On 24-Nov-09 2:59 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote:
Just came across this article [1] which talks about the accelerating decline
in the number of contributors. Whats interesting is the reason, that it is
turning out to be a hostile environment due to the amount of debate
required. Quite
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 02:59:27PM +0530, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote:
Just came across this article [1] which talks about the accelerating
decline
in the number of contributors. Whats interesting is the reason, that it
is
turning out to be a hostile environment due to the amount of debate
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 05:25:09PM +0530, Supriya Nair wrote:
So is Wales just putting up a brave front?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/6660646/Wikipedias-Jimmy-Wales-denies-site-is-losing-thousands-of-volunteer-editors.html
It doesn't matter what he says, it matters what
Just came across this article [1] which talks about the accelerating decline
in the number of contributors. Whats interesting is the reason, that it is
turning out to be a hostile environment due to the amount of debate
required. Quite depressing, for me at least.
Kiran
[1]
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan
kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote:
Just came across this article [1] which talks about the accelerating decline
in the number of contributors. Whats interesting is the reason, that it is
turning out to be a hostile environment due to the
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 02:59:27PM +0530, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote:
Just came across this article [1] which talks about the accelerating decline
Not a new phenomenon. The German Wikipedia actually commited a PR
seppuku in the last couple months. I hope the fork
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 1:08 pm, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
By carrying that statement to its logical end, I'd say Hindus are not
alone - the Muslims fear being dubbed hardcore radicals if they wear
traditional Islamic attire, and the Christians fear being termed as
proselytizing missionaries
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 1:10 pm, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
I'm an atheist, sometimes militantly so, and I have several friends who
are openly religiously Hindu. No one, to my knowledge, has ever
suggested that they are right-wing Hindus.
Your friends are lucky, because they would be dubbed
Perhaps I am taking the analogy too far (but maybe I am not) but in
India the
criticism faced by a Hindu is practically the same whether he kills a
Collective guilt? Well, I don't know. Nothing short of public apathy - and
a latent hatred of muslims - would have made conditions ripe for
On Dec 10, 2007 12:28 PM, shiv sastry wrote:
A far larger percentage of Hindus and Christians in the West are likely to
behave secular and deny religious belief than Muslims.
Where do you get such information? i know very many expatriate / people-of-
indian origin muslims / hindus who behave
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 3:06 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Nothing short of public apathy - and
a latent hatred of muslims - would have made conditions ripe for someone
like Modi.
It is public ignorance rather than public apathy
Do you know that it is easily possible to justify the massacre
On Dec 10, 2007 4:09 PM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the the entire right wing are blamed for the latter, how is it wrong for
the right wing to blame all Muslims for the former? Tit for tat group blame
and group punishment after all. If you can blame the entire right wing, you
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 3:32 pm, ashok _ wrote:
A far larger percentage of Hindus and Christians in the West are likely
to behave secular and deny religious belief than Muslims.
Where do you get such information? i know very many expatriate /
people-of- indian origin muslims / hindus who
I am not talking of private behavior. In public count the percentage of
Hindu women wearing bindis or mangalsutras versus Muslim women wearing
hijabs
in say the UK.
Er. Count the number of hindu women wearing a madisar 9 yard saree v/s the
hejab.
On Dec 10, 2007 2:55 PM, shiv sastry wrote:
I am not talking of private behavior. In public count the percentage of Hindu
women wearing bindis or mangalsutras versus Muslim women wearing hijabs in
say the UK.
how would such a count be attempted... ? You speak as if you already
conducted such
a
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 6:44 pm, ashok _ wrote:
how would such a count be attempted... ? You speak as if you already
conducted such
a count
er yes
shiv
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 5:01 pm, Venky TV wrote:
Not really. By that line of reasoning, all right wing Muslims would
need to blamed -- the ones who explicitly or implicitly support
terrorism -- not all Muslims.
Bingo!. If we split hairs this is spot on.
So when did you last hear anyone blaming
On Dec 10, 2007 6:55 PM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So when did you last hear anyone blaming any Muslims, right wing or any wing
for any bomb blasts?
I only hear that terrorists have no religion but, on the other hand,
Muslims get killed by right wing Hindus.
