Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply
Sorry, dog and people lungs work the same way and use the same chemistry. If there are any differences at all, they are minor enough for good research to be done, which is why such research is done with dogs by people who HAVE looked into what the differences and similarities are and found the similarities vastly outweigh any difference where some specific application is concerned. Otherise, research would be like Swiss cheese is the same color as the moon, therefore the moon must be Swiss cheesemice eat cheese, so the holes in Swiss were made by mice and mice made all those craters. Oh wait! That's all true! ..and that half a million miles of vaccuum between mice and the moon is between my ears! No wait! There's no vaccuum if there are rocks in it! I saw an asteroid! When, not if, people pant, they also evaporate water and cool off. Runners do it often. You're talking about two different ways to use the same system and properties of evaportion. People just have more options. People don't have to pant because they can perspire and evaporate water externally 'as well as' internally through the lungs to refrigerate the blood, but that has nothing to do with how the lungs absorb oxygen and expel carbon dioxide, their basic functions, tissue structures, abilities to handle impurities or how evaporating water refrigerates. If you transplated dog lungs into people, the person would still not have to pant to cool off and wouldn't do so unless the primary system [perspiration evaporation] were overloaded. Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] BTW, dogs don't walk on their feet. [They walk on their toes] The first bend in a dogs hind leg is its ankle. People can walk on either. People have more options...and a more developed sense of balance. People ride bicycles and 4 wheels don't need good balance to not fall over...but the facts of locomotion mechanics are the same. What's with this winning thing? I still have my feet and there is no valid arguement here to win OR lose. If an idea presented is more complete than mine, I'll adopt it in a heartbeat..and keep looking for an even more complete idea. I've heard some people call that 'learning'. Argueing is pointless. No one ever wins anything worth winning. Pinheads argue over whos point is the sharpest. Well, that might be a fun way to waste time, but it doesn't go anywhere. [That's not to say that academia doesn't have its fair share of so called learn-ed pinheads] Do some reading or go ask a doctor who has taken both sets apart and actually looked and done a 'valid' comparison. ..then... help me change my mind. End of non arguement. Ode At 02:32 PM 8/17/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 17/08/2005 13:33:06 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: you are wrong again. dogs are different from humans. ok? small particles pass through. dog lungs are not the same. a dog pants instead of perspiring. i fear you are clutching at straws having been defeated again. Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs Date: 17/08/2005 13:33:06 GMT Daylight Time From: odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Now that's funny! ..a person who can't see the most simple correlations won something in a contest that only that person was in. Well, that's no surprise. I can race myself and win every time without even standing up. Does crossing the finish line with ones left foot mean that the left foot won the foot race? I guess so! I won! I AM my left foot..not my right foot. [The loser!] Lookie here. A dogs lungs work so close to exactly like people lungs that valid testing can be done with them instead of risking harming people. The effects of unequal meetings of mass and velocity work the same way on dogs as people...well, OK...people go splat then sue and dogs just go splat. ..nevermind.. I think I'll go look in a mirror to make sure my eyes are shut. -) Ode At 09:20 AM 8/16/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 16/08/2005 13:42:28 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: no connection to arguement. i win again Subj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at:
Re: CSRESEARCH TRIALS
In a message dated 18/08/2005 05:04:23 GMT Daylight Time, wen...@tuxnightclub.com writes: hi look at this:- http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2394 A HREF=http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2394;new research/A Subj: CS Date: 18/08/2005 05:04:23 GMT Daylight Time From: wen...@tuxnightclub.com (Wendy) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi there. I'm usually pretty good about searching the archives for info before posting but it's midnight and I'm a bit strapped for time and Ihave a quick question. My 4 yr old is coming down with something- he's a bit too old for it but it sounds croupy (although we had whooping cough in the spring and he's still run down from that and hasn't shaken that cough completely and it's been 4 months) I've been giving him CS my dad is making and testing with the SG6 (orally and in his ears), zinc, vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) all day and some homeopathic aconite. I thought for sure I had it - we had a lovely walk at 8pm, but alas he now has a barky cough as we go into the night. Stuff always happens at night doesn't it??? ;-) I went to give him some CS when he woke up thought I had a clean glass but accidentally poured it in the cup that had had the vitamin C in it - it turned grey blue immediately- I thought oh no. So I decided to use the eye dropper which I also thought was clean which had C on it too (remember I'm dealing with an upset 4 yr old at the same time) and I stuck the eye dropper in the jar of CS and now it's all gone cloudy (I can't see through it), looks like old milky tea Is this CS still useable or have I ruined it??? Is it supposed to do this?? Should CS be taken alone or is ok to take with other supplements, food etc.? Thanks in advance Wendy --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-yj04.mx.aol.com (rly-yj04.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.142]) by air-yj04.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINYJ41-80d430408bb262; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:04:22 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5.eskimo.com [204.122.16.68]) by rly-yj04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYJ43-80d430408bb262; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:04:13 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smart...@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I43OAs000414; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:03:40 -0700 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j7I43NXa000403; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:03:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:03:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com using -f X-Authenticated-User: wendyc.tuxnightclub.com From: Wendy wen...@tuxnightclub.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:59:40 -0400 Message-ID: 01c5a3a9$47d97000$787ba...@wendylap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0001_01C5A387.C0C7D000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: wm2uk.a.ig.kia...@ultra5.eskimo.com Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: silver-list@eskimo.com archive/latest/84435 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com List-Post: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com List-Help: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe List-Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: CS X-AOL-IP: 204.122.16.68 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:505199236:15032385 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDMSO and CS for eyedrops
