > *To:* Daniel Drake > *Cc:* server-devel > *Subject:* Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-10 Thread Rangan Srikhanta
, 10 March 2009 11:29 PM To: Daniel Drake Cc: server-devel Subject: Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare? Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/3/9 Bryan Berry <mailto:br...@olenepal.org> : We will have roughly 8+ AP's. We have found that of

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-10 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/3/10 Reuben K. Caron : > Have you tried loading a different firmware on these, dd-wrt? No, but there are regulatory issues there and we won't be using them in the schools...only used them because it was the only thing available to run tests with. The exact model is Linksys WRT54Gv8. You'd th

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-10 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/3/9 Bryan Berry : We will have roughly 8+ AP's. We have found that off-the-shelf AP's can handle around 60-70 users. But that doesn't still doesn't solve the problem of the XO's getting bogged down by tons of ejabberd chatter. DSD: do you have any ideas about this?

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-09 Thread Sameer Verma
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Bryan Berry wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:58 +1300, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: >> > I am worried about the XO's and not the XS. >> >> Now you're starting to see what I've seen :-/ I also worry about your >> APs

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-09 Thread Bryan Berry
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 22:36 -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/3/9 Bryan Berry : > > We will have roughly 8+ AP's. We have found that off-the-shelf AP's can > > handle around 60-70 users. But that doesn't still doesn't solve the > > problem of the XO's getting bogged down by tons of ejabberd chatte

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-09 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/3/9 Bryan Berry : > We will have roughly 8+ AP's. We have found that off-the-shelf AP's can > handle around 60-70 users.  But that doesn't still doesn't solve the > problem of the XO's getting bogged down by tons of ejabberd chatter. > > DSD: do you have any ideas about this? Have only had a

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-09 Thread Bryan Berry
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:58 +1300, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: > > I am worried about the XO's and not the XS. > > Now you're starting to see what I've seen :-/ I also worry about your > APs and networking infra -- to support 400 active users you'l

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: > I am worried about the XO's and not the XS. Now you're starting to see what I've seen :-/ I also worry about your APs and networking infra -- to support 400 active users you'll want at least 8 APs. In more realistic terms, you'll probably need

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-08 Thread Dev Mohanty
Bryan I assume, this is in reference with the deployment planned at the new schools, and guess am more then familiar with admin workload and power limitations you happen to mention in Nepal. Hence was wondering if you've looked into the option of using more then one XS, installed at the same locat

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-08 Thread Bryan Berry
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 22:36 +1300, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Bryan Berry wrote: > > But 200-300 users could be online at once. I think it will be too > > complicated to tell some of them: "Don't connect to the AP right now, > > you may overwhelm ejabberd" > > Give e

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > And you make the Nepal deployment less useful to me too :-(  -- you'll > probably have to setup routing and other things on the XS so that > you'll have to carefully debug it to ensure it's not your network > setup before reporting it here.

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Bryan Berry wrote: > But 200-300 users could be online at once. I think it will be too > complicated to tell some of them: "Don't connect to the AP right now, > you may overwhelm ejabberd" Give ejabberd enough RAM and it won't be a problem. The rest of your infrast

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-07 Thread Bryan Berry
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 13:33 +1300, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Bryan, > > I'm on the road, apologies if I'm a bit succint... > > - 400 users are unlikely to be online at the same time, supporting > all users online at the same time will stress all the infra, so the > path to success is, I suspect,

Re: [Server-devel] Serving 400+ students w/ a single central XS - ejabberd nightmare?

2009-03-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
Bryan, I'm on the road, apologies if I'm a bit succint... - 400 users are unlikely to be online at the same time, supporting all users online at the same time will stress all the infra, so the path to success is, I suspect, paved with strategies to define usage patterns that avoid clustering eve