I *have* encountered
On Dec 10, 2007 4:21 PM, shiv sastry wrote:
er yes
shiv
maybe you counted the same women twice or thrice over... since
its hard to differentiate at a glance between two women wearing a
hijab :)
On 10-Dec-07, at 7:22 PM, ashok _ wrote:
On Dec 10, 2007 4:21 PM, shiv sastry wrote:
er yes
shiv
maybe you counted the same women twice or thrice over... since
its hard to differentiate at a glance between two women wearing a
hijab :)
Or counted Indian Christian women as Hindus without
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:20 pm, Venky TV wrote:
I *have* encountered the phrase terrorists have no religion but
definitely not as often as the term Islamic fundamentalists or
Muslim extremists. Most bomb blast reports in India routinely blame
Muslim militants anyway[1][2].
Venky.
[1]
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:52 pm, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
Or counted Indian Christian women as Hindus without bindis... since
it's hard to tell them apart by face alone.
Indian Christians are few and far between but but wearing a bindi is not a
problem for Indian Christian women. In fact
On 11-Dec-07, at 9:49 AM, shiv sastry wrote:
A survey of that variability would probably throw up some
interesting results.
but hey it doesn't pay to be a sociologist in India.
So you're saying that you're too cheap to get a real survey done, but
expect to be taken seriously on facts you
On Saturday 08 Dec 2007 6:00 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Yeah - so there's a bunch of bjp / rss right wing kooks editing every
article they can find on the Indian freedom struggle and similar topics
I have developed a theory, and gamed it to boot, to demonstrate that any
owning up or
On Dec 9, 2007 8:12 AM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Owning up to being Hindu is asking to be identified as
right wing
No, Shiv. Going to a temple, performing a pooja, celebrating diwali
with family and friends are all perfectly fine non-right wing ways of
practicing Hinduism. It is
On Sunday 09 Dec 2007 10:06 pm, Thaths wrote:
It is when one gooseteps in khakhi shorts down
the road, when one claims that the Hindu civilization is 10,000 years
old, when one thumps on Herr Hegdewar's books and goes around burning
Christian families, etc., one gets identified as right wing.
On Dec 9, 2007 4:51 PM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 09 Dec 2007 10:06 pm, Thaths wrote:
It is when one gooseteps in khakhi shorts down
the road, when one claims that the Hindu civilization is 10,000 years
old, when one thumps on Herr Hegdewar's books and goes around
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 6:51 am, Thaths wrote:
Interesting you should opt out of re-using the gooseteps (sic) in
khaki shorts bit. I suspect a vaster majority of right wing kooks do
that than any of the other example characteristics I stated.
But Thaths that is not a reply to my question.
shiv sastry wrote:
One of the problems I note with Indian, particularly Hindu society is
this
Not really. It is a description of a subset of Indian editors active on
Wikipedia.
Editing characterized by
1. Aggressive nationalism (to the point of claiming that incidents like the
Satichaura
OK. The point I would like to make is that the group described below were
characterized as BJP/RSS right wing kooks
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:45 am, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Editing characterized by
1. Aggressive nationalism (to the point of claiming that incidents like the
Satichaura
If we indulge in group profiling, we cannot expect that the favor will
not be ruturned to us.
I am an equal opportunity profiler. I think the right wingers on both sides
of the spectrum - modi and the brownshorts on one side and the mad mullahs
on the other - are reprehensible.
So, where
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 9:08 am, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
So, where does that leave me?
Can't say about you personally, but it is possible that you might fall into
what I wrote in the first message. I repeat:
There is, therefore a tendency among many Hindus to play down their Hindu
There is, therefore a tendency among many Hindus to play down their
Hindu identity in public and in mixed cultural company, while they remain
as
Hindu as can be in private. Owning up to being Hindu is asking to be
identified as right wing
I am not a practicing hindu, in private or in public.
Suresh Ramasubramanian said the following on 10/12/2007 07:57:
And I am quite open
about calling certain hindu godmen (including one silk dressed hippie with a
few rape cases against him,
Suresh:
Remember, we are supposed to respect all religious and sexual
preferences. This particular guy
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 9:27 am, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
I am not a practicing hindu, in private or in public. And I am quite open
about calling certain hindu godmen (including one silk dressed hippie with
a few rape cases against him, a US embassy advisory that doesn't quite name
him, etc
Remember, we are supposed to respect all religious and sexual
preferences. This particular guy has just combined both and also
interpreted Shaivism literally.