Has anyone used this mix for an eye infection-(not sure what, but it itches intermitantly) And what percentage of each? By the way.I mixed 25% dmso and 75% sski (iodine solution) for a toe fungus probleminteresting heat generated in the bottledon't know what that means...just passing the info. FWIW -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEFT instructions
Nenah, I wonder if the message I received regarding Eft instructions might have been from Mike Devour? or from Terry? Terry did send the instructions, but they were on an attachment that I couldn't bring up on the library or school computer. These computers often are picky about what they will bring up. I just looked at the message below again, apparently it's from someone named waddle. A simplified version sounds good to me. I will try addressing a message to waddle. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: "Nenah Sylver" ne...@bestweb.netReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSEFT instructionsDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:07:19 -0400 Please -- IT WASN'T ME! Terry, there are a host of folks who want your instructions, including me. Thanks ;) Nenah - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: CSEFT instructions Neenah, Yes, I would like a copy of your instructions. Thanks! From Ruth Strackbein From: "ruth strackbein" ruthstrackb...@hotmail.comReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSEFT instructionsDate: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:42:47 -0500 Hi! I tried to download the Eagle site, all I got was a picture of an eagle! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: waddle...@aol.comReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSEFT instructionsDate: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:06:51 EDTNenahCould I have a copy too? ThanksWaddleIn a message dated 8/11/2005 7:01:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com writes: Nenah Sylver said,Ihave a tutorial file I can email you that shows youhow to do EFT. It's clearer than the instructions inthe emofree manual. Just let me know if you want it. Eagle.jpg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply
Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ Many years ago I saw a pye dog who lived in a railway station in India. He had lost his back legs to a train. He did very well walking on two legs with his backside up in the air. Therefore, in keeping with the spirit of this debate and using the rules of logic as they have been demonstrated here, I have proven conclusively that dog lungs work exactly the same as human lungs because both dogs and humans can walk very well on two legs. Send money, Dan ;-)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2
In a message dated 18/08/2005 15:49:16 GMT Daylight Time, dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com writes: look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply Date: 18/08/2005 15:49:16 GMT Daylight Time From: dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com (Dan Nave) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ Many years ago I saw a pye dog who lived in a railway station in India. He had lost his back legs to a train. He did very well walking on two legs with his backside up in the air. Therefore, in keeping with the spirit of this debate and using the rules of logic as they have been demonstrated here, I have proven conclusively that dog lungs work exactly the same as human lungs because both dogs and humans can walk very well on two legs. Send money, Dan ;-)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-xh06.mx.aol.com (rly-xh06.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.213]) by air-xh04.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXH41-70d43049fe321c; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:49:15 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5.eskimo.com [204.122.16.68]) by rly-xh06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXH63-70d43049fe321c; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:49:09 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smart...@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IEmJFE021037; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:35 -0700 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j7IEmJZP021027; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: s304594a@mn.nilfisk-advance.com X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:47:19 -0500 From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 14:47:54.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0C53750:01C5A403] Resent-Message-ID: oygugd.a.bif.y-j...@ultra5.eskimo.com Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: silver-list@eskimo.com archive/latest/84440 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com List-Post: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com List-Help: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe List-Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com X-AOL-IP: 204.122.16.68 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:496062056:15032385 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0
CSMixing CS
Should CS be taken alone or is ok to take with other supplements, food etc? You need to remember, CS is only mineral water, except that it has only one mineral. I have been making coffee each morning with CS for years. I mix CS into everything that I can. Pancake batter is 2 cups of CS and the dry ingredients. Fruit juice is 3 cans of CS and the frozen juice. Stew is 2 quarts of CS and the veggies, meat, etc. My kids get CS in everything I can get it into. They also never get sick, and they're not blue! You don't need to be careful with CS. It isn't a drug or strange chemical. It is simply a mineral that benefits the body in specific ways. I freely stir powdered Vit C, lysine, Green drink, etc., into CS and drink it. Most mornings I have a smoothy with 2 eggs, 1/2 cup powdered milk, 2 cups CS, nutritional yeast, Concentrace and a banana (also sweetened with Stevia). Clear, cloudy, grey, yellow, gold - it's fine. OK, don't drink a lot of coffee-colored CS for a long period, unless you are also taking selenium and Vit E. But you don't need to be careful with CS! Remember, scientists have had a hard time even trying to cause a bad thing with silver, using huge amounts of silver, and none of them have succeeded with clear or yellow CS. Terry __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS effectiveness
