Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-05-10 02:01, Paul Koning wrote: On May 9, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2019-05-10 01:46, Paul Koning wrote: On May 9, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote: (It's been a long time since I've played with SMAC on wireless. I did get it to work, but it

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 9, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > On 2019-05-10 01:46, Paul Koning wrote: >>> On May 9, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) >>> wrote: >>> >>> (It's been a long time since I've played with SMAC on wireless. I did get >>> it to work, but it wasn't worth the

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-05-10 01:43, Paul Koning wrote: On May 9, 2019, at 3:15 PM, Henry Bent wrote: There is such a thing as promiscuous mode for 802.11, though its usage is generally considered to be for harmful purposes and I don't think a discussion of it here is appropriate. It's no more

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-05-10 01:46, Paul Koning wrote: On May 9, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote: (It's been a long time since I've played with SMAC on wireless. I did get it to work, but it wasn't worth the pain to me, so I upgraded to DECNET/OSI non-compatibility mode.) IIRC, when

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 9, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) > wrote: > > (It's been a long time since I've played with SMAC on wireless. I did get it > to work, but it wasn't worth the pain to me, so I upgraded to DECNET/OSI > non-compatibility mode.) > > IIRC, when you start DECNET IV, it

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 9, 2019, at 3:15 PM, Henry Bent wrote: > > There is such a thing as promiscuous mode for 802.11, though its usage is > generally considered to be for harmful purposes and I don't think a > discussion of it here is appropriate. It's no more inappropriate for Wifi than it is for

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Stafford Winters
I successfully configured DECnet over IP using MultiNet.  I'd guess you have MultiNet on another system, with whom you'd like to speak DECnet, so it shouldn't be hard. On 5/9/2019 12:51 PM, Jonathan Welch wrote: It has been a considerable time since I have done any networking work -- would

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 12:20 PM, David Hittner wrote: [...] > IIRC, when you start DECNET IV, it sends a broadcast packet to see if there > is an > address collision with the hard-coded DECNET IV address before it changes the > MAC to the DECNET IV MAC. Actually, this is a feature of the

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Larry Baker
Jonathan, MultiNet includes a feature to tunnel DECnet over IP. We did that many years ago. You will need to run MultiNet on both ends of the virtual circuit. Depending on the topology of your DECnet, it may also be that at least one of your DECnet nodes may have to be a DECnet area router.

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 12:52 PM, Jonathan Welch wrote: > It has been a considerable time since I have done any networking work > -- would you get me going in the right direction for setting up NAT on > Windows? There is nothing host specific about this. You get the basics with: sim>

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Jonathan Welch
It has been a considerable time since I have done any networking work -- would you get me going in the right direction for setting up NAT on Windows? On 5/9/19, Mark Pizzolato wrote: > On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Welch wrote: >> I just moved to a wired connection and now am

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Hittner, David T [US] (MS)
There is another potential solution for DECNET IV packet transmission over IP-only wireless, but it requires two computers: set up an IP tunnel between your wireless PC and a PC on the wired network, and shove the DECNET packets through the IP tunnel letting the tunnel wrap/unwrap the DECNET

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-05-09 21:20, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote: (It's been a long time since I've played with SMAC on wireless. I did get it to work, but it wasn't worth the pain to me, so I upgraded to DECNET/OSI non-compatibility mode.) IIRC, when you start DECNET IV, it sends a broadcast packet to

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-05-09 21:15, Henry Bent wrote: There is such a thing as promiscuous mode for 802.11, though its usage is generally considered to be for harmful purposes and I don't think a discussion of it here is appropriate.  If you want to do such a thing you will need to be careful in your

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Hittner, David T [US] (MS)
(It's been a long time since I've played with SMAC on wireless. I did get it to work, but it wasn't worth the pain to me, so I upgraded to DECNET/OSI non-compatibility mode.) IIRC, when you start DECNET IV, it sends a broadcast packet to see if there is an address collision with the hard-coded

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-05-09 20:14, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote: There probably isn't a way to set the host network device's MAC address so that won't get you there. If you are privileged enough, SMAC can set the MAC address on Windows. Google "smac change mac address". Not that it helps much,

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Henry Bent
There is such a thing as promiscuous mode for 802.11, though its usage is generally considered to be for harmful purposes and I don't think a discussion of it here is appropriate. If you want to do such a thing you will need to be careful in your selection of a wireless interface, and googling is

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-05-09 19:30, Mark Pizzolato wrote: On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Welch wrote: I just moved to a wired connection and now am having success. Good point about walking before running. I'm on npcap 0.994 current as of last night. I turned off DECNET to eliminate one

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
Repeat after me: WiFi is not ethernet... :-) What you are trying to do essentially does not work. simh is essentially trying to set the interface in promiscuous mode, and fake a second mac address on the interface. This works just fine on ethernet, but it does not at all work on WiFi, where

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 11:14 AM, David T Hittner wrote: > > There probably isn't a way to set the host network device's MAC address so > that won't get you there. > > If you are privileged enough, SMAC can set the MAC address on Windows. > Google "smac change mac address". Thanks for that

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Welch wrote: > I just moved to a wired connection and now am having success. Good point > about walking before running. > > I'm on npcap 0.994 current as of last night. > > I turned off DECNET to eliminate one source of possible trouble. It would

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Jonathan Welch
I just moved to a wired connection and now am having success. Good point about walking before running. I'm on npcap 0.994 current as of last night. I turned off DECNET to eliminate one source of possible trouble. It would be nice to have it on at some point in the future. sim> sho ver

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 7:00 AM, Jonathan Welch wrote: > The vms systems on our campus are about to be shut down. My former > boss and I would like to still have access to our files, so I've moved > an image of a vax system disk into simh. > > He is a networking expert and I am no slouch,

Re: [Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Zane Healy
Have you tried running over a wired connection, rather than a wireless connection? You might also try running SIMH under a Linux VM. Zane > On May 9, 2019, at 7:00 AM, Jonathan Welch wrote: > > The vms systems on our campus are about to be shut down. My former > boss and I would like to

[Simh] Vax.exe emulator and Multinet network configuring

2019-05-09 Thread Jonathan Welch
The vms systems on our campus are about to be shut down. My former boss and I would like to still have access to our files, so I've moved an image of a vax system disk into simh. He is a networking expert and I am no slouch, but neither of us can figure out why we cannot establish any kind of