And you have to admit that watching supposedly mature politicians get
all ecstatic about being touched by a hand that was in all
On 10-Dec-07, at 9:43 AM, shiv sastry wrote:
In fact many educated Hindus chose this route to avoid being asked
to answer
uncomfortable questions about Hinduism. Wearing Hindu symbols like
a large
tilak on one's forehead or admitting to openly practicing Hindu
ritual is
quite often an
On Dec 10, 2007 9:43 AM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
In fact many educated Hindus chose this route to avoid being asked to answer
uncomfortable questions about Hinduism. Wearing Hindu symbols like a large
tilak on one's forehead or admitting to openly practicing Hindu ritual is
shiv sastry said the following on 10/12/2007 08:13:
In fact many educated Hindus chose this route to avoid being asked to answer
uncomfortable questions about Hinduism. Wearing Hindu symbols like a large
tilak on one's forehead or admitting to openly practicing Hindu ritual is
quite often
Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Wikipedia, in its way, is of great benefit to the web community, he
says. But I've also been greatly dismayed that Wikipedia has
apparently attracted some intelligent but problematic personalities
Yeah - so there's a bunch of bjp / rss right wing kooks editing every
Udhay Shankar N wrote: [ on 05:58 PM 12/4/2007 ]
Dirty Laundry coming out (via Eugen)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/wikipedia_secret_mailing/
And some more follow up here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/06/wikipedia_and_overstock/
This appears to be playing out in classic
On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 05:53:38PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
This appears to be playing out in classic abuse-of-power style.
Here's the bit that is especially thought-provoking:
The only surprising thing is that they lasted that long as is.
I presume the Wikipedia license allows forks, so
It's not just a reference - it's delicious (via Boing Boing)
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/12/03/beijing-restaurant-s.html
Of course - the wikipedia has to be freshly edited or it tastes stale.
On Dec 4, 2007 7:28 AM, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Casey O'Donnell wrote: [ on 06:24
On 10/31/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/31/07, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shrug. Wikipedia isn't perfect, the criticisms are valid, but... so what?
Good question. I just have this vague unease that it's becoming a _de
facto_ reference, and wanted to spend
yet another xkcd on wikipedia
http://xkcd.com/185/
On 10/31/07, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While on the subject of Wikipedia:
http://xkcd.com/333/
On 10/31/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Udhay Shankar N wrote: [ on 09:32 PM 10/30/2007 ]
What's EDGE?
On 10/31/07, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shrug. Wikipedia isn't perfect, the criticisms are valid, but... so what?
Good question. I just have this vague unease that it's becoming a _de
facto_ reference, and wanted to spend some cycles in clarifying my own
misgivings about it.
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 13:42 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Good question. I just have this vague unease that it's becoming a _de
facto_ reference, and wanted to spend some cycles in clarifying my own
misgivings about it.
wikipedia is not authoritative, but it never claims to be. all articles
Udhay Shankar N wrote: [ on 09:32 PM 10/30/2007 ]
What's EDGE?
http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/edge/index.shtml
I posted the link above, as I'm trying to wean myself from posting
Wikipedia links - I've come to have misgivings about how easily it
can be gamed (indeed, how it games
Just saw this:
What Motivates Wikipedians: review of a survey
snip
* Altruism and humanitarian concerns
* Responding to requests by friends or attempting to engage in an
activity viewed favorably by important others
* Chances to learn new things
* Preparing for a new career or
While on the subject of Wikipedia:
http://xkcd.com/333/
On 10/31/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Udhay Shankar N wrote: [ on 09:32 PM 10/30/2007 ]
What's EDGE?
http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/edge/index.shtml
I posted the link above, as I'm trying to wean myself from
On 3/16/06, Ravi Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thaths, didn't you have some linux-india archives posted someplace?
http://linux-india.openscroll.org/
No comments about the rest of the controversy.
Thaths
--
Bart! With $10,000 we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of
useful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Chitnis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Atul_Chitnis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup_Taskforce/Atul_Chitnis
Hmm, interesting.
Thaths, didn't you have some linux-india archives posted someplace?
Ravi Rao wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Chitnis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Atul_Chitnis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup_Taskforce/Atul_Chitnis
Hmm, interesting.
Thaths, didn't you have some linux-india archives posted someplace?
the wikipedia page on
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