Hi Marshall, Sorry for the slo-mo response. Thank you for the correction. Jim -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS effectiveness I didn't write that. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: Marshall Wrote: The number of credible studies that disprove this claim are numerous. American BioTech's studies demonstrated silver to be fatal to malaria, tuberculosis, Bubonic plague, Staphylococcus aureus, Candida albicans yeast, the Trichomonas vaginalis bacteria and anthrax. I think Trich is actually a protozoan. Jim -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:44 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS effectiveness marmar...@aol.com wrote: I am posting a response from another list I'm on, which rebutted my statements regarding Colloidal Silver (on that list). When some friends of mine found out I was using CS with success on some tough problems, they gently took me aside and cleared up some misconceptions. Because they both worked at MIT, and the wife went on to teach at Princeton (electron microscopy in determining cell response to disease) and the husband is now head of a company developing carbon nanosphere technology as a step beyond MRI imaging, I take their understanding as sound! As most of us on this list have discovered, impressive-sounding credentials don't guarantee accuracy or credibility. CS, despite being called nature's antibiotic, has no effect on fungal, baterial or viral pathogens. I have a copy of Brigham Young Universities studies that show differently. Marshall responded: Where did they get that idea. Did they run tests, and if so what was the protocol? I personally had tests run at University of Tennessee and determined that it has a lot of effect. Others have run tests and many of them are posted on the net, and none of them ever showed no effect. The mechanism by which CS works is this: Silver (and also gold, which you can also buy as a colloid) are inert metals as far as the body is concerned - no reaction. When a virus, for instance, enters a cell, the mitochondria of the cell are attracted to it and attach to the virus. The virus borrows the DNA from the mitochondria - it's necessary for the virus to do so in order to reproduce. When silver is present in the cells in the particle size that mimics a virus (and this is why particle size is very important) the mitochondria attach to the silver and become busy - they can't attach to the virus. Hence, virus can't reproduce and so die. Less virus present, less inflammatory response from the body. There's no inherent immunity with silver itself, and it doesn't kill virus, bacteria, or fungus, but it maintains the integrity of the cell by keeping it busy or plugged. Marshall responds: Where did this information come from? Never heard it before. Is there any experimental evidence to back it up? If it doesn't kill bacteria, then why does every test I know of that has ever been run on it with bacteria show a high or 100% kill rate? Silver doesn't have any effect on a pathogen, so it can't suffocate or kill it. But the above explanation does lend itself to the idea of building an immunity, although I doubt a scientist would agree with that interpretation. The number of credible studies that disprove this claim are numerous. American BioTech's studies demonstrated silver to be fatal to malaria, tuberculosis, Bubonic plague, Staphylococcus aureus, Candida albicans yeast, the Trichomonas vaginalis bacteria and anthrax. See: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2003/04/c7099.html http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2002/16/c1055.html http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/February2003/24/c3100.html http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section1.htm The recommended 8-10 ppm is in line with what they know about this action - you don't want too much or too little. You do need the volume that dilution to 8-10ppm creates in order to disperse it through the body - because a percentage of it is going to be lost in the digestive tract or otherwise eliminated. If making your own, there are some issues - if you don't have rather sophisticated equipment you can't be sure of the particle size or concentration. The success of folks with MS and cancer by drinking copious quantities (16-24 oz/day) negates the idea that one must be careful to take just the right amount. Roger Altman's study demonstrated the non-accumulation of properly made CS, thereby establishing that the body simply disposes of unused CS. Their feeling is that what you are making is actually silver salts, not colloidal silver. Marshall responded: That is impossible. A salt requires an anion, and there is none present in
Re: CSDMSO and CS for eyedrops
I use a one ounce dropper bottle of my EIS, with one dropperful of 99% DMSO added for my eyedrops. You would have to experiment to find your best ratio. I find my eyedrop mix very comfortable to use, and very soothing, and would certainly use it if I got an eye infection of any kind. Straight CS should also work, but that is uncomfortable for me. DMSO releases heat when mixed with water. So always add the DMSO to the EIS or other liquid, instead of the EIS to the DMSO, to minimize the heat release. sol alltogether...@webtv.net wrote: Has anyone used this mix for an eye infection-(not sure what, but it itches intermitantly) And what percentage of each? By the way.I mixed 25% dmso and 75% sski (iodine solution) for a toe fungus probleminteresting heat generated in the bottledon't know what that means...just passing the info. FWIW -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2
Hi, I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of the lung in a land mammal. Regards, E look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSKilling nanobacteria
Just my little opinion, based on my reading and experiences. Take Lugol's iodine internally to force the nano's out of their comfort zone. EIS/CS also does same but not as fast. Drink Bragg vinegar to disable the nanobacteria. It contains the natural precursor to EDTA. Possibly strips them of their protective calcitic goo. Use a Beck unit 2-6 hours daily for 6-8 weeks. That's how I beat Degenerative Disk Disease and Lichen Planus. Daddybob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Dust-up over dust, winning at all cost...
