Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-19 Thread mohamed.boucadair
(draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) Dear Med, The logic we adopted for guessing complexity of a valid port and for the whole range is as mentioned in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis-00#section-2: In each analyzed port derivation

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-18 Thread Satoru Matsushima
Mohamed, all, First, thanks for the analysis draft. It sounds good. Let me try to bring my thought. An interesting point is here. In the algorithms which define offset to exclude ports such as 1024, 4096 whatever, the efficiency of port utilization is decreased, which algorithm is 4rd, and

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-17 Thread GangChen
Dear Med, The logic we adopted for guessing complexity of a valid port and for the whole range is as mentioned in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis-00#section-2: In each analyzed port derivation algorithm, an attacker may implement a redirection

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-15 Thread Rémi Després
Le 15 sept. 2011 à 14:15, mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com a écrit : Hi Rémi, I checked draft-despres-softwire-4rd-addmapping again and you reverse only the L bits identifying the PSID. This is why I'm puzzled how it is possible to support differentiated port sets (which means

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-14 Thread Rémi Després
Hi Satoru-san, Thank you for your question. Answer below. Le 14 sept. 2011 à 05:28, Satoru Matsushima a écrit : Hi Remi-san, I have one question. On 2011/09/14, at 2:42, Rémi Després wrote: Le 13 sept. 2011 à 18:08, mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com a écrit : Hi Rémi, Thank

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-14 Thread Rémi Després
-Message d'origine- De : Rémi Després [mailto:despres.r...@laposte.net] Envoyé : lundi 12 septembre 2011 17:05 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Softwires-wg Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) Le 12

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-14 Thread Satoru Matsushima
Remi-san, On 2011/09/14, at 15:20, Rémi Després wrote: ... Let's take the example of sec. 6 (A), namely: +++-+ | Domain IPv4 prefix | Domain IPv6 prefix | AFTR IPv6 subnet (e.g.) |

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-14 Thread Satoru Matsushima
, Med -Message d'origine- De : Rémi Després [mailto:despres.r...@laposte.net] Envoyé : lundi 12 septembre 2011 17:05 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Softwires-wg Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-13 Thread mohamed.boucadair
: Softwires-wg Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) Le 12 sept. 2011 à 16:18, mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com a écrit : ... To double check the ability of 4rd-addmapping algo

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-13 Thread mohamed.boucadair
: Rémi Després [mailto:despres.r...@laposte.net] Envoyé : mardi 13 septembre 2011 19:42 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Softwires-wg Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) Le 13 sept. 2011 à 18:08, mohamed.boucad

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-12 Thread Rémi Després
Hi Med, Here is an update concerning 4rd-addmapping in this draft (sec 2.1.6): +---+-+ | Property | Value | +---+-+

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-12 Thread mohamed.boucadair
[mailto:despres.r...@laposte.net] Envoyé : lundi 12 septembre 2011 12:01 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Softwires-wg; Wojciech Dec Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) Hi Med, Here is an update concerning 4rd-addmapping

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-12 Thread Rémi Després
Le 12 sept. 2011 à 16:18, mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com a écrit : ... To double check the ability of 4rd-addmapping algo to support differentiated port sets without any state on the BR, could you please provide some examples to show this

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-09 Thread mohamed.boucadair
address). Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : softwires-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de GangChen Envoyé : jeudi 8 septembre 2011 18:19 À : Simon Perreault Cc : softwires@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-08 Thread mohamed.boucadair
2011 18:10 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : softwires@ietf.org; Wojciech Dec Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) Hello Authors, I think the draft did really good analysis on several mapping algorithm

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-08 Thread mohamed.boucadair
: mardi 6 septembre 2011 11:30 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Wojciech Dec; softwires@ietf.orgmailto:softwires@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) hi Med, all, Thanks for writing this, it helps

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-08 Thread Rémi Després
Le 8 sept. 2011 à 08:18, mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com a écrit : De : Rémi Després [mailto:despres.r...@laposte.net] ... ... criteria to evaluate port-indexing methods: [Med] In fact we are not evaluating the algorithm at this stage but only

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-08 Thread Rémi Després
Le 8 sept. 2011 à 08:05, mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com a écrit ... De : Rémi Després [mailto:despres.r...@free.fr] ... Difficulty to understand can be due to insufficient quality of explanations. In this respect, I know what I have written in the

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-08 Thread GangChen
2011/9/7, Simon Perreault simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca: mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com wrote, on 09/07/2011 03:28 AM: What I have done is I clarified the text as follows: o Complexity: Reflects the complexity level of understanding the algorithm and the expected complexity to

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread mohamed.boucadair
-Message d'origine- De : Satoru Matsushima [mailto:satoru.matsush...@gmail.com] Envoyé : mercredi 7 septembre 2011 09:03 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : GangChen; softwires@ietf.org; Wojciech Dec Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread Jacni Qin
Hi Med, More inline please, On 9/7/2011 1:22 PM, mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com wrote: *) Is the focus of the document (properties used) on the whole address architecture/format, or just on the algorithms to build port sets? As in some proposals, for example 4rd, the port indexing

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread Tetsuya Murakami
Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) Hello Authors, I think the draft did really good analysis on several mapping algorithm, especially properties evaluation part. One question for clarification: I saw several properties are COMPLEXITY related. Just wondering

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread Rémi Després
Le 7 sept. 2011 à 09:55, Satoru Matsushima a écrit : ... And from my experience, none of configuration complexity for 4rd implementations. These don't require any complicated configuration to generate port-set from port-set ID. +1 (in addition to my personal comments) RD

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread Rémi Després
(draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) Hello Authors, I think the draft did really good analysis on several mapping algorithm, especially properties evaluation part. One question for clarification: I saw several properties are COMPLEXITY related. Just wondering to know what

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread Rémi Després
...@jacni.com] Envoyé : mardi 6 septembre 2011 11:30 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Wojciech Dec; softwires@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) hi Med, all, Thanks for writing this, it helps. A couple

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread Rémi Després
Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis) hi Med, all, Thanks for writing this, it helps. A couple of quick comments below, *) Is the focus of the document (properties used) on the whole address architecture/format, or just on the algorithms to build port sets

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Re-, Please see inline. Cheers, Med De : Jacni Qin [mailto:ja...@jacni.com] Envoyé : mercredi 7 septembre 2011 10:12 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Wojciech Dec; softwires@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-07 Thread Simon Perreault
mohamed.boucad...@orange-ftgroup.com wrote, on 09/07/2011 03:28 AM: What I have done is I clarified the text as follows: o Complexity: Reflects the complexity level of understanding the algorithm and the expected complexity to configure an implementation. A subjective

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-06 Thread Jacni Qin
hi Med, all, Thanks for writing this, it helps. A couple of quick comments below, *) Is the focus of the document (properties used) on the whole address architecture/format, or just on the algorithms to build port sets? As in some proposals, for example 4rd, the port indexing algorithm can

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-06 Thread GangChen
Hello Authors, I think the draft did really good analysis on several mapping algorithm, especially properties evaluation part. One question for clarification: I saw several properties are COMPLEXITY related. Just wondering to know what kind of criteria you adopt to judge different levels(i.e.

Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-06 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Jacni, Please see inline. Cheers, Med De : Jacni Qin [mailto:ja...@jacni.com] Envoyé : mardi 6 septembre 2011 11:30 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Wojciech Dec; softwires@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft

[Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)

2011-09-05 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear all, We have just submitted an I-D analysing the port set algorithms we have on the table. A set of properties are used to characterize the port set algorithms. This is a call for review. In particular, we invite authors of the following proposals to review their section: o