Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-03-26 Thread George Odagi
Hi Jordi, Thanks for your patience with this. We have some stats (from the last 15 years) for members with ISP industry type who have received at least one portable IPv4 allocation and IPv6 assignment: 2005: 1 2008: 2 2011: 2 2012: 1 2013: 4 2014: 8 2015: 3 2016: 13 2017: 12 2018: 13 2019: 102

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-03-03 Thread George Odagi
Hi Jordi, Generally speaking - when a LIR (such as an ISP) receives an allocation, they can use those IPs for their infrastructure as well as for their customers. While most LIRs do this, we have received IP assignment requests for reasons such as multihoming their new POPs. Once we make an

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-25 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi Sunny, I'm mainly interested in the assignments to ISP infrastructure, as the others are different cases, and clearly are "end-users". The point is to understand if there is really a need for ISPs to get additional assignments, why they can't do it already from their own allocation. Any

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-25 Thread Srinivas Chendi
Hi Jordi, On 24/02/2020 1:39 pm, Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi wrote: >> >> One more request for the secretariat. Could you please provide stats >> on the number of ISP (not end-users) assignments, for example in the >> last 12-15 years, in order to understand if this is a real requirement? > >

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi Sunny, all, Let me try to clarify. 2.2.3 mention "address space that is delegated to an LIR" ... "for specific use within the Internet infrastructure they operate". Let's put aside, for the moment, the end-user case. If you read 9.2. Initial IPv6 allocations and 10.0. IPv6 assignments,

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-23 Thread Srinivas Chendi
Hello Jordi, On 22/02/2020 2:20 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Hi all, > > After my previous response to Owen, I can't find anymore any the text in the > actual policy (neither guidelines) about assignments. So, I'm wondering if I > was wrong, or it has been removed at some point and I

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-23 Thread Srinivas Chendi
Hi Jordi, On 21/02/2020 3:20 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Thanks Bertrand, > > I’m fine as well with this option. Repeating it here: > > "Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or > end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the >

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-22 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
my mobile. From: sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 1:20:59 PM To: mailman_SIG-policy Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments Hi all, After my previous response to Owen, I can't find a

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-21 Thread Sanjaya Sanjaya
PM To: mailman_SIG-policy Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments Hi all, After my previous response to Owen, I can't find anymore any the text in the actual policy (neither guidelines) about assignments. So, I'm wondering if I was wrong, or it has been removed

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-21 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi all, After my previous response to Owen, I can't find anymore any the text in the actual policy (neither guidelines) about assignments. So, I'm wondering if I was wrong, or it has been removed at some point and I don't recall it ... Could the secretariat point out to the specific text

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-21 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi Owen, APNIC policy allows ISPs to get, in addition to the allocation, an assignment for their infrastructure. I don’t think this is needed and I recall it doesn’t longer exist in other RIRs. May be is something else to consider and to amend as well. The issue we are having, is

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-21 Thread Owen DeLong
Assigned address space isn’t generally delegated to LIRs,… It’s generally delegated to end-users. Address space delegated to LIRs may then be reassigned by the LIR to itself for internal purposes. Unless there’s a case where an LIR is receiving an assignment instead of an allocation, I think

Re: [sig-policy] prop-133: Clarification on Sub-Assignments

2020-02-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Thanks Bertrand, I’m fine as well with this option. Repeating it here: "Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned". Could the