Re: [SLUG] Aussie IT deficit hits $15bn

2001-10-23 Thread Richard Hayes
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:44, eurk-dsl wrote: Does anyone have any figures on how much M$ are helping the deficit each year in Australia? My personal guess is of the order of $2.5 billion per year. Imagine the impact on the balance of trade and therefore the wealth of the nation if M$ was

Re: [SLUG] Aussie IT deficit hits $15bn

2001-10-23 Thread Craige McWhirter
IIRC there is a SLUG member involved in some way with the Greens who said that the open source battle was lost to ignorance / indifference. On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 02:52, Mike Lake wrote: Yes, I was thinking of this on the weekend when I was looking at the Greens Policy's on their pages at

Re: [SLUG] Aussie IT deficit hits $15bn

2001-10-23 Thread David Fitch
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 05:04:38PM +1000, Craige McWhirter wrote: IIRC there is a SLUG member involved in some way with the Greens who said that the open source battle was lost to ignorance / indifference. and a fair bit of plain old stupidity I'd say too. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User

Re: [SLUG] Aussie IT deficit hits $15bn

2001-10-23 Thread eurk-dsl
Thus spake David Fitch: it doesn't really matter who owes who how much money, it's all just imaginery money (what are they going to do? foreclose on the country?) I beg to differ: The world needs trade, but not for products that have viable alternatives. 'Balance of Trade' which affects

Re: [SLUG] Re: Tar over SSH

2001-10-23 Thread Herbert Xu
Mike Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 10:37:40PM +, Herbert Xu wrote: Angus Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only echo if bash is in interactive mode (don't know how you check that off the top of my head. in tcsh you see if $prompt is defined) [ ${-#*i} != $- ]

Re: [SLUG] Corrupt deb system.

2001-10-23 Thread Ken Foskey
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Ken Foskey My system died and perl libraries have been corrupted. /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Defoma/IdCache.pm has too many errors. Debian, how do I force a reinstall on these libraries? Well, I'm not Debian, but I think I can answer your question for him/her/it.

Re: [SLUG] Aussie IT deficit hits $15bn

2001-10-23 Thread David
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, David Fitch wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:09:52AM +1000, Richard Hayes wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:44, eurk-dsl wrote: Does anyone have any figures on how much M$ are helping the deficit each year in Australia? My personal guess is of the order of $2.5

[SLUG] Free PDF editing tools

2001-10-23 Thread Mike Lake
Richard Hayes wrote on Fri Oct 12 14:48:02 2001 Dear List, I use ps2pdf to create PDFs. Is there any free /open source tools that allows me to edit a pdf file? I just came across pstoedit accidentlly and remembered you post Richard. pstoedit: Description: PostScript and PDF files to

[SLUG] imagemagick install

2001-10-23 Thread cpaul
just trying to install imagemagick (and perlmagick) on a RH6.2 system from the binaries at my local imagemagick mirror. the imagemagick rpm wants bzip 1.0.0 - cool - but if i try: # rpm -Uvh bzip2-1.0.0-1.i386.rpm i get: error: failed dependencies: libbz2.so.0 is needed by

[SLUG] A problem getting ADSL to work

2001-10-23 Thread Howard Lowndes
I have a client who has taken up an ADSL connection with Flow Comms and I am having the devil getting it working correctly. ASCII piccy Private network 192.168.1.0/24 | |-- 192.168.1.20 (234.234.234.235)

[SLUG] Bare-bones laptop

2001-10-23 Thread Gnuthad
I seem to recall someone asking for details of any bare-bones laptops available, but I can't remember who it was or where it was. I think it was this list. Anyone recall if someone here was after such a laptop (no CPU/HDD)? I have located someone who can supply them, got the details for

[SLUG] Re: A problem getting ADSL to work

2001-10-23 Thread Howard Lowndes
Except that this is not a bridged connection so it doesn't use PPP On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Well, if you're not going to use the 172.24.1.2, how about removing it altogether? If you use ifconfig to replace the local IP address with the 234.234.234.234, does that

Re: [SLUG] A problem getting ADSL to work

2001-10-23 Thread Jeffrey Borg
You could do what I did to get satellite working using an aliases address for outgoing stuff say it's eth0 and eth0:0 so route del default route add default gw 172.24.1.1 dev eth0:0 would do the trick. (well it works on ppp links, I can not see how it wouldn't work on ethernet) On Tue, 23 Oct

Re: [SLUG] A problem getting ADSL to work

2001-10-23 Thread chesty
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:26:05PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: Basically I need the 172.24.1.1 address to be the default gateway, but I always want the Linux Box to say that its interface address to that default gateway is 234.234.234.234 for the purposes of pinging and masquerading.

RE: [SLUG] imagemagick install

2001-10-23 Thread Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP
In instances like these, I have used the -ivh -force and -nodeps and then got the later rpm from the install cd and done an rpm -force on that rather than a -uvh so that you get the earlier library files and the later library files as well. Does that explain it well. It is not an ideal

Re: [SLUG] A problem getting ADSL to work

2001-10-23 Thread chesty
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:19:48AM +1000, chesty wrote: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o eth1 -s 172.24.1.1 -j SNAT --to 234.234.234.234 sorry, it should be 172.24.1.2 not 172.24.1.1. -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info:

Re: [SLUG] A problem getting ADSL to work

2001-10-23 Thread Jeffrey Borg
Opps one more thing to that diagram You will need to use eth1 as the interface with the alias. otherwise it won't work at all. Otherwise it will try and send the packets out the eth0 interface back onto your local lan. On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Jeffrey Borg wrote: You could do what I did to get

Re: [SLUG] Corrupt deb system.

2001-10-23 Thread Matt Hope
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ken Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... : /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Defoma/IdCache.pm has too many errors. : Dear debian, : : But I did do a apt-get install perl --reinstall.Still broken. Could be that file isnt provided by the package 'perl'. Try typing... dpkg -S

Re: [SLUG] Aussie IT deficit hits $15bn

2001-10-23 Thread David Fitch
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:00:02PM +1000, eurk-dsl wrote: Thus spake David Fitch: it doesn't really matter who owes who how much money, it's all just imaginery money (what are they going to do? foreclose on the country?) I beg to differ: The world needs trade, but not for products

Re: [SLUG] Aussie IT deficit hits $15bn

2001-10-23 Thread David Fitch
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:04:08PM +1000, David wrote: Is this relevant for SLUG? YES. If we don't advocate a sensible alternative.. who will? OSS is a commodity, and carries with it a viable industry.. .support, installation, new software (far easier than under a proprietry model). Tell

Re: [SLUG] Aussie IT deficit hits $15bn

2001-10-23 Thread Richard Hayes
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:48, David Fitch wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:04:08PM +1000, David wrote: Is this relevant for SLUG? YES. If we don't advocate a sensible alternative.. who will? OSS is a commodity, and carries with it a viable industry.. .support, installation, new software

[SLUG] Lindows ? Is this a hoax or for real

2001-10-23 Thread Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP
http://www.lindows.com/index.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug

Re: [SLUG] Lindows ? Is this a hoax or for real

2001-10-23 Thread Rick Welykochy
Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP wrote: http://www.lindows.com/index.html Sounds like a good idea. There are heaps of useful programmes that only run on Windoze. The capability to run Win software and Linux software on one O/S could be a Microsoft killer! disclaimer: useful programmes does NOT

[SLUG] Interesting error

2001-10-23 Thread jon
When searching M$'s knowledgebase today, this error was regurgitated on a simple word speed up keywork search; -- Server Error in '/' Application. The resource cannot be found.

[SLUG] XP launch

2001-10-23 Thread jon
Anyone going to either session tomorrow for a laugh ? I'll be at the morning one if people want to arrange to meet and attend en masse, as it were... Something about safety in numbers...:[p) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info:

[SLUG] Microsoft Quality Programming in C

2001-10-23 Thread Rick Welykochy
I recall a few postings regarding Quality C Programming as described in a Microsoft text. The posting was perhaps on this list, about a week ago. I recall it being so funny and oxymoronic that I want the title of the book. Was this mentioned on SLUG or do I need a lobotomy? I couldn't find it

[SLUG] Next SLUG Meeting - Friday, 26th October, 2001

2001-10-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
Next SLUG Meeting - Friday, 26th October, 2001 * When: 6:30pm - about 9pm (then dinner, etc) * Where: UTS, Central Sydney: http://slug.org.au/slugmeet.shtml The Usual Suspects - 6:30pm * QA - What has Linux done for/to me lately? * Linux News Discussion

[SLUG] Re: A problem getting ADSL to work

2001-10-23 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:26:05PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: | 172.24.1.2 | - eth1| | ^^^ ADSL Service Provider

[SLUG] Re: A problem getting ADSL to work

2001-10-23 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:50:32AM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: Except that this is not a bridged connection so it doesn't use PPP Sorry, I'd assumed it was a PPPoE connection. -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ Magnetism, electricity and motion are like a