Re: [RCSE] Icon 2

2008-08-25 Thread David Webb
I was not aware that there was an Icon 2 poem contest.

This is a good start.

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Phil Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Icon 2
 I never have won a contest...
 I never fly contests...
 There is nothing  that I wish to contest.
 I fly for the pure fun of it and nothing less.
 Good toys are very rare... and time is short...
 Icon2

 Phil
 Santa Fe





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Re: [RCSE] In Memory of RCSE

2008-08-25 Thread David Webb
Hrm , dumb question but why not update the server O/S?

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Mike Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The time is now for the end of RCSE.

 RCSE has been around forever in Internet years, since the 90's.  I can't
 even remember when it started. Some of the online stuff goes back to around
 1999, I know I have some stuff back to 1996 and that is definitely not the
 oldest stuff.

 Posts to the list have gone down, mostly stuff about events that are
 happening out there.  There hasn't been too much serious discussion in a
 while and flame wars, well everyone has been civilized.

 The equipment that the list is running on is aging and it's kind of hard to
 get excited about a mailing list these days.  RCSE has been around forever
 in Internet years, since the early 90's.  I can't even remember when it
 started. The computer guys at Airage want to shut the server down as soon as
 they can.  It's not too cool to be running a Windows NT server these days.
  There are probably other security reasons to shut it down.

 I don't have a shut down date for RCSE, but expect it to be soon.So if
 you have any favorite memories, please post them to the list before it goes
 away. Maybe you can mention your favorite technical guru's discussion, flame
 war or Sal bashing.  And sorry, RCSE won't cover the infamous challenge by
 Lucas to Joe.

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Re: [RCSE] Contest idea....Time on tow penalty for TD?

2008-07-15 Thread David Webb
That would be interesting. It could force short tows even in conditions that
are nominal. It's also good discipline for learning short launches and low
alt recovery.

I think the added man power requirement and potential for human error would
kill this if you added a launch time keeper at each station.

Each club would need a PA system and working times other wise individual
timers would be required for each launch. If they use a PA system thent he
time just starts and stops when the plane comes off the hook and
landssame outcome.

DW









On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 After watching the World F3J  I had an idea for a contest...

 Incorporate the time penalty on tow that they have in F3J but in a TD
 format.

 You would have a timer at each winch who would time your launch and write
 that time down on your card...  For example if it were a 10 min task and you
 towed for 6 sec the best time you could get would be a 9:54 even though you
 flew a perfect 10... Or even better... Double the time on tow penalty, so if
 it was a 6 sec tow the best time you could get would be 9:48. Seems to me it
 would throw more strategy and fun into a normal TD contest

 Suggestions ? Comments?

 Craig





Re: [RCSE] eneloop question

2008-07-13 Thread David Webb
They typically come charged right out of the package however like any
battery you should be checking them to ensure that each cel is up to par. I
would trickle and discharge twice and check to make sure you are within 10%
of the rating.

DW

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wrote:

 Do the Eneloop cells require forming like the conventional cells?  That
 is, should a pack made of Eneloop cells be slow charged/discharged serveral
 times before use?

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Re: [RCSE] A message to D. Perkins, Champion of F3B and Lord of the Calamari

2008-05-31 Thread David Webb
While we are on the same err kind of same topic I would publically like to
thank the bonhead who donated the tow equipment into my bag at the end of
the F3J in the Rockies contest. TSA at Denver Airport make me dissasemble my
entire Backpack to get a closer look at the stakes contained in it. I had no
idea they were even there!

Next time please deposite a decent stop watch or maybe a winder and some
reels :)




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 In a message dated 5/31/2008 1:02:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 how is a public demand for return of property avoiding public
 embarrassment?

 Embarrassed? Are we talking about the same Perkins??

 Don Richmond
 San Diego, CA (Pensacola, FL for a few weeks)
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Re: [RCSE] A message to D. Perkins, Champion of F3B and Lord of the Calamari

2008-05-31 Thread David Webb
As an actual practitioner of Jewish/ Scottish Hoodoo I would recommend that
you be careful of what or who you say is or maybe cursed I tried to
Curse Mr Perkins last weekend and in some weird twist of fate I think I came
in last in Denver. I will have to take a hoodoo refresher course.

DW




On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Phil Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I want the word to go out that the magical blessed stop watch is now
 cursed.

 Cursed means:
 If you have MY watch, use it or not, the following will come to pass:

 You will NEVER win a contest
 You will NEVER come in first loser or third or fourth of fifth etc.
 Your sailplane will need extensive re kitting. (hope you like fixing hollow
 molded wings)
 You caller will talk you into bad air.
 Your tow line will somehow develop a bad rash...  ping and that air did
  look soo good.
 Plus your car will not start.

 All of this will happen.

 The watch has lost it's good juju and now will become a talisman of doom.
 You have been warned

 It has been written..

 Bozo






Re: [RCSE] 2.4

2008-05-29 Thread David Webb
Darwin, I think your answer lies in the unique qualities and general low
numbers of the soaring communities.

 INMHO I think the lack of Soaring adoption into 2.4 occurs for a few
reasons that follow but are not limited to:

The standard TX for many soaring enthusiasts is the Sanwa / Airtronics
 Stylus and many are waiting for a 2.4 GHZ module due out before next
season. The JR and Futaba systems offer most of the Stylus functionality and
in some cases a few features I would like to see on a stylus but many pilots
are loath to give up their Stylus yet. If  Sanwa fails ot get thier module
out I May have to fly JR myself.

People don't want to poke holes in their nose cone or fuse to allow the two
whiskers to exit. 2.4 friendly noses are becomeing main stream and this may
also push adoption up.

The FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) factor is still high. I just attended
an f3J contest and someone on my flight line had to get a backup model
because thier primary failed to  bind up. Many see 2.4 technology as still
teething and would like to see it get to a more critical mass before putting
it into something as unforgiving as an unpowered aircraft. Fail safe in a
glider is a crap shoot at best so trying out a new technology that could
leave you free flying is just plain scary.


The real pressure to move to 2.4 is to attain a frequency-less situation
that avoids conflicts. Glider pilots are the geeks of the R/C crowd and at
the  fields I fly, on a sunny Saturday or Sunday morning I have a hard time
finding another pilot to talk to let alone conflict with. I have to make a
call and organize to get someone to show up there when I am flying!

Contest pilots are the ones who are moving fairly fast towards 2.4 which is
a very small number of a select small crowd. I will be there next season
myself.  My secondary field is very close to a private power field so the
prospect of removing conflicts is my main advantage.


My main concern is that 2.4 is unregulated. I wonder how long will it
be before we are competing for space along with channel hopping WIFI cards,
SUPER long range household phones and other devises. Unregulated spectrum
rarely creates good communication between industries. I am sure that given
any pressure that manufactureres will inovate and overcome so I will see you
in 09 with a 2.4 glider :)

Just my two cents.







On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Darwin Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I thought 2.4 was all the rage. People abandoning 72 and ham band en masse
 to use 2.4 and selling everything off.  So, why are we not seeing it as much
 in the sailplane world?

 At the SW Classic there were not nearly as many as I expected. I did not
 get the count but it was far less than we thought we'd get.  Now, I was
 reviewing the pilot list for the IHLGF and see that there are only 4 pilots
 using 2.4, myself included (53 total entries).

 I am using the Futaba Fasst System. I have the 9C Super transmitter with
 the 2.4 Fasst Module and the 607 Fasst receivers in my Blaster, Blaster 2
 and Vandal. These small receivers fit nicely and the two whisker antennas
 are easily exited from the fuselage.

 So far they are working great with no range issues. Admittedly, I have not
 used the system in a crowded environment, but I have no doubt it will work
 fine.

 Darwin N. Barrie
 Chandler AZ
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Re: [RCSE] 2.4

2008-05-29 Thread David Webb
Larry you make a lot of reasonable points as always. I am going to give
Sanwa the time they requested to produce the first stage of the Stylus
replacement (the 2.4 module) and having failed that will be looking at JR. I
have no issues with Futaba but I have to state that data logging really
appeals to me and I have yet to find an unhappy JR 2.4 customer.



On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I'm a little biased being on Team Futaba. Despite the brand loyalty,
 I've looked at all of them and find the Futaba 2.4 receivers the most
 practical for the soaring application.

 Darwin,
  I can't fault you for being a little biased being a team flyer and all.
 But in all fairness it is obvious that the new JR 12X is the ultimate radio
 for all our applications. Granted I plan to keep my 9303's for my HLG's and
 Helicopters. But when it comes to the expensive big stuff there is just one
 choice, the 12X. By the way you might want to go over to the Horizon website
 and check out all the new Rx's made especially for the power usage's
 required in the IMAC models and large scale ships where a RX with real beef
 in the power department will keep you from getting those embarrassing
 expensive brownouts when you can least tolerate them. And for all of you
 guys running non DSM 2.4 systems and think you have the optimal RX
 installation, you are dreaming. Additional Auxiliary RX's are not a sign of
 a deficient system but a feature of a well thought out system that allows
 for fine tuning the RF paths in the model. I do fly quite a few 6 channel
 DSM RX's and have to fine tune the RX install because they small Rx's don't
 have data logger capability. I always check a new install with the 7 and 9
 channel RX's with the data logger. It is quick and easy, and offers a
 serious peace of mind when you have you 2K moldy a mile and a half down
 wind. I believe that you will see 2.4 become the norm much quicker than
 predicted here, won't it be nice to run the SWC with NO TX impound?? Think
 about the cattle chute at Visalia disappearing?  Oh Yea 2.4 is the ticket
 and the train has left the station.
 Larry Jolly   Feeling the Difference




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Re: [RCSE] Craig Greening

2008-05-21 Thread David Webb
YES he is and they still rock.

order direct and save yourself some time...

http://www.servoframes.com/

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Klaus Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Folks.
 Does anyone know if Craig Greening is still manufacturing servo mounts. I
 have sent him several emails, to no avail.  Maybe he just doesn't want to
 reply to o'seas customers. Any info?

 Klaus Weiss
 Airsports R.C.
 www.airsportsrc.com.au


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Re: [RCSE] Sanyo AA Eneloop Rechargeable Batteries

2008-05-11 Thread David Webb
I am using enloope's in a 4 cell pack in all my contest planes ( 2 Perfects
and a Shadow). I am using airtronics 761's and JR 368's servo's. They charge
out in all cases right on the money and it would appear that I use up about
500 Mah per hour or in Voltage reading they come off the charger at 5.8v
settle down to about 5.72 v and after about an hour of 1 minute tasks they
are down to roughly 5.3v.  I have not measured the internal cel resistance
(not sure of an exact procedure to be honest) however when I get them home
and cycle them I always have at least 1300 MAh left after an hour. I have
NOT run them much more than an hour and a half since these are new batteries
and I have little time to do a full test however at 300Mah discharge they
take 3 hours to reach a full discharge.

I also use them in my TX packs on my stylus. The cells are a very tight fit
for this application and you have to modify the cartridge to get them to
fit. I think in general although they work well in this application giving
me about 6 hours of run time I would just use a 3000mah Lipo battery
instead. It would be easier to fit and it would last all day.

I tested the self discharge rates of the RX packs and after 6 months the
pack was still at 5.6v which was reason enough for me to try them since I
can literally store them all winter without fear of a deep self discharge. I
can now charge--- store fly although I am religious about checking
voltage between flights.

Costco is selling these batteries cheap and they appear to be working quite
well though I have seen sanyo with a 3500 MAH battery as well. I think this
has typical self discharge features though.

Let me know if you need more data.

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wrote:

 Has anyone on the exchange had any first hand experience with these
 batteries. I acquired 4 from a friend and made up a flight pack. Cycled them
 twice and they were right on the money at 2000mA.  My concern is that I will
 be running 6 JR digital servos on this battery, therefore does anyone know
 the internal impedance for these batteries?  All comments welcome

 Regards,

 Robert

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Re: [RCSE] 2A2FER on RDS8000

2008-05-02 Thread David Webb
You have summarized what I posted about 2 years ago regarding this radio.
People keep posting that it is suitable for TD and DLG's but really its not
at all. You may be able to find a way to attain a pre set camber position.
IMHO this is not acceptable because camber is like a musical instrument you
tune while you fly you don't just throw it on and hit C#. Some pilots may
actually use camber like this but then again some people may possibly only
hit one key on the piano and decide that is ok for them too :) I personally
prefer the option of tuning my camber perfectly for the lift I am currently
in.

Then you realize that camber at the expense of not being able to support a
launch preset just blows this radio out of the water for anything in the
soaring arena aside from maybe RES

I have an RD8000 and two Stylus's (styli?) Anyways I would just love to keep
flying Airtronics but it appears that the engineers are really not paying
attention when they write the code for these radio's.

This is my last season on an Airtronics TX RX which is sad to say because I
really like this radio (stylus). I think the greater of the soaring
community would still be flying Airtronics as well if they would just pay a
little closer attention to these details.

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oops - sent last email before it was cooked. It's time to change the
 subject anyway. So once you've got the servos plugged into the correct
 channels and the flap mix worked out, you can use the 3 pos switch to
 set the camber and reflex. Note that camber is only going to work on
 the ailerons, as we chose to use the throttle for actuating the flaps.
 Set reflex by putting the 3pos switch in the normal position (not the
 center position) - and adjusting the aileron and PF CNT (ch's 26) for
 what you like for reflex. Move the 3pos switch to center and use the
 FLAP EPA to center the ailerons - then use the other FLAP EPA to set
 camber. I do not like the 3pos switch on the right so I moved it to
 the left side and flipped it over so the away position is reflex just
 like the stylus. This is the recommended switch arrangement for helis
 (3pos on left). Unfortunately, you cannot get a launch preset for the
 flaps. I tried using the gear switch and cmix2 G-THR but it only
 moves one flap as the mixes are not pass-thru (they mix channel-
 channel not function - function). You can get elevator comp mix for
 the flaps using the throttle- elevator mix. One item you might find
 trouble with is the operation of the on-off slide switch on the left
 side labeled CMIX1-2,AUX1. I was confused if this switch was used for:

 1. Aileron- Rudder Mix ON/OFF
 2. AUX1 HI- LO
 3. CMIX1 or 2 ON/OFF

 It turns out if does all 3. It definitely turns on/off aileron to
 rudder mix. It also turns on/off BOTH CMIX1 AND CMIX2.
 I can't see that it actually activates AUX1 to either high or low but
 it does select AUX1 high or low when setting the EPA for ch7. The
 switch on the right does the same for AUX2.
 Why is this important? If you're using either CMIX full time, you need
 to leave the left side switch in the up positon at all times. If you
 turn it off with this setup, the slave flap on aux2 goes down.
 You can't turn AI-RU mix off without turning off cmixes either. Not
 well thought out at all.  Oh well.
 So because of the camber and launch setup limitations, this is not
 really a useable setup for TD, but is fine for a 2A2FER slope plane. I
 plan on copying this setup to use on a full-house electric (using the
 gear channel for the throttle).

 Mark
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Re: [RCSE] The Stylus, Airtronics, and Houdini

2008-04-30 Thread David Webb
Yes its one of those new technical terms like ping  lag and whackadoo
:) But the context was used inappropriately.

Seriously they way I type out a message and typically fail to hit spellcheck
I would be surprised if there are not more errors than this. This is also
slightly ironic because although Sanwa/ Airtronics has created arguably the
most amazing glider oriented product to date for a TX for the last several
years soaring specialists have been largely uncluded in any new
developments.

That being said the Stylus has stood the test of time in part due to its
feature rich offering that is only just now being matched by JR and Futaba.






On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Uncluded is a new word for me. I hope it isn't the opposite of included.
 :-)

 Anker

 David Webb wrote:

  If you subscribe to the airtronics forum they will tell you that a 10
  channel 2.4 radio with a lot of bells and whistles is due out FEb 2009 but
  this is not a replacement for the Stylus either. This 10 channel is supposed
  to have enough features for the masses, glider pilots uncluded. No one has
  definitively stated when the stylus will be replaced with a 2.4 model.  Look
  ont he bright side. As more and more users switch to the JR, Futaba and
  maybe extreme 2.4Ghz solutions, 72 MHZ gets less populated and the potential
  for conflicts may be reduced :)
   I am personally switching over next flying season myself. I would LOVE
  to stick with my stylus but my local flying flield is too close to another
  club so 2.4 is a must and soon.   David Webb
 
  On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I dropped by the Airtronics booth at Toledo hoping to find out
 if the spread spectrum module for the Stylus would be available
 for THIS flying season.  My questions were answered with We're
 not sure but have you looked at the new RD 8000?  I was reminded
 that Houdini claimed that the secret to his success as an
 illusionist was distraction.
   Still patiently waiting for my Stylus SS module,
   Jim Deck
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Re: [RCSE] The Stylus, Airtronics, and Houdini

2008-04-29 Thread David Webb
If you subscribe to the airtronics forum they will tell you that a 10
channel 2.4 radio with a lot of bells and whistles is due out FEb 2009 but
this is not a replacement for the Stylus either. This 10 channel is supposed
to have enough features for the masses, glider pilots uncluded. No one has
definitively stated when the stylus will be replaced with a 2.4 model.

Look ont he bright side. As more and more users switch to the JR, Futaba and
maybe extreme 2.4Ghz solutions, 72 MHZ gets less populated and the potential
for conflicts may be reduced :)

I am personally switching over next flying season myself. I would LOVE to
stick with my stylus but my local flying flield is too close to another club
so 2.4 is a must and soon.

David Webb



On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I dropped by the Airtronics booth at Toledo hoping to find out if the
 spread spectrum module for the Stylus would be available for THIS flying
 season.  My questions were answered with We're not sure but have you looked
 at the new RD 8000?  I was reminded that Houdini claimed that the secret to
 his success as an illusionist was distraction.
   Still patiently waiting for my Stylus SS module,
   Jim Deck
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Re: [RCSE] SASS HELP ALERT !! Keeping Sixty Acres South for the Greater Community's Good

2008-04-18 Thread David Webb
I have already posted email to the entire list and made a personal call.

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Paul  Rickie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 RCSE, ALL!  For the sake of our RC Soaring community VIA SASS, have you
  posted King County Council Members yet !!??  You do intend to, don't you!
   Of course you do!!  OTOH, the TIME is NOW!!  Not later, NOW!!  These
  e-mails really need to hit the addressees by U.S. time NOW,  Friday!!  You
  only have hours--get some if you can't hit all !!  See my earlier post!
  --Paul, Sky Pilot
 
  Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:55:41 EDT
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: soaring@airage.com
  Subject: From Sherman Knight  We need your help again. Unfortunately,
  the judge ruled in the county's favor.
 
  So, now we are considering an appeal.  In the meantime, we are still
   trying to work out a political solution.  The political solution has
   potential, but we need your help. Back in 2002 we asked for letters from
  the soaring community.  We  thought we were going to loose the field to a
  sewage treatment  facility.   The help from you guys was nothing short of
  amazing and we  beat the dreaded Turd Plant. We need that kind of help
  again.  Below are the email addresses of the  current council members in
  King County.  Please send in a letter.  I  does not need to be a long
  letter, just a couple of paragraphs.  It worked  again and it can work
  again.
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  The soccer association we are dealing with has an operating budget of
  2.4  million with a million in the bank.  All of its fields are on county
   property and the association has never paid a dime in rent.  We are asking
   the county to force the Soccer association to mitigate their impacts on the
   current users groups and pay for the rent on a new property.  Pretty simple
   really.  After all, the county makes all developers pay million in
   mitigation fees, we just want a new piece of dirt.  In the instant case the
   soccer association has stated in a declaration it wants the additional
  field  space so it can put on larger tournaments so it can make more money.
Amazing. Please do not be afraid to spread this post around to other list
   serves.  The more the better.  Some will want to know how much time do  we
  have?  Well, about a week.  Our goal is 1400 letters.  Every  single letter
  makes a difference.
  Thanks in advanced for your help. The Seattle Area Soaring Society
 
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Re: [RCSE] FS1 requirements

2008-04-17 Thread David Webb
Dave,  not all applications can take advantage of the second third or even
4th core in todays CPU's. When looking at minimum requirements it can be
wise to consider the overall speed of each core as the max CPU speed you may
utilize.

In general games are notoriously bad at utilizing second + cores.

Geek speak aside, unless someone from FS1 tells you that the program will
use a second core/CPU then assume it wont and meet the requirements by
making sure that any dual core+ is at the required speeds.

After that make sure that your new system has an NVidia video chipset in it.
Not sure if the Nvidia 8800
 comes in a laptop but I would go for that if I could.

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With the possible purchase of a laptop looming in the future I am trying
 to make sure that I get the right stuff.

 FS1 reccomends 2.8 GHz intel pentium processor and I have looked at the
 Intel Duo Processor 1.83 GHz/ 667Mhz.

 Can someone tell me if the stuff I am looking is going to do the job or do
 I need to go to an Intel core Duo 2.2GHz/800Mhz. or ???

 Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] Ben Clerx on TV tonight

2008-04-16 Thread David Webb
I can't find this content on the history channel web sitesomeone PVR
this stuff for me!

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Now I know why Ben has Tin Foil rolls and a Tin Foil hat  (-:



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  Larry, wouldn't that be his other, other, other thing?



 (World Recognized international F3J pilot, commercial airline pilot, Air
 Combat USA pilot and now UFO hunter)



 I'll be watching tonight!


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 So, I get home from going to a contest and I am a little tired because it
 was way out of town, actually about 8500 miles out of town. My body isn't
 sure where it is so I wake up and flip the TV on. Honestly who is walking
 straight towards me out of the TV is my flying buddy Ben Clerx. And I am
 confused because he doesn't have a chute in his hand. Apparently Our Friend
 Ben, is not only a World Recognized Intentional F3J Pilot, but in his spare
 time he is a well known UFO Hunter. Apparently Ben will do just about
 anything to raise those funds to go to Istanbul. So if you want to see Ben
 doing his other thing, he will be on the History Channels UFO Hunters
 tonight Wednesday. Apparently there is a side of Ben that his friends don't
 see where he isn't wearing that Floppy Gardening hat. If everything goes
 well and he gets a spin off sitcom, we may all see TV cameras at all of
 our large contests. Way to go Ben! LJ



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Re: [RCSE] Looking for a contest plane

2008-04-08 Thread David Webb
That is how I got into this sport to be honest. Ron Turner of Vancouver sold
me his Stratos in almost the smae shape :)

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:06 PM, tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Here's a Pike Perfect, a little bit of a fixer-upper:

 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1806429




Re: [RCSE] Help

2008-04-08 Thread David Webb
Jerry do you need help getting off dialup? I know its an adictive technology
with all the beepwschrchhh beeebong beebong tszz but
seriously man just call a broadband provider.

As for the exchange it appears to be working

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Jerry Shape [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I don't know if this will get out or not but I thought I would give this
 a shot. I have not got a post off the exchange for the last couple of weeks
 and don't know why. If anyone can help me drop me a note. I need to get off
 dail up.
 Thanks Jerry



Re: [RCSE] New sanyo batteries

2008-04-06 Thread David Webb
I have been extensively testing these batteries for over 6 months. They are
installed in my TX and RX on my primary and secondary Pike Perfects.

The reduced self discharge rate is totally true. My RX packs held 5.75 v for
6 months which is what they were 10 mins afetr the charge was complete.

I charge mine using a triton charger at .6-1A. with no heat issues at
all. Discharge at .4-.6A takes about 2.5 hours and I have not had a pack tat
was not witin +5% of rated capacity.

These are great charge and store batteries. I tested the self discharge
features at temperature ranges from -16C to +30C no issues. You should be
able to litterally charge your system and leave it for the winter and come
Spring you will have far less potential of severe discharge issues. Charge
--- Store--- fly!



On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone using the new sanyo eneloop batteries?
 The sanyo site says they have reduced internal resistence, but they don't
 give numbers.

 Just sales info.

 --
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Re: [RCSE] New sanyo batteries

2008-04-06 Thread David Webb
No they are  your basic consumer AA cels make sure you use a hot soldering
iro so you don't have to sit there with the iron heating up the whole cel.

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've poked around and didn't notice... but do they come with solder tabs?
  I
 didn't see any.

 Kurt




 Quoting David Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   I have been extensively testing these batteries for over 6 months. They
  are
  installed in my TX and RX on my primary and secondary Pike Perfects.
 
  The reduced self discharge rate is totally true. My RX packs held 5.75 v
  for
  6 months which is what they were 10 mins afetr the charge was complete.
 
  I charge mine using a triton charger at .6-1A. with no heat issues at
  all. Discharge at .4-.6A takes about 2.5 hours and I have not had a pack
  tat
  was not witin +5% of rated capacity.
 
  These are great charge and store batteries. I tested the self discharge
  features at temperature ranges from -16C to +30C no issues. You should
  be
  able to litterally charge your system and leave it for the winter and
  come
  Spring you will have far less potential of severe discharge issues.
  Charge
  --- Store--- fly!
 
 
 
  On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Anyone using the new sanyo eneloop batteries?
   The sanyo site says they have reduced internal resistence, but they
   don't
   give numbers.
  
   Just sales info.
  
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Re: [RCSE] Aileron Flap Carbon Fiber Pushrods

2008-04-03 Thread David Webb
I think that the concerning issue is your response time on the flaps. Almost
everyone who owns a contest sailplane has been here and failed to retract
the flaps in time.  I use carbon push rods as do most of the contest pilots
these days. I don't think there is an obviously less damaging choice between
carbon or metal push rods.

The fact is that if you fail to pull up the flaps you should expect damage
in one form or another and its usually in the flap linkage connections. I
would not expect a reprieve from this damage in your choice of push rod
material. Use an elastic on your flap stick if you can't get into better
form on your flaps.





On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Michael Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I haven't had first hand experience with carbon pushrods but I would guess
 that you could also run the risk of stripping a servo with a stiffer linkage
 if you failed to retract the flaps on landing again.  It's cheaper to
 replace or fix the pushrod instead of a wing servo.
 Mike


 On Apr 3, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Robert P Buxton wrote:
 Open Question to the group:  Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with
 using carbon fiber push rods for their aileron  flap servo linkage.  This
 past season, due to slow thumb response at that critical moment of
 retracting flaps just before touch down, I was bending the flap push rods
 (bottom hinged, linkage on top of flap, servo arm on bottom of wing.  Carbon
 fiber rods would give stiffness/rigidity but would they be prone to
 breakage?  This set up was/and is on a F3J 144 Shadow.  All comments and
 suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Regards,

 Robert

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Re: [RCSE] Line of sight

2008-03-22 Thread David Webb
Not to argue but for the people new to the concept of 2.4 there are
scenarios that they may be confusing. For example, I fly a few times a year
at a club off of the Columbia river in Oregon. Blue lake park is like flying
out of a bowl picture this in your minds eye; To the right of you is the
levy or dike of the Columbia River and to your left is a park with a small
grove of trees which you must always avoid on your landing pattern. You
thread between the dyke and the tree on every approach and landing.

On several occasions I have been on the other side of these trees and had my
plane drop into heavy sink and out of my line of sight. I have to either
run around into view or wait and see how it comes out. I have never had
anyone tell me that after dropping behind the trees that my 72 MhZ system
glitched or lost control. I can imagine that this is just one scenario that
the uninformed are concerned about.

No one is arguing the fact that if my plane drops behind a barn, mountain or
other large land mass that I have larger issue such as what the hell was I
thinking?  but there are a lot of other little pieces of minutia to
converse of the line of sight debate. This season I will be looking for some
2.4 setups to run back into this area and check signal :)




On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I find this discussion somewhat strange. After all isn't the term line of
 sight pretty self expanatory.

 It doesn't make any difference whether you are flying 2.4 or 72 or 35, if
 your bird goes behind a building, a dense tree line, a hill, etc. and you
 can't see it then you probably can't fly it very well and if it doesn't come
 back into view pretty quick then it doesn't make much difference if the rx
 continues to get a signal or not.

 The only savior now is if you have fail safe and it's programed to work,
 you may have a chance to get you bird back with little or damage. Maybe.

 Of course if radio is still communicating and you try to continue to fly
 blind, good luck.

 Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] Breaking the 40 Spektrum Radio Barrier

2008-03-22 Thread David Webb
This is likely to start an IT geeky discussion but its worth mentioning.

This brings up my very first concern on this band. My concern was that there
are literally hundreds of gain boosting products on the market for 2.4 Wimax
technology. Many of these devices such as home routers and small to large
business line of sigh WiMax shots get amped up by the IT department. I
know I found a 10X gain booster for my home system. Now considering that
most of these routers have their own range of channels and can switch
between dedicated channels to a mode that basically hops channels until
things hook up you can begin to see the challenge in this unregulated band
in areas of high population.

Luckily most of the units have a 150 foot range but with a major gain
booster that could go up to 1000 feet. I improved mine enough to setup a
WIDE area network between my house and my neighbors house about 900 feet
away.  I can get a small  boost using a 2.4 aircard in a laptop and a
pringles canthe technology is out there and the freq is unregulated.

 Consider the carnage potential at the next major event when some
Frankenstein WIMAX WIFI solution fires up... not currently a challenge with
multiple Chanel acquisition but without regulation how long will it be until
something is created that flies through the channels in order to create
better security for the ever increasing IT security threats? 900MhZ phones
had that in the 90's and Sanyo is touting DSS at 2.4 as well. Its slightly
different technology but my concern is that its simply not regulated. So
while I will still move to 2.4 next year I will be paying close attention to
this band.

Let the bashing begin...




 http://ca.sanyo.com/en-CA/communications/cordless/special_features.cfm








On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Bill  Bunny Kuhlman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 While 2.4 GHz virtually eliminates interference issues, it should be
 noted that using this frequency in nations other than the U.S. may be
 increasingly problematic.

 I understand Germany has just put out a notice that RC is not to use
 the 2.4 GHz band, stating it is a national security issue.

 Belgium seems to have banned RC use of 2.4 GHz a couple years ago.

 Additionally, I just read a notice that France has limited power
 output of 2.4 GHz systems to 10 MW, as opposed to the 100 MW standard
 elsewhere. (One of our South African correspondents has stated
 Horizon Hobbies put out a letter stating that Spektrum sets made for
 use in the US are illegal in South Africa and a number of European
 countries.)

 Late last year, CIAM, the FAI body, was discussing upcoming
 legislation in Europe as it applied to 2.4 GHz RC. Seems the EU is
 getting a lot of pressure from WiMax operators to ban RC use of the
 frequencies.

 We'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has accurate current
 information on this topic.

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Re: [RCSE] Special Sportube TSA lock now offered!

2008-03-20 Thread David Webb
I had no idea you could not lock things up anymore.

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  http://www.sportube.com/pages/TSA_lock.html

 I'd been making my own gizmo up to use the standard TSA lock on my tubes,
 comprised of a 3/16 carriage bolt with its end flattened and drilled to fit
 the hook of the TSA lock.

 For those of you who don't know it, you can't use 'locks' on baggage any
 more, but you can use the special TSA lock, which is a combo lock with a key
 slot for TSA agents to open the lock to inspect baggage.

 No need now that there is this cable version.

 IF you were thinking of getting a Sportube...well its a case of Wait and
 Wailthey are out and have been for awhile.  Best bet is to see if Barry
 Kennedy has a used one he might part with since he uses them to ship planes
 to customers.

 Gordy



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Re: [RCSE] Local news :-)

2008-03-16 Thread David Webb
Keep shifting manually something is making it slip

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Me and my Old Falcon Convertible were on the local news this morning...
 The reporter is totally into RC planes... Turns out his very first story was
 of a Jet fun fly in Woodland Ca. He has never flown RC, but always wanted
 to...

 So I invited him out to out next contest and he accepted... I'll let him
 fly my AVA and we will promote a fly for free for the general public...

 And promote that you can get into this hobby for as little as $200

 Hopefully we can get some new young blood into RC soaring :-)

 Craig  PS.. If anyone has knowledge of 45 year old Ford 2 speed
 transmissions please contact me.. :-) Mine is slipping, but only when I let
 it shift by its self.. if I shift manually its fine



Re: [RCSE] The REALLY BIG deal about 2.4

2008-03-08 Thread David Webb
I can second this factor. In every hay field I have considered there
are at least two reports of  hey I think there are a bunch of guys
who fly on the next farm or two over ... go there! of course these
pilots range from dedicated power flyers to people who have just
picked up something off of Ebay and have no idea what they are doing
so removing the spectre of conflicts is my number one priority for 09.

David Webb

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As populations grow and expan into formerly rural areas, land suitable for
 use as flying fields is becoming increasingly scarce.  And having to keep
 fields at least 3 miles apart to ensure no channel conflicts reduces the
 possibilities even further.  The biggest impact of 2.4 is that flying fields
 can now be closer together, which means that new fields will be possible
 that simply weren't viable before.

 All the technical arguments notwithstanding, 2.4 will be instrumental in
 helping us to solve our number 1 problem: a rapidly dwindling inventory of
 places to fly.

 --Jim Laurel

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Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4?

2008-03-06 Thread David Webb
The attraction is primarily for those who fly at contests or in areas
of crowded frequencies. You see if you go to a moderately sized
contest you will be forced to share a frequency pin with one or even
more of your 72 MHZ brethren. If one of them screws up and flips on
their TX ( assuming there is no TX impound) You may likely lose your
aircraft.

The last contest of the season for me is a prefect example. I am just
getting my legs in TD and F3J having only flown RC for maybe 4 years
max. I flew at every major contest for the last two years. At the last
big tournament some guy shows up with my frequency and we are both
forced to impound our TX's for the entire weekend checking with the
impound manager and the other pilot for the frequency pin every time I
wanted to tweak my plane, fly a round or even check the battery life
on my TX (ok I could do that with the Stylus without a signal but the
impound manager would  fill his/her pants)

So not only do I have to consider that at this contest there were
several northwest contenders in TD but I have to contend with the
potential of a shoot down if the conflict system fails. I distinctly
remember the background stress this added to the contest. I would have
been glad to simply be able to turn on and go For that I would be
happy to fart around with technically painful solutions.
Unfortunately, I have to buy planes for the WC and the extra 1400 for
two 2.4 systems is just not in the budget.

I also could benefit from 2.4 as I fly at relatively long distances
and my private field which is a monster hay field is right on the edge
of the frequency range of another small R/C flight field close by.
People show up, see no one else at their field and power on all the
time the thought crossed my mind today when I had a split second
glitch on my flaps.

Food for thought - these are the main considerations for me. Others
might be attracted to the feature rich options that this bandwidth
offers and several new idiot proof solutions in the new TX's that stop
you from using the wrong model memory with the wrong plane etc.

All good reasons to get the solution working and lets face it. R/C
Soaring pilots are almost certainly always itching to do the
impossible. When someone says you can't install 2.4 in a carbon fuse
you know they are going to fire up the collective hive (my
appologies to Startrek) and come up with a solution. We are the high
end geeks of the R/C community after all (said with distinction I
might add)

David Webb


On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Joe Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 I've been using my trusty Stylus with Glider Card for almost as long as I've
 been serious about the sport. It has been essentially trouble free, has no
 problems with installation and has far more functionality than I could ever
 dream of using.



 So I read here about all the challenges involved with 2.4. I can understand
 relishing technical challenges—but what is the attraction of this apparently
 finicky and expensive technology?



 I just don't get it. Could someone 'splain to me what the big deal is?



 Joe Parsons
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Re: [RCSE] 2.4 install how to?

2008-03-04 Thread David Webb
Wow that's a silly post and I fly with a stylus as well. Besides the
cool feature of anyone on channel 51 being able to take you out nice
and quick what features are you thinking you get that someone on a JR
or Futaba 2.4 does not? I flew a friends 9303 last year. He had
everything I needed. Laucnh, reflex, camber, delay, full mixingall
this and his radio did not weight 14 pounds like my stylus...Not an
issue unless yo also fly DLG's like I do as well.

I like the right and left sliders for camber and reflex on my stylus
thats unique... no wait i think i see a tab on the back of the Futaba
faast system...what am I missing?










On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quiet Al!

 Let them go! We'll be better off with out them. Well, that is until we join
 them.

 Bill Swingle
 Janesville, CA


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Re: [RCSE] Interesting camera invention.

2008-02-27 Thread David Webb
Very cool. Essentially they are capturing more data and adding
photoshop ellements right into the hardware. I can't believe it took
them this long...

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For those of you who are also into photography, I found this amazing new
 technology...


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Re: [RCSE] My Dad,... U'R Dad?

2008-02-17 Thread David Webb
Hey Craig thanks for sharing this. Having just lost my mother, father
and sister witin a very short period I can echo your thoughts. One day
they will be gone and you may have some fond memories like this one to
relive.

David

On Feb 17, 2008 8:33 PM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just wanted to share this with everyone...

 My Mother called me last week and told me she was worried about my Dad and
 his health... He's 85, Fought in the battle of Britten at age 17 and was a
 B-24 pilot once America joined the war... He has trouble breathing now
 because he was a 50 year smoker..Its touch and go with him... Never knowing
 if this is the day.

 So I took over to their house my latest Electric tow plane to put
 together A Stinger 120 ARF using a 5340AXIS and A123 batteries.. Thanks
 Brian Chan :-)))...  He loved it... You never know with my Dad.. I was so
 worried he would think it was a piece of crap.. But it has made him so happy
 to be a part of helping me put it together... Its almost done and I can't
 wait to fly it for him

 So all of you with aging parents... All I can say is is try and make them
 happy and just maybe.. You will find happiness yourself and some wonderful
 memories too :-)))

 Craig ..



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Re: [RCSE] Supra Fuse

2008-02-14 Thread David Webb
I have a super fuse its from a spirit 100 and its been repaired so
many times it must be super by now...how much will you offer?

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jer  Marty Limber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm in the market for a Supra fuse.  I wonder if  Mike Lachowski is still
 selling them ???  I can be contacted at the e-mail address below.

 Thanks,
 jer

 Jerry  Marty Limber
 Williamsburg, VA
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Airfoil flight comparison( HN-216)?

2008-02-01 Thread David Webb
Gentlemen, I would like your feedback on something I created last
season in a bit of a whim. I have been competing at various TD tasks
in the Northwest over the last 3 years. Over this time I have
witnessed far too many launches where the pilot after the fact
admitted that he/she did not turn on the aircraft. Needless to say
most of the aircraft were lost or seriously damaged. So in search of a
solution I went to a local electronics shop and asked a young guy if
he could give me a hand designing a safety component that might help
avoid this scenario.

Basically we designed a switch with a small tilt sensor and some
latching circuitry. The result is this:

If you remember to turn on the plane the switch works as expected. The
plane powers on and off as it would normally.

If you turn OFF the plane and tilt the aircraft in the desired launch
angle ( this is set by the pilot) the plane turns ITSELF on and stays
on until the circuit is reset by disconnecting / interrupting the
battery. The draw is tiny and the circuit and switch itself 1xx .25
or double the size of a typical 20 amp RC switch.   I have tested the
product in the lab and i know a shop that could likely get the size
down to half its current size or close to the size of a standard
switch

This would of course cost some money out of pocket but I am not sure
if the target market is too limited to bother creating this solution
for. For the most part, the elite pilots I watch either don't even use
a switch or are very disciplined in their launch methodology. The
target market is more appropriately general pilots who may be
approaching the more senior years as well as new pilots.


What do you think people? At your local club have you seen anyone toss
an un-powered glider to its death? Would a product like this be of
value as a replacement for the standard on off switch for your more
senior members or new eager  soaring enthusiasts?


David Webb
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Bad Guy Alert

2008-01-16 Thread David Webb
Exactly! As you can read from this link if you had only blinded the
fellow before sending the money this would have been all avoided.

Sorry I fail to see the parallel between some asshat running an
Internet scam and a huge mythical beast with one blind eye stroking
sheep

On Jan 16, 2008 5:09 AM, Lincoln Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry this happened to you, but that name sounds like the oldest MO in
 the book:
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 JAMES EALY wrote:
 Hello Guys:
 I just got scammed for $116 by Kevin Noone, Albany - that is the name given 
 to
 me!
 
 I suspect that I was the third person he scammed from conversations with him.
 Won an old time vintage converted free flight to RC plane with large wing and
 ignition engine.  Sounds familar to anyone?
 
 Too late for Paypal claim - however, what the turkey doesn't know is that I
 used AMEX and they will not take the scam litely.
 Any one interested in more detail - actual emails from Ebay? Contact me off
 list.
 
 Jim
 
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Re: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models

2007-12-21 Thread David Webb
Maybe I need to eat a larger breakfast but I just thought about this idea...

OK, what about a combination of power limit and timing. I was thinking
about exactly how I broke line this last season (a total of three
times) and its always the same. I used too much pedal for my model
setup within the first 2-3 seconds. After I altered my setup by simply
tapping up the plane until it it was at reasonable alt I could go for
an aggressive zoom. My launches were just as good as a full pedal
approach.

What about a modulated power for the first 3 seconds of the launch? If
we can limit the overall power why can't we limit it at the most
likely point in the launch to cause a line break IMO the first 3
seconds)? Once the plane has attained decent altitude and more line is
out, dispersing the load the power can let loose and go to 100%.

too much thought maybe ... would that work? You could still use
lighter line, everyone is happy and its a level solution for everyone.



On Dec 21, 2007 4:23 AM, Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I guess John, why sould there be a deduct if I still make my time with a 
 lower launch cause the WL gave?

 WL's seem like a great idea, but have proved over time to not really work, I 
 would rather see us go to 200 pound line.

 marc

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Re: [RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist

2007-12-20 Thread David Webb
Now we are using seriously offending terms...*#^!baggers I would stay
clear from this type of incendiary remark if I were you:) I prefer
the PC term optimal condition competitor

But I agree we can't keep increasing the line size.

On Dec 20, 2007 10:12 AM, Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chris,

 It is much more than throwing on heavier line. We experimented with
 heavier line. It does not give in the launch and many will have
 difficulties adapting at first. Secondly, and the most critical,  the
 reels are maxed out. We cannot go to much bigger line because the
 reels will have to be changed out for larger ones. Or, use a
 turnaround 300' out!! That would be popular.

 I can tell you it is very frustrating to run a big contest and have
 everything from a Sleazy Glider to a 140+ plane to launch. Throw in
 the fact that there are some people out there that winning is so
 important that they will go for it all even if it breaks a line.
 These are usually the notorious sandbaggers too!!!

 Darwin N. Barrie
 Chandler AZ

 On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This is all Bogus, What is everyone getting their lines in a Twist?
 
  No where does it say that a CD must provide launching mechanisms for
  specific plane designs.
 
  What is the problem???  A CD provides a launch method that can launch
  all planes.  Just because the same launching system cannot get 2Meter
  planes launched high is not his problem.
 
  The Airbus is only the Airbus because GE, or whomever, makes a engine
  that can power the plane.  So what if the little planes cannot travel
  across the great herring pond as efficiently as the big ones.
 
  Heck, if the line breaks, just get bigger lines or stronger lines.  In
  Fishing they use wire lines to met the stronger requirements.  What's
  the problem here, can't the old Icon 1 or the Sharon , or perhaps the
  High End have better winches for them to use?  You can also use
  clothesline rope if you want.
 
  There is nothing in any rule book that says lighter lines need be
  provided.  So, buck it up and get a better launching plane.  Get
  rid of
  that old NOS  or woodie class and come into the REAL world.
 
  I am sick of everyone thinking that we have to cater to the lighter
  planes.  If the Icon 1 can't launch on the new winches, then get off
  your tails and get a plane that can launch.
 
  This is so bogus to hear  everyone complain.  Look at all the
  aerodynamic and composite advancements, and use them.
 
  Duu.
 
  Chris
 
 
   Original Message 
  Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 9:08 am
  To: soaring@airage.com
 
  In a message dated 12/20/2007 8:48:45 AM Central Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with
  the Euro
  models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current
  crop of moldies,
  line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming
  more prevelant.
   Heavy enough line for these new super ships, will be a burden
  for the
  lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones.
 
  We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes
  but the
  lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the
  line drag and
  weight.
 
  Where do we draw the line?
 
  Darwin N. Barrie
  Chandler AZ
 
  
 
  It could be that the wing area is not more than the Sharon, just a
  higher
  aspect ratio, and that it won't generate more lift, but will just
  have less drag
  and be more efficient.
 
  Bill Wingstedt
 
 
 
 
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[RCSE] Wanted - stylus 50 Model Memory card

2007-12-07 Thread David Webb
I need a memory card for my stylus as I have added several planes this
wibnter and would like to actually fly them :)
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[RCSE] test

2007-12-07 Thread David Webb
test
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Re: [RCSE] So, having read the 2.4 Articles in this Month's RCSD, What's your 2.4 opinion?

2007-11-24 Thread David Webb
I am waiting to see what the recently released Airtronics stylus 2.4
has ot offer. 2.4 in general has huge appeal to me.

On Nov 24, 2007 10:50 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Okay this thread is about the articles and their content by Sherman Knight
 in this issue of RCSD.


 After  you have read the articles written by Sherman Knight, what is
 your opinion/ experience with 2.4?

 We'd all like to hear your thoughts on the subject.  AFTER having read the
 articles.

  http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com/highlights.html

 After having read the articles, what are your comments on them and what has
 been written in the articles.

 In case I wasn't specific enough, not your general well informed
 opinions/thoughts/ideas, suggestions on 2.4 but your comments on the content
 of the ARTICLES in this month's RCSD by Sherman Knight.

 (there will be a test:-)
 Gordy
 If you want to espouse your general thoughts or ideas, feel free to start
 your own thread complete with your own subject title.


 
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