Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-11 Thread tcb
Hi, This fairly simple change does exactly what I want- preserves the current rotation on a file refresh. It takes the rotation of the current page and applies that rotation to all pages of the refreshed document- if you have documents with different applied rotations for individual pages then

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-07 Thread Fischlin Andreas
Please try to understand each other. Adam's last E-mail is quite useful and perhaps may cut through this Gordian discussion knot ;-) If I may try to sum up as clearly as possible: Page orientation is only stored in the individual page objects, all different instantiations (I hope I got this

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-07 Thread Christiaan Hofman
On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:13, Thomas Schneider wrote: Justin: I'm confused. In your original note, you said that you set landscape mode by hand. Is that true? My program (lister) creates the image in landscape mode by using the PostScript rotate and moveto functions. As I understand

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-07 Thread Thomas Schneider
Andreas: If I may try to sum up as clearly as possible: Page orientation is only stored in the individual page objects, all different instantiations (I hope I got this right). When you do a refresh, all these objects are discarded and the information is lost (unless you would first save it).

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-07 Thread Adam R. Maxwell
On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:01 , Thomas Schneider wrote: Alternately, you could hack Skim to get each page's rotation and apply it to the new document when you reload, or store a flag somewhere indicating that you had previously rotated pages. I looked at the available tools and checked again.

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-07 Thread Thomas Schneider
Adam: I believe you overlooked Tools-Rotate Page Left and Tools-Rotate Page Right on the main menu. As in most applications, toolbar buttons are only a subset of all possible actions. Thanks much for taking the time to point out that, I had indeed missed it. From what you said, all the

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-07 Thread Maxwell, Adam R
On Jan 7, 2011, at 14:23, Thomas Schneider wrote: The simplest solution is to forget the detailed rotations but to keep the global changes, just as the page is kept - even though it may be inconsistent in some cases. The user will understand what they have done! Is that a resonable

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-06 Thread Christiaan Hofman
On Jan 6, 2011, at 2:18, Thomas Schneider wrote: Christiaan: No, the problem is that you won't accept my explanation No, I understood your explanation and it's not relevant. You didn't explain why N numbers are needed when obviously 1 (with 4 values) will clearly do to set the state of

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-06 Thread Christiaan Hofman
Page rotation is not a view setting, it's part of the PDF data That's why this is not not a bug. Behavior is also consistent with e.g. Preview. So your expectation is wrong. It won't work properly for many reasons, the once I detailed are already sufficient. Quite frankly, I think this

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-06 Thread tcb
Hi, hmm... well its the view settings we were discussing. The pdf file obviously contains orientation settings (Thomas made it clear they are not part of the discussion)- when viewing the pdf the user can choose the view settings, like the zoom/pan and page orientation. That's what the items in

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-06 Thread Thomas Schneider
Justin: I'm confused. In your original note, you said that you set landscape mode by hand. Is that true? My program (lister) creates the image in landscape mode by using the PostScript rotate and moveto functions. As I understand this, that means that the PDF file doesn't mention the

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-06 Thread Adam R. Maxwell
On Jan 6, 2011, at 22:13 , Thomas Schneider wrote: Skim clearly holds a single parameter defining the display orientation of ALL pages for the entire document. It is NOT, I repeat, NOT the rotation of individual pages independently. Your repetition of this reminds me of a favorite quote [1].

[Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-05 Thread Thomas Schneider
I am using Skim to watch a PDF using the refresh mechanism. Another program creates the PDF and replaces it and Skim shows the changes so I don't have to do any mousing. (Automation is provided by my atchange program, http://alum.mit.edu/www/toms/atchange.html.) This works beautifully.

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-05 Thread Maxwell, Adam R
On Jan 5, 2011, at 14:02, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 22:08, Thomas Schneider wrote: I am using Skim to watch a PDF using the refresh mechanism. Another program creates the PDF and replaces it and Skim shows the changes so I don't have to do any mousing. (Automation is

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-05 Thread Thomas Schneider
Adam: Thanks for responding. Why not use the revert command through AppleScript or osascript to reload the file? That is safer and more efficient than having Skim watch it for changes. I suspect it's also possible to get/set the rotation in that same script, but Christiaan would know for

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-05 Thread Thomas Schneider
Adam: Thanks for responding. Why not use the revert command through AppleScript or osascript to reload the file? That is safer and more efficient than having Skim watch it for changes. I suspect it's also possible to get/set the rotation in that same script, but Christiaan would know for

Re: [Skim-app-users] rotation bug

2011-01-05 Thread Thomas Schneider
Christiaan: No, the problem is that you won't accept my explanation No, I understood your explanation and it's not relevant. You didn't explain why N numbers are needed when obviously 1 (with 4 values) will clearly do to set the state of how the entire document is viewed. I am not saying