Hi folks! I've just devoted the better part of an hour analyzing the controversy over Silver particles in the lung and the imperative of winning arguments. I have traced the following evolution: One of our members, Deborah, suggested on another list the use of CS in a nebulizer. A person on that list, evidently a nurse, objected to this concept, claiming: ...if [silver particles] get down into the lungs, can interfere with the cellular transfer of oxygen and carbon dioxide. Ken responded to this assertion with this information: An experiment done by Phalen and Morrow circa 1974? discounts that idea. They had dogs inhale finely ground silver dust and 94% of it was found in their poop within 30 days. To which veganexus replied: we are not dogs. and we dont inhale silver dust either Ken then quipped: We don't generally chase cars either, but a car will still make a mess of a person if it's caught. Veganexus' rejoinder: no connection to arguement. i win again Ken responds with some meandering ribbing about this winning thing, then reiterates his position on the single factual point that seems to be at issue: A dogs lungs work so close to exactly like people lungs that valid testing can be done with them instead of risking harming people. Veganexus now ups the ante, adding a further irrelevancy to his thus far unsupported contradiction of Ken's contribution: you are wrong again. dogs are different from humans. ok? small particles pass through. dog lungs are not the same. a dog pants instead of perspiring. i fear you are clutching at straws having been defeated again. Ken expends an impressive amount of text explaining why panting does not disqualify dog lungs from being useful for study, then gets down to what seems to be emerging as the really IMPORTANT issue as far as Veganexus is concerned: What's with this winning thing? ... there is no valid arguement here to win OR lose. If an idea presented is more complete than mine, I'll adopt it in a heartbeat..and keep looking for an even more complete idea. I've heard some people call that 'learning'. Argueing is pointless. No one ever wins anything worth winning. Pinheads argue over whos point is the sharpest. Well, that might be a fun way to waste time, but it doesn't go anywhere... Do some reading or go ask a doctor who has taken both sets apart and actually looked and done a 'valid' comparison. ...then... help me change my mind. Veganexus, after reiterating his fixation on the disirability of proper conflict resolution (in his favor, that is), enlightens us with the profound thesis that dogs are a different species than man, that interspecies tissue transplants are usually unsuccessful, and that, therefore... drumroll, please... this proves that dogs' lungs cannot be used as a model for metal particle transport studies: look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. ... and THEN makes comments that not only accuse Ken of flaws of logic, intellect, and, presumably, personal hygiene, but brings in irrelevant and inappropriate *RELIGIOUS* issues as well!! you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Meanwhile Frank and Marshall have chimed in with useful information supporting both contentions, ie., that silver particulates do clear from the lungs, and that dog lung studies are well known to be applicable to humans. Finally, a few of others, Ernie, Dan, and Pete, notice the ongoing silliness and attempt to inject a little reasonableness into the fray, to which our hero responds: your compariso (sic) is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. And the FINAL, ultimately conclusive, irrefutable declaration of TRUTH!!... I DECLARE VICTORY AS I WAS RIGHT. Ummm. Yes. Right out of here. Sorry folks. Not enough benefits to offset the combative attitude. The list mission is to share information, learn from each other, and help people to heal... not to wage and win arguments at all costs. sigh Deborah, I hope that the *rest* of this thread gave you some worthwhile information to take with you to your other list? I thought there was *some* that will be useful. grin Just as a reminder, our mission statement and explanation of appropriate behavior for the list may be found in the List Rules at http://www.silverlist.org Be well, my friends! Mike Devour Silver List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi, I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of the lung in a land mammal. Regards, E look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (rly-xn04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.117]) by air-xn02.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXN24-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:40 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5.eskimo.com [204.122.16.68]) by rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN41-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:28 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smart...@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IGJYH2013606; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:19:50 -0700 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j7IGJXmw013599; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:19:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:19:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: bayc1-pasmtp02640af84240388d2ae4dfb9...@cez.ice X-Originating-IP: [70.49.177.122] X-Originating-Email: [epa...@sympatico.ca] From: Ernie Patai epa...@sympatico.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSSilver
CSAny help for Wendy here??
