Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-21 Thread David Mandelberg
The prefix-to-AS mappings used by the BGP speaker are expected to be updated over time. When a mapping is added or deleted, the implementation MUST re-validate any affected prefixes. An affected prefix is any prefix that was matched by a deleted or updated mapping, or could be

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-14 Thread George, Wes
-Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:03 PM you want the inclusive or, if any one matches it's Valid. otherwise, you can not do a make-before-break provider switch, for example. as to the matching rules, i have extracted a few

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-14 Thread Sriram, Kotikalapudi
We observe that a Route can be Matched or Covered by more than one ROA. This procedure does not mandate an order in which ROAs must be visited; however, the validation state output is fully determined. Is there guidance on this in one of the other documents? If so, please reference it

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-14 Thread George, Wes
-Original Message- From: Pradosh Mohapatra [mailto:pmoha...@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:07 PM To: George, Wes Cc: internet-dra...@ietf.org; i-d-annou...@ietf.org; sidr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt In section 2

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-13 Thread Joel jaeggli
sorry I normally follow sidr on the archive... To: sidr wg list sidr at ietf.org Subject: Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt From: Randy Bush randy at psg.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:35:57 +0900 Delivered-to: sidr at ietfa.amsl.com In-reply

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-13 Thread Hannes Gredler
On Mar 13, 2012, at 2:27 AM, Randy Bush wrote: o a prefix against which validation has not been run (no validation at all or some knob turned off) should not be marked Valid. that would be a lie. it should be marked NotFound. FWIW - the JUNOS implementation has got this 4th state,

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-13 Thread Randy Bush
Unverified is the default state for all prefixes … so if you do fall off the end then the system will set it to its default values. the only problem i see with this is that, if i do not test for it in policy, i will fall off the end. term unknown { from {

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-13 Thread George, Wes
Not replying to a specific message, since I'm replying to several issues simultaneously. In section 2: No ROA can match an origin AS number of NONE. No Route can match a ROA whose origin AS number is zero. I'm wondering if there should be a 2119 normative or two in there? This

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-13 Thread Hannes Gredler
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:16:42PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: | Unverified is the default state for all prefixes … so if you do fall | off the end then the system will set it to its default values. | the only problem i see with this is that, if i do not test for it in | policy, i will fall off

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-13 Thread Pradosh Mohapatra
Hi Wes, In section 2: No ROA can match an origin AS number of NONE. No Route can match a ROA whose origin AS number is zero. I'm wondering if there should be a 2119 normative or two in there? This sounds like a validation instruction. (eg MUST/SHOULD declare prefixes covered by

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-13 Thread Randy Bush
We observe that a Route can be Matched or Covered by more than one ROA. This procedure does not mandate an order in which ROAs must be visited; however, the validation state output is fully determined. Is there guidance on this in one of the other documents? If so, please reference it

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-13 Thread Jay Borkenhagen
I also have some problems with aspects of the draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt draft, particularly this bit from Section 2: When a BGP speaker receives an UPDATE from one of its EBGP peers, it SHOULD perform a lookup as described above for each of the Routes in the UPDATE message.

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-12 Thread Randy Bush
i have two serious disagreements with this draft. o a prefix against which validation has not been run (no validation at all or some knob turned off) should not be marked Valid. that would be a lie. it should be marked NotFound. o routes learned by ibgp and routes originated on

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-12 Thread Jakob Heitz
-Original Message- From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:sidr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:36 PM To: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt i have two serious disagreements with this draft. o a prefix

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-12 Thread Hannes Gredler
On Mar 13, 2012, at 12:35 AM, Randy Bush wrote: o a prefix against which validation has not been run (no validation at all or some knob turned off) should not be marked Valid. that would be a lie. it should be marked NotFound. FWIW - the JUNOS implementation has got this 4th state,

Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-04.txt

2012-03-12 Thread Randy Bush
o a prefix against which validation has not been run (no validation at all or some knob turned off) should not be marked Valid. that would be a lie. it should be marked NotFound. FWIW - the JUNOS implementation has got this 4th state, called Unverified. the only problem i see with