[silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Nandkumar Saravade
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Editorial/Mobs_on_the_rampage/articleshow/2337938.cms

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Amit Varma
I don't know why CP invokes a vengefully consumerist society for what is a failure of the rule of law. For what it's worth, I'd also written on the subject a while back: http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/mobs-are-above-the-law/ On 9/5/07, Nandkumar Saravade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Gautam John
On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why CP invokes a vengefully consumerist society for what is a failure of the rule of law. Because the mobs represent[ing] the Indians left out from the movement forward.

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Amit Varma
On 9/5/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why CP invokes a vengefully consumerist society for what is a failure of the rule of law. Because the mobs represent[ing] the Indians left out from the movement forward. By

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Gautam John
On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what is a vengefully consumerist society? They buy consumer goods with a vengeance?

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread ashok _
On 9/5/07, Amit Varma wrote: And what is a vengefully consumerist society? Even if you can be consumerist -- I regard that as a bogeyman term -- how can you be vengeful about it? Unthinking jargon, this. Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the writer of the

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Gautam John
On 9/5/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the Jargon is terminology, is it not? And the use of jargon doesn't devalue the context, per se. It only pre-supposes a familiarity with the subject.

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Amit Varma
I only have an issue with jargon if it's meaningless. 'Vengefully consumerist' is just that, on multiple levels. Mob violence can have various reasons, and to ascribe any one would be simplistic. I'm invoking the failure of the rule of law to explain why mobs get a greater license in India to do

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Deepa Mohan
Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled the Wiki, this is my personal opinion) is. high-falutin' words used to impress and intimidate the listener with the user's familiarity with a subject, when the same thing can be expressed in simpler

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Abhishek Hazra
For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions.. aah.. deepa, please share urls :) where can i read the patina of incredibiliousness? On 9/5/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Deepa Mohan said the following on 05/09/2007 15:48: recently read about the patina of incredibiliousness in someone's work, I kid you not. No, neither the artist nor the reviewer suffered bad digestion..but I certainly found that word very hard

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Abhishek Hazra
Marta Jakimowicz has been writing for deccan herald for quite some time now http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Jul102007/arts2007071011979.asp On 9/5/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Deepa Mohan said the following on

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Abhishek Hazra
you can try John Berger's writings on art, for a wonderfully non-jargon yet critical and intelligent approach Art and Revolution, Ways of Seeing, Success and Failure of Picasso On 9/5/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Deepa

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Deepa Mohan wrote: [ on 05:18 PM 9/5/2007 ] Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled the Wiki, this is my personal opinion) is. high-falutin' words used to impress and intimidate the listener with the user's familiarity with a subject, when the

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Deepa Mohan
Udhay wrote: It is not always possible to express the same thing in simpler terms, though. Well, U, in that case, using hfw is not jargon. Jargon is *unnecessary* multisyllabification. Deepa. On 9/5/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deepa Mohan wrote: [ on 05:18 PM 9/5/2007 ]

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Deepa Mohan
On 9/5/07, Abhishek Hazra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions.. aah.. deepa, please share urls :) where can i read the patina of incredibiliousness? I have the physical copy somewhere...but I don't think it's online, this was some

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Abhishek Hazra
great! ;-) please do. eagerly awaiting death by laughter On 9/5/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, Abhishek Hazra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions.. aah.. deepa, please share urls :) where can i read the

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Udhay Shankar N
At 06:23 PM 9/5/2007, Deepa Mohan wrote: Udhay wrote: It is not always possible to express the same thing in simpler terms, though. Well, U, in that case, using hfw is not jargon. Jargon is *unnecessary* multisyllabification. As decided by? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Deepa Mohan wrote: [ on 06:58 PM 9/5/2007 ] Well, U, in that case, using hfw is not jargon. Jargon is *unnecessary* multisyllabification. As decided by? Since it's my opinion..decided by ME! QED. (unless, of course, that is considered jargon.) Udhay PS: if you must have it underlined

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread shiv sastry
On Wednesday 05 Sep 2007 2:33 pm, Nandkumar Saravade wrote: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Editorial/Mobs_on_the_rampage/articlesho w/2337938.cms Here are some Googled figures that tell their own story http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pol_percap-crime-police-per-capita Also check this

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Dave Long
If India even wanted to achieve 2 policemen per thousand we would have to recruit more than one million more policemen. According to this graph, maybe one could recruit maths teachers instead: http://www.nationmaster.com/plot/cri_pol_percap/edu_mat_lit/flag but then, I suppose they'd be

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Amit Varma
Going back to jargon for a moment, it can either be useful shorthand among those knowledgeable about a particular subject, or it can be a sign of intellectual laziness, or even dishonesty. Much postmodernism falls in the latter category -- if you haven't already, do read Richard Dawkins's review

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Abhishek Hazra
ahhh. sokal. :) the sokal debate reached indian shores too. there was a correspondence between sokal and a bombay academic on the pages of EPW On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going back to jargon for a moment, it can either be useful shorthand among those knowledgeable about a

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread shiv sastry
On Wednesday 05 Sep 2007 9:57 pm, Dave Long wrote: According to this graph, maybe one could recruit maths teachers instead: http://www.nationmaster.com/plot/cri_pol_percap/edu_mat_lit/flag but then, I suppose they'd be even more expensive than policemen. It's not either-or. Its BOTH One of

Re: [silk] Mobs on the rampage

2007-09-05 Thread Gautam John
Brings to mind this earlier thread: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/19168