--- Forwarded message follows --- From: Wendy wen...@tuxnightclub.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:59:40 -0400 . Hi there. I'm usually pretty good about searching the archives for info before posting but it's midnight and I'm a bit strapped for time and Ihave a quick question. My 4 yr old is coming down with something- he's a bit too old for it but it sounds croupy (although we had whooping cough in the spring and he's still run down from that and hasn't shaken that cough completely and it's been 4 months) I've been giving him CS my dad is making and testing with the SG6 (orally and in his ears), zinc, vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) all day and some homeopathic aconite. I thought for sure I had it - we had a lovely walk at 8pm, but alas he now has a barky cough as we go into the night. Stuff always happens at night doesn't it??? ;-) I went to give him some CS when he woke up thought I had a clean glass but accidentally poured it in the cup that had had the vitamin C in it - it turned grey blue immediately- I thought oh no. So I decided to use the eye dropper which I also thought was clean which had C on it too (remember I'm dealing with an upset 4 yr old at the same time) and I stuck the eye dropper in the jar of CS and now it's all gone cloudy (I can't see through it), looks like old milky tea Is this CS still useable or have I ruined it??? Is it supposed to do this?? Should CS be taken alone or is ok to take with other supplements, food etc.? Thanks in advance Wendy --- End of forwarded message --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
I thought we were all beyond the I'm right and you were wrong stuff? I have not seen any proof, from either side of the equation. Could someone else, provide something viable to conclude this. Humbly speaking. E your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
Lets say everyone is right to a certain extent, and no one is wrong, leaving off percentages of course, and get on with a new topic!
RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
Thank you.! that is what I was getting at. touche' -Original Message- From: panamp...@aol.com [mailto:panamp...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23 Lets say everyone is right to a certain extent, and no one is wrong, leaving off percentages of course, and get on with a new topic!
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
In a message dated 18/08/2005 20:14:22 GMT Daylight Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: I DECLARE VICTORY AS I WAS RIGHT. Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23 Date: 18/08/2005 20:14:22 GMT Daylight Time From: panamp...@aol.com Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Lets say everyone is right to a certain extent, and no one is wrong, leaving off percentages of course, and get on with a new topic! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBeck protocol?
Hi Mike, V gives a FREE BECK CD with each order and it's worth it's weight in gold in my opinion. Has much valuable BECK info on it. Sincely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBeck protocol? Hi folks, Is there any single web site that discusses the 4 step Beck protocol in reasonable depth, that would be a worthwhile referral for somebody wanting to get familiar with it? A book for sale? Anything? Thanks, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDaddybob and lugol's
Daddybob--How did you take the lugol's and how much and how often? tia pj __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEmphesema and Acne
Daddybob,Dr Harris, Ode and all, As many here know I have advanced Emphysema and have been fighting it for over two years now using the expertise I gain from this site and others. I regularly use EIS in my Omron comp air elite mister which I have found to be really helpful, plus daily dosages of my EIS in a grape-cranberry cocktail. If anyone can add any updates to further my progress with this disease I would be very grateful. Also I once mentioned my daughter, who will be 21yrs next month, as having severe Acne. We tried Proactiveplus several RXs and OTC remedies, in- cluding CS/EIS, but to no avail. Any help in this measure would also be genuinely appreciated! Pete
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2005 #494
Nenah, Please send me a copy of your instructions. Thanks. Ron heals...@jps.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.10.9 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKilling nanobacteria
Hi There Daddybob - what is Bragg vinegar and where can one get it to buy ?What is the natural precursor to EDTA. Thanks Sandee The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to realize that he could not do it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Dust-up over dust, winning at all cost...
Hiya Mike! Well said. Oh, don't forget the link that Matthew posted: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2001/suppl-4/547-551takenaka/takenaka-full.html Study of retention of silver particles in the lungs of rats. Now, I don't really want to enter a debate regarding whether or not rats have lungs comparible to humans. However, the study's conclusion matches common sense: Tiny, ultrafine particles ( 15 nm modal diameter ) were rapidly eliminated from the lungs, and that agglomerated particles were not. In the lungs, one wants to avoid crystallization, and avoid breathing chalky or agglomerated silver. Therefore, the study supports using a good quality electrically isolated silver product in a quality ultrasonic nebulizer, and there is no reason given to suspect that dissolved ionic silver will build up in the lungs. Kind Regards, Jason M. G. Devour wrote: Hi folks! I've just devoted the better part of an hour analyzing the controversy over Silver particles in the lung and the imperative of winning arguments. I have traced the following evolution: One of our members, Deborah, suggested on another list the use of CS in a nebulizer. A person on that list, evidently a nurse, objected to this concept, claiming: ...if [silver particles] get down into the lungs, can interfere with the cellular transfer of oxygen and carbon dioxide. Ken responded to this assertion with this information: An experiment done by Phalen and Morrow circa 1974? discounts that idea. They had dogs inhale finely ground silver dust and 94% of it was found in their poop within 30 days. To which veganexus replied: we are not dogs. and we dont inhale silver dust either Ken then quipped: We don't generally chase cars either, but a car will still make a mess of a person if it's caught. Veganexus' rejoinder: no connection to arguement. i win again Ken responds with some meandering ribbing about this winning thing, then reiterates his position on the single factual point that seems to be at issue: A dogs lungs work so close to exactly like people lungs that valid testing can be done with them instead of risking harming people. Veganexus now ups the ante, adding a further irrelevancy to his thus far unsupported contradiction of Ken's contribution: you are wrong again. dogs are different from humans. ok? small particles pass through. dog lungs are not the same. a dog pants instead of perspiring. i fear you are clutching at straws having been defeated again. Ken expends an impressive amount of text explaining why panting does not disqualify dog lungs from being useful for study, then gets down to what seems to be emerging as the really IMPORTANT issue as far as Veganexus is concerned: What's with this winning thing? ... there is no valid arguement here to win OR lose. If an idea presented is more complete than mine, I'll adopt it in a heartbeat..and keep looking for an even more complete idea. I've heard some people call that 'learning'. Argueing is pointless. No one ever wins anything worth winning. Pinheads argue over whos point is the sharpest. Well, that might be a fun way to waste time, but it doesn't go anywhere... Do some reading or go ask a doctor who has taken both sets apart and actually looked and done a 'valid' comparison. ...then... help me change my mind. Veganexus, after reiterating his fixation on the disirability of proper conflict resolution (in his favor, that is), enlightens us with the profound thesis that dogs are a different species than man, that interspecies tissue transplants are usually unsuccessful, and that, therefore... drumroll, please... this proves that dogs' lungs cannot be used as a model for metal particle transport studies: look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. ... and THEN makes comments that not only accuse Ken of flaws of logic, intellect, and, presumably, personal hygiene, but brings in irrelevant and inappropriate *RELIGIOUS* issues as well!! you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Meanwhile Frank and Marshall have chimed in with useful information supporting both contentions, ie., that silver particulates do clear from the lungs, and that dog lung studies are well known to be applicable to humans. Finally, a few of others, Ernie, Dan, and Pete, notice the ongoing silliness and attempt to inject a little reasonableness into the fray, to which our hero responds: your compariso (sic) is inept and not germane.
Re: CSEmphesema and Acne
Hi, Pete, For Emphysema: You didn't mention nebulizing the CS, but I'd buy a nebulizer on ebay, and purchase some DMSO. To combat the garlicky odor with the DMSO, drink some liquid chlorophyll after each time you nebulize. Search the archives on the Silver List regarding DMSO. There is also a DMSO yahoo group. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO/ For Acne: We discussed this last year on the Silver List, there doesn't seem to be a real natural cure that works for everyone. In my experience it's hormone related. That means taking Rx hormones or accutane, which aren't great options either. My sons just finished taking accutane. They had the worst acne in their schools. My dad's skin was so badly scarred he actually had it sandpapered. There really isn't any way to fix the scars - I've asked. Take care, Cindy -- Original message -- Daddybob,Dr Harris, Ode and all, As many here know I have advanced Emphysema and have been fighting it for over two years now using the expertise I gain from this site and others. I regularly use EIS in my Omron comp air elite mister which I have found to be really helpful, plus daily dosages of my EIS in a grape-cranberry cocktail. If anyone can add any updates to further my progress with this disease I would be very grateful. Also I once mentioned my daughter, who will be 21yrs next month, as having severe Acne. We tried Proactiveplus several RXs and OTC remedies, in- cluding CS/EIS, but to no avail. Any help in this measure would also be genuinely appreciated! Pete
Re: CSEmphesema and Acne
Oddly enough, I've seen mention of rebounders (the litte trampolines) for emphysema. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBeck Protocol
I might add the V who is in this group sells the cs maker...includes a cd with all kinds of info on Beck. I didn't realize you could cook with cs does anything damage cs besides sunlight and air? Thanks everyone for the excellent flow of information to the hungry minds:)...deb
CSCS for eyedrops
I gave some cs to a friend who has a daughter had what looked like pink eye...she didn't want to go to the doc and asked me for some...she dropped it in her eye that night and by morning it was nice and clear.. By the way can we get into trouble by Lord knows who for giving cs to people for medical reasons? No fighting now kids :) thanks deb
CSacne
When my son had acne he got great and quick relief using a Don Croft zapper. The redness left in just a few days after getting much better after only an hour or so of beginning use. Then acne quickly became a non issue though it took some time to fully go away. It just quit being red and started healing up right away. He had been taking some Cansema capsules with good results before we got the zapper, but the zapper really helped too. It has been several years so my memory is shaky on exactly what did happen, but between the two, acne became history and very quickly. Hope this helps. It hurts really bad to have acne. I think a good probiotic would help. Best wishes, pj Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWater Vortex Magnetizer
What think yee great mindsdeb http://www.quantumbalancing.com/vortex_magnetizer.htm
CSEFT file
Yes, it is me, Terry Chamberlin, who will send the EFT files to whomever wants them. They come in the form of an attachment that is a zip compressed file. No, you wouldn't be able to get it on a library or school computer. You could if you downloaded it onto a floppy drive (if they let you), but the file is too big to fit on a floppy disk. Ruth, you need to dowload this file onto a friends computer, if possible. Ask the school/library if you can download a file attachment onto a floppy. If they say yes, I can send you a smaller file that will fit, but then you would need to take it to a computer where you are allowed to view it. __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS for eyedrops
Possibly, but the bigger danger is something not working right and the folks who begged for help will sue you. - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: CSCS for eyedrops I gave some cs to a friend who has a daughter had what looked like pink eye...she didn't want to go to the doc and asked me for some...she dropped it in her eye that night and by morning it was nice and clear.. By the way can we get into trouble by Lord knows who for giving cs to people for medical reasons? No fighting now kids :) thanks deb
Re: CS[List Owner] Dust-up over dust, winning at all cost...
Mike, I so deeply appreciate your summary! It was very well done, not to mention that I got a good laugh. After seeing the general decay into which the discussion had fallen, I simply hit delete. How nice to have this summary. Now I know what I (wasn't) missing. Best, Nenah - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: CS[List Owner] Dust-up over dust, winning at all cost... Hi folks! I've just devoted the better part of an hour analyzing the controversy over Silver particles in the lung and the imperative of winning arguments. I have traced the following evolution: One of our members, Deborah, suggested on another list the use of CS in a nebulizer. A person on that list, evidently a nurse, objected to this concept, claiming: ...if [silver particles] get down into the lungs, can interfere with the cellular transfer of oxygen and carbon dioxide. Ken responded to this assertion with this information: An experiment done by Phalen and Morrow circa 1974? discounts that idea. They had dogs inhale finely ground silver dust and 94% of it was found in their poop within 30 days. To which veganexus replied: we are not dogs. and we dont inhale silver dust either Ken then quipped: We don't generally chase cars either, but a car will still make a mess of a person if it's caught. Veganexus' rejoinder: no connection to arguement. i win again Ken responds with some meandering ribbing about this winning thing, then reiterates his position on the single factual point that seems to be at issue: A dogs lungs work so close to exactly like people lungs that valid testing can be done with them instead of risking harming people. Veganexus now ups the ante, adding a further irrelevancy to his thus far unsupported contradiction of Ken's contribution: you are wrong again. dogs are different from humans. ok? small particles pass through. dog lungs are not the same. a dog pants instead of perspiring. i fear you are clutching at straws having been defeated again. Ken expends an impressive amount of text explaining why panting does not disqualify dog lungs from being useful for study, then gets down to what seems to be emerging as the really IMPORTANT issue as far as Veganexus is concerned: What's with this winning thing? ... there is no valid arguement here to win OR lose. If an idea presented is more complete than mine, I'll adopt it in a heartbeat..and keep looking for an even more complete idea. I've heard some people call that 'learning'. Argueing is pointless. No one ever wins anything worth winning. Pinheads argue over whos point is the sharpest. Well, that might be a fun way to waste time, but it doesn't go anywhere... Do some reading or go ask a doctor who has taken both sets apart and actually looked and done a 'valid' comparison. ...then... help me change my mind. Veganexus, after reiterating his fixation on the disirability of proper conflict resolution (in his favor, that is), enlightens us with the profound thesis that dogs are a different species than man, that interspecies tissue transplants are usually unsuccessful, and that, therefore... drumroll, please... this proves that dogs' lungs cannot be used as a model for metal particle transport studies: look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. ... and THEN makes comments that not only accuse Ken of flaws of logic, intellect, and, presumably, personal hygiene, but brings in irrelevant and inappropriate *RELIGIOUS* issues as well!! you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Meanwhile Frank and Marshall have chimed in with useful information supporting both contentions, ie., that silver particulates do clear from the lungs, and that dog lung studies are well known to be applicable to humans. Finally, a few of others, Ernie, Dan, and Pete, notice the ongoing silliness and attempt to inject a little reasonableness into the fray, to which our hero responds: your compariso (sic) is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. And the FINAL, ultimately conclusive, irrefutable declaration of TRUTH!!... I DECLARE VICTORY AS I WAS RIGHT. Ummm. Yes. Right out of here. Sorry folks. Not enough benefits to offset the combative attitude. The list mission is to share information, learn from each other, and help people to heal... not to wage and win arguments at all
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs wins Oscar
I thought we were all beyond the I'm right and you were wrong stuff? I have not seen any proof, from either side of the equation. Could someone else, provide something viable to conclude this. I thought the discussion was brilliantly funny, much better and cleverer than TV, really enjoyable, always gave me a grin if not an outright guffaw, never took it seriously for an instant, or if I did it was such a small instant I have forgotten it, loved it when others pitched in in the same vein, wondered how long they'd be allowed to keep going, but looked forward to the next salvo! The I'm right stuff was just the icing on the cake to me! Sounded like two old pals having a great time! My poor old brain wouldn't have been able to concoct one reply, never mind many, but it sure did appreciate the joke! I shall be sad to see it conclude, but hope the exit provides a dumfounding reply that can't be beat anyway! Ro fr Oz -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKilling nanobacteria
Daddybob said: Just my little opinion, based on my reading and experiences. Take Lugol's iodine internally to force the nano's out of their comfort zone. EIS/CS also does same but not as fast. Drink Bragg vinegar to disable the nanobacteria. It contains the natural precursor to EDTA. Possibly strips them of their protective calcitic goo. Use a Beck unit 2-6 hours daily for 6-8 weeks. That's how I beat Degenerative Disk Disease and Lichen Planus. Thanks, Daddybob. This is something I really want to research, too. Did you also use VCNO (coconut oil)? Does anyone have a handy list of stuff that kills bad bugs in the body? I started concocting one once, but where is it? If a wide variety of antibiotics is beating the problem, maybe a multipronged non-pharma attack would be a good idea, too. A test at the naturopath yesterday indicated my Candida was no more. I had been taking CS, VCNO, a homeopathic topical preparation, some attention to diet, a little Lugol's. I was amazed, hardly expected to beat this problem for a long time, given the pictures of it in the intestines that I've seen on the net! I did also up my dose of CS having registered people were using pints and quarts! I did also use my Enar device on the wrist in case it would work as a blood zapper thingy, but plan to start small by building the apprentice zapper on microelectricitygermkiller and then perhaps graduate to Godzilla. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
Hmmm, I wonder... Though it's all over now, I have a suspicion that the I Win! protagonist might in reality have been a AI (artificial intelligence) bot program. Chuck Blessed are the Geeks, for they shall internet the earth. On 8/18/2005 2:05:49 PM, veganexus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico. ca writes: your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-l...@eskimo.c -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSacne
Hi there: I was wondering if your son was taking Cansema to get rid of acne originally. If so, what was the reasoning behind that? Also, where does one get information about/purchase the Don Croft zapper, and how would this be used to get rid of acne? I have had acne for 45 years. It sure would be nice to get rid of it. I have tried tetracycline, peroxide creams, probiotics, colon cleansing, allergy treatments, radiation. Nothing works. Thanks, Jill
Re: CSKilling nanobacteria - recipe for Herxheimer-beater
Take Lugol's iodine internally to force the nano's out of their comfort zone. (Daddybob) For getting rid of the resulting garbage, here is a recipe to reduce Herxheimer reactions and possibly help the lymph glands to filter and remove dying organisms : Whole Lemon-Olive Oil Drink. To prepare this natural remedy, place one whole unpeeled lemon (washed) in a blender with 1 cup of juice or water and 1 tablespoon of extra virgin olive oil. Blend in blender until smooth, then pour through a wire strainer. Discard pulp and drink liquid. This information was from one of the links below, but I forget whether it was raintree or digitalnaturopath. http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C670329.html - www.immuno-sci-lab.com http://www.theprover.com/article.php4?id=75 http://www.newtreatments.org/loadlocal.php?hid=789 www.calcify.com Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEFT file
Yes Terry, I would like to read them too. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ telt...@cableone.net Terry Chamberlin wrote: Yes, it is me, Terry Chamberlin, who will send the EFT files to whomever wants them. They come in the form of an attachment that is a zip compressed file. No, you wouldn't be able to get it on a library or school computer. You could if you downloaded it onto a floppy drive (if they let you), but the file is too big to fit on a floppy disk. Ruth, you need to dowload this file onto a friends computer, if possible. Ask the school/library if you can download a file attachment onto a floppy. If they say yes, I can send you a smaller file that will fit, but then you would need to take it to a computer where you are allowed to view it. __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSiodine and DMSO
We are currently using DMSO and iodine for the removal of a sebacous cyst as promoted by Dr. Jonathan Wright. At first I tried to mix the dmso gel and iodine together. It did not mix well. Then I decided to try applying the iodine to the skin over they cyst. let it breifly dry then coat with the dmso gel. This seems to work well. After only two applications I can feel that the cyst is changing in firmness. The treatment is only suppose to take a week. We are anticipating a positive outcome. The cyst is located on my sons neck. He had been bugging me to get it surgically removed. Well, in a few days we will know if it will be necessary. Will let you know. Barb
Re: CSiodine and DMSO
jdurfeeath...@aol.com wrote: We are currently using DMSO and iodine for the removal of a sebacous cyst as promoted by Dr. Jonathan Wright. At first I tried to mix the dmso gel and iodine together. It did not mix well. Then I decided to try applying the iodine to the skin over they cyst. let it breifly dry then coat with the dmso gel. This seems to work well. After only two applications I can feel that the cyst is changing in firmness. The treatment is only suppose to take a week. We are anticipating a positive outcome. The cyst is located on my sons neck. He had been bugging me to get it surgically removed. Well, in a few days we will know if it will be necessary. Will let you know. Barb dr. jonathan wright, a good man... what would be the negatives to use this on a cyst on a dog's chest. do dogs tolerate iodine enough to use this modality hhhm jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
