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2010-02-24 Thread Ode Coyote
Message From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 8:49:31 PM Subject: Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? At 06:05 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Hello Dick, It seems that this is an area that has been looked

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-24 Thread Marshall Dudley
batches between weighing, you may get an agerage. The may be opptimistic, but could give a ballpark esimation. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin

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2010-02-23 Thread Richard Goodwin
:31 PM Subject: Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? At 06:05 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Hello Dick, It seems that this is an area that has been looked at before and there are some theories on the quality of EIS produced at high voltages. Unfortunately, extensive

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2010-02-23 Thread Marshall Dudley
Message From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 8:49:31 PM Subject: Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? At 06:05 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Hello Dick, It seems that this is an area that has been looked

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-23 Thread Ode Coyote
## You can make EIS well beyond 20 PPM, however, having it look like something you'd let your dog drink is another matter. I've found that around 30 us [or PPM ionic] is about the limit, but Ionic isn't all that there is and it can take a fair a amount of time for ions to crystallize out of

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-23 Thread Marshall Dudley
: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Thus part I don't understand. The ionic portion of EIS is silver oxide and silver hydroxide, each with a solubility of only 13 ppm, so combined they have a solubility of 26 ppm. (Actually since

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-23 Thread poast
esimation. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Doing quantitative analysis for silver compounds is really rather easy, if you have

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2010-02-23 Thread poast
PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Hi Tom, It would be a real boon to have some sort of standard quantitative analysis of silver content which could be done in a home lab/kitchen. a titration method maybe? which would involve simple reagents and glassware. I think

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-23 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
I've been wondering about this for quite some time, having read on this list that ppm is really a measure of weight, not parts or particles. I'll add a layman's question: is there any scale on earth that could measure the difference in weight just by putting one's EIS jar on the scale

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-22 Thread Ode Coyote
by removing water from it. Tom - Original Message - From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:23 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Interesting... How does the unit uS compare with PPM? I have two

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
*Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Marshal I have one very small insignificant problem with that statement ( or suggestion)about only silver nitrate does that . Where would I have come about getting silver nitrate in my

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Richard Goodwin wrote: So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce silver nitrate? Yes, especially if the arcing is above the water. using arcs to water was the standard method of producing nitric

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-22 Thread Dave Darrin
Marshal The reducing was my post and I didn't say anything about boiling the cs, only putting it on the coffee maker hot plate which will not boil it. It will steam off slowly and not effect the integrity of the brew. You were into color being caused by the size of the particle at the time and I

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
I am pretty sure the blanket was Argon or helium, not carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide would simply replace the nitric acid with carbonic acid, and make silver carbonate instead of silver nitrate. Still not good. But you are correct, placing an inert gas blanket around the area of the arc

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
poast wrote: Hello Dick, Please understand that this is still in the experimental stage... but I have had pretty good success in making normal EIS, then using heat to concentrate it. It takes a little time and effort to do, but it seems to work very well. I don't know how pure it is, but if

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Well, actually I do believe that they are aggregating, then breaking apart again when you dilute. You must have missed my post on a theory as to how that happens when I posted it a month or so ago. Here it is again: As the water evaporates the silver oxide reaches saturation, and

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2010-02-22 Thread poast
@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:16 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? In the spirit of ballparks...1 to 1 isn't that far off from 1.2 to 1 Trems SG7 samples came out as 98.6% Ionic http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr21/cpr_21.html 13.8 uS/cm

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2010-02-22 Thread sol
At 06:05 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Hello Dick, It seems that this is an area that has been looked at before and there are some theories on the quality of EIS produced at high voltages. Unfortunately, extensive testing is cost prohibitive, so you will just have to go with the theory. I think I

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2010-02-22 Thread cking001
Oh, that was FUN! Check the archives searching on HVAC, Bob Now those were the days... Chuck ** At a Towing company: We don't charge an arm and a leg. We want tows. ** On 2/22/2010

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-22 Thread poast
problem I have is not having the equipment to translate uS to PPM. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Thus part I don't understand

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2010-02-22 Thread Tony Moody
to translate uS to PPM. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Thus part I don't understand. The ionic portion of EIS

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2010-02-21 Thread poast
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? What do you think about the guy who says he makes 40 ppm in a minute or two using a microwave oven 3600 volts? Or something like

RE: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-21 Thread Neville Munn
OK, Thanks for that Dick. N. Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:14:49 -0800 From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Evidently, yes. Which would explain the slight argyria my wife has (she took a lot more than I did

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-21 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 10:17:20 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject

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2010-02-20 Thread Richard Goodwin
, February 19, 2010 10:47:54 PM Subject: RE: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? From this can I assume you were possibly ingesting silver nitrate for a period of time? Yes?/No?/Dunno? N. Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:06:11 -0800 From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-20 Thread Dave Darrin
for a period of time? Yes?/No?/Dunno? N. Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:06:11 -0800 From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? To: silver-list@eskimo.com So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the high

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-20 Thread Richard Goodwin
inaccurate... Dick - Original Message From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 12:44:04 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Hello Dick, Please understand that this is still in the experimental stage... but I have had

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-20 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Thanks for this Dave, I have just sent off for this. dee On 20 Feb 2010, at 16:17, Dave Darrin wrote: Dick Why not just reduce it to get it stronger? As far as the deodorant is concerned I've never had any luck using CS for that but there is a product that deodorises without blocking

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2010-02-20 Thread poast
Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:23 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Interesting... How does the unit uS compare with PPM? I have two meters, one of which measures PPM, and the other uS, and they show very

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-20 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Dave -- where do you get that product (Lavilin)?  Thanks. MA From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 10:17:20 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Dick   Why not just reduce it to get

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-20 Thread Dave Darrin
(Lavilin)? Thanks. MA -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sat, February 20, 2010 10:17:20 AM *Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Dick Why not just reduce it to get it stronger? As far

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-20 Thread MaryAnn Helland
OK!! From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 7:47:16 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? I found it on eBay and bought a bunch of it but I'm getting low so will have to search

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-20 Thread Dave Darrin
...@bellsouth.netwrote: OK!! -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sat, February 20, 2010 7:47:16 PM *Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? I found it on eBay and bought a bunch of it but I'm getting low so

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-20 Thread Richard Goodwin
-cooking the stuff trying to get higher ppm...? Dick - Original Message From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:17:19 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Hello Dick, uS is micro siemens, and is a measure

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2010-02-19 Thread Marshall Dudley
Neville Munn wrote: Excuse my pig ignorance, but which layer of skin is *OUR* silver deposited, anyone know? Skin has several layers so I'm curious to know which layer it is? Is it under the first or second, between the third or fourth etc etc? All articles I find relate to silver nitrate

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Marshall Dudley
Is not the epidermis the dead layer which is continually shed. If it were there wouldn't it be not permanent? Marshall Norton, Steve wrote: My guess is that silver will deposit in all layers of the skin but that the coloring caused by argyria is from silver in the epidermis. -

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2010-02-19 Thread Norton, Steve
Good point - Steve N - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Feb 19 09:41:38 2010 Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Is not the epidermis the dead layer which is continually shed

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2010-02-19 Thread Dave Darrin
Marshal I have one very small insignificant problem with that statement ( or suggestion)about only silver nitrate does that . Where would I have come about getting silver nitrate in my system? I have never used High Voltage Arc system, only 27 volts dc with polarity switching and decant into

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Richard Goodwin
And what about silver citrate? From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 11:27:08 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Marshal I have one very small insignificant problem

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Marshall Dudley
if reduced). Marshall Richard Goodwin wrote: And what about silver citrate? *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 11:27:08 AM *Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer

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2010-02-19 Thread Christina Mattson
for silver deposit? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:46 AM Good point  - Steve N - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Feb 19 09:41:38 2010 Subject: Re: CSWhich layer

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2010-02-19 Thread Richard Goodwin
: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:17:07 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Silver citrate and silver nitrate have similar photographic properties, although silver nitrate is more sensitive to light. Silver nitrate

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Marshall Dudley
trying to fight off a cold or something. Does that make sense? Dick - Original Message From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:17:07 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Silver citrate and silver

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2010-02-19 Thread Dave Darrin
davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 11:27:08 AM *Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Marshal I have one very small insignificant problem with that statement ( or suggestion)about only silver nitrate does that . Where would

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Marshall Dudley
? *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com mailto:davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 11:27:08 AM *Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer of skin

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread M. G. Devour
Dear Dave, Marshall, It sure can be a pain keeping things straight in this medium... Marshall wrote: It would have to be in the living layers, thus the dermis, essentially where a tattoo is placed. Probably any and all the living layers, but generally EIS does not

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Darrin
? *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com mailto:davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 11:27:08 AM *Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit

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2010-02-19 Thread Paul Steel
Dave The Pure steam distilled water from walmart. is there a specfic brand you buy?   Paul Steel h 508.520.6905 c 508.922.0519   From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 7:19:48 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Darrin
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 7:19:48 PM *Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Marshal Yes- I have never taken anything but properly made cs. You must not have been following the thread so I will enlighten you. My cs was made with a colloid

RE: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Neville Munn
DER! How stoopid of me...Damn...! I lost my foothold there for a moment, sorry about that, of course *OUR* silver won't do that, and I mentioned 'nitrates' as well. Thank You for including that, can't afford to blur that distinction with 'something else'...which is the main separator.

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread M. G. Devour
Dave wrote: Even when Mike was saying to add salt to start the batch quicker I did it the proper way with nothing added. Oy, that was a long time ago! It took me a year or two after I started making CS to wise up and finally start doing it the better way... I took finding a build-up of

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Richard Goodwin
: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? That is a grey area. AgOH is more active chemicall, but that can actually reduce the effectiveness when taken internally. Here's why. AgOH will react with the HCl in the stomach producing silver chloride, which is almost insoluble, around .8 ppm

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Richard Goodwin
: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Dave wrote: Even when Mike was saying to add salt to start the batch quicker I did it the proper way with nothing added. Oy, that was a long time ago! It took me a year or two after I started making CS to wise up and finally start doing

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Richard Goodwin
So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce silver nitrate? Or perhaps can it also be producing silver ions with extra oxygen? (I know, wishful thinking). I'm just thinking that I used whatever that

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread cking001
If you are using high voltage(as from a neon xfmer) and one of your electrodes is slightly above the water (hence the arcing) , you are producing nitric acid in your CS. We discussed this many years ago when Ol' Bob was alive. The answer was to provide a CO2 blanket in the space above the water

RE: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread Neville Munn
From this can I assume you were possibly ingesting silver nitrate for a period of time? Yes?/No?/Dunno? N. Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:06:11 -0800 From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? To: silver-list@eskimo.com So Marshall and all you

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-19 Thread poast
To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:06 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce silver nitrate? Or perhaps can

RE: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-18 Thread Norton, Steve
My guess is that silver will deposit in all layers of the skin but that the coloring caused by argyria is from silver in the epidermis. - Steve N From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: