Re: [spring] Minutes

2015-11-10 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello Bruno, Jon and Ignas, thank you for the quick minutes! One addition please: @@ -65,2 +65,3 @@ Shahram: I advise not to go that route and just mandate everything use same SRGB +Martin Horneffer: This proposal lets devices which can configure a CA-SRGB stay with it. Only devices

Re: [spring] working group adoption call for draft-geib-spring-oam-usecase

2015-08-28 Thread Martin Horneffer
Support for wg adoption from me. In my opinion, this document describes a real, serious use-case. Martin Am 22.07.15 um 15:13 schrieb John G. Scudder: Dear WG, As we discussed at our meeting yesterday, working group adoption has been requested for draft-geib-spring-oam-usecase. Please

Re: [spring] working group adoption call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-msdc

2015-08-28 Thread Martin Horneffer
Support. Martin Am 22.07.15 um 15:15 schrieb John G.Scudder: Dear WG, As we discussed at our meeting yesterday, working group adoption has been requested for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-msdc. Please reply to the list with your comments, including although not limited to whether or

Re: [spring] [mpls] working group adoption call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop

2015-08-30 Thread Martin Horneffer
As a co-author I support the adoption of this draft. Also I am not aware of any IPR touched. Best regards, Martin Am 22.07.15 um 15:17 schrieb John G.Scudder: Dear WG, As we discussed at our meeting yesterday, working group adoption has been requested for

Re: [spring] draft-ginsberg-spring-conflict-resolution: SRGB INCONSISTENCY

2016-01-05 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello Les, Acee, Stephane, everyone, happy new year! From an operator's (carrier's) point of view I clearly and strongly support this alternative solution: Treat an inconsistent set of SRGB announcements as broken and ignore it. - It is the simplest solution. - It only affects traffic of

Re: [spring] draft-ginsberg-spring-conflict-resolution

2016-01-05 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello Bruno, Les and everyone, while I do appreciate and understand Les' motivation to forward this document quickly, I would rather support Bruno's approach to first do a little of analyses and discussions of the possible options before finally deciding for one. So: many thanks to both of

[spring] draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution - Preference Rule

2016-07-22 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Les, this topic, and this document is in my eyes a very important one. Thanks a lot for writing and promoting it! During the Berlin WG session you proposed a new preference rule which would make the policy choice easier. You asked for a discussion on the list - more on your slides rather

Re: [spring] IPR Disclosure Orange's Statement about IPR related to draft-psarkar-spring-mpls-anycast-segments

2016-10-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
me...@ietf.org>> Cc: <spring@ietf.org <mailto:spring@ietf.org>>, <ipr-annou...@ietf.org <mailto:ipr-annou...@ietf.org>> Dear Hannes Gredler, Clarence Filsfils, Stefano Previdi, Bruno Decraene, Martin Horneffer, Pushpasis Sarkar: An IPR disclos

Re: [spring] WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase

2016-09-26 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello everyone, speaking as co-worker of one of the editors: From my own viewpoint I think this document makes a lot of sense and is in a good state. I'm not aware of any problemwith the current state of the document. And there already is an implementation report. The document should be sent

Re: [spring] IPR for draft‐ietf-spring-segment‐routing-mpls prior to WGLC

2016-11-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello Martin, and group, I not aware of any IPR concerning this document either. And I'm sorry I missed the call over my parental leave and offlineness. Best regards, Martin Am 09.09.16 um 13:57 schrieb Martin Vigoureux: Authors and Contributors, it seems that we are missing answers to the

Re: [spring] WG LC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing

2016-12-07 Thread Martin Horneffer
As a contributor, and from an operator's point of view I support this document. Martin Am 28.11.16 um 10:37 schrieb Martin Vigoureux: Hello WG, this e-mail initiates a two-week WG LC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing [1]. All authors have already replied to the IPR poll. There is

Re: [spring] WG LC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing

2016-12-07 Thread Martin Horneffer
As a contributor, and from an operator's point of view I support this document. Martin Am 28.11.16 um 10:37 schrieb Martin Vigoureux: Hello WG, this e-mail initiates a two-week WG LC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing [1]. All authors have already replied to the IPR poll. There is known

Re: [spring] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution

2017-07-14 Thread Martin Horneffer
Strong support from me, too. From an operator's point of view this is really needed. Best regards, Martin Am 10.07.17 um 14:58 schrieb Martin Vigoureux: WG, We are half-way through the WG Last Call and I am very surprised to only see a single answer to it. I am not sure I'll move this

Re: [spring] [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-22 Thread Martin Horneffer
+1 In other words, I confirm from an operators point of view that Robert got good network desing goals quite right. I also perfectly agree with the observations concerning the use of RSVP in the past. BR, Martin Am 21.11.17 um 19:34 schrieb Robert Raszuk: Hi Adrian, I am not going to

[spring] measurement requirements (was Re: [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths)

2017-11-17 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi, first thank you Shraddha for bringing the topic of traffic measurement to the lists. And thanks to Stephane for focusing on the - from my point of view - most important aspects. Apparently you can have different requirement for traffic measurement and based on those you'll need more or

Re: [spring] [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-17 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Stewart, a quick comment on this, from an operator's point of view: Yes, we do need the same measurements for LDP as well as for SR. The exact kind of counter may be debatable. From what we have now, per-FEC counters (per-SID for SR) on every node seem like the best practical and

[spring] status of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05

2018-05-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
Dear chairs and group, may I ask about the status of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05? With the rechartering discussion I got the impression that nobody was doubting that this work belongs in the SPRING wg. Would it be ready for a wg adoption call now? Best regards, Martin

Re: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy

2018-05-17 Thread Martin Horneffer
I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document. Best regards, Martin Am 16.05.18 um 17:20 schrieb Rob Shakir: Hi SPRING WG, In parallel to the call for adoption for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy, we would like to poll for IPR. If you are aware of IPR that applies

Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy

2018-05-17 Thread Martin Horneffer
Speaking for an operator, and as a long-time responsible person for applying traffic engineering to a global network, I support adoption of this document at the SPRING wg. Best regards, Martin Am 16.05.18 um 17:20 schrieb Rob Shakir: Hi SPRING WG, This email initiates a two week call for

Re: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls

2018-05-28 Thread Martin Horneffer
I’m not aware of any not yet disclosed IPR. Best regards, Martin Am 24.05.18 um 19:28 schrieb bruno.decra...@orange.com: Hi SPRING WG, In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we would like to poll for IPR. If you are aware of IPR that applies to

Re: [spring] SPRING - rechartering discussion

2018-03-17 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello Bruno, Martin, Rob, and whole WG, as with many bigger protocols that actually make their way into production networks, I get the strong feeling that SPRING is not done with the conclusion of the core documents. As the technology gets closer to production use, unforeseen topics and

Re: [spring] SPRING - rechartering discussion

2018-03-20 Thread Martin Horneffer
, Martin Horneffer wrote: Hello Bruno, Martin, Rob, and whole WG, as with many bigger protocols that actually make their way into production networks, I get the strong feeling that SPRING is not done with the conclusion of the core documents. As the technology gets closer to production use

Re: [spring] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: SPRING - rechartering discussion

2018-03-20 Thread Martin Horneffer
+1 Or, to be more explicit, mentioning TEAS is - in my eyes - a major reason to insist in keeping the SPRING wg for a while, and for having the SRE-TE discussions here and not there!!! While it's always good to learn from each other, I strongly believe that moving any SR-TE discussion to

Re: [spring] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: SPRING - rechartering discussion

2018-03-21 Thread Martin Horneffer
ering", but in a way that doesn't allow for any other methodology but using RSVP. Apparently that feeling of insult made me choose aggressive words, which I shouldn't have used. It was not my intention to hurt anyone in return. Best regards, Martin Am 20.03.18 um 14:27 schrieb Martin Horn

[spring] Question on RFC8660

2020-01-31 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello everyone, again it seems the interesting questions only show up when applying something to the live network... We ran into something that poses a question related to RFC8660: What is the exact meaning of section 2.10.1, "Forwarding for PUSH and CONTINUE of Global SIDs", when the

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
Saad <mailto:tsaad@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Martin, See inline for some comments. On 8/27/20, 6:35 AM, "spring on behalf of Martin Horneffer" mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of m...@lab.dtag.de <mailto:m...@lab.dtag.de>> w

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
rd packets without a labelled route, you need to make sure that this protection remains. Regards, Jakob. -Original Message- From: spring On Behalf Of Martin Horneffer Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:35 AM To: spring@ietf.org Subject: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
schrieb Tarek Saad: Hi Martin, See inline for some comments. On 8/27/20, 6:35 AM, "spring on behalf of Martin Horneffer" wrote: Hello everyone, may I come back the the question below? Or rather let me update it a little: In case an SR-MPLS path is broken, sho

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-28 Thread Martin Horneffer
ition? Best regards, Martin Am 31.01.20 um 16:50 schrieb Martin Horneffer: > Hello everyone, > > again it seems the interesting questions only show up when applying > something to the live network... > > We ran into something that poses a question related to RFC8660: What &g

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-28 Thread Martin Horneffer
have BGP free core (or Internet route free core) I would say sure good idea to continue. But since you do I think this is a lot of hidden traps number of networks may fall into by doing it. So at least it should not be a default behaviour. Thx, R. On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 12:35 PM Martin Hornef

[spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-27 Thread Martin Horneffer
perational experience and several internal discussions we agreed that we want packets to be forwarded unlabelled rather than dropped. Anyone to share, or oppose this position? Best regards, Martin Am 31.01.20 um 16:50 schrieb Martin Horneffer: Hello everyone, again it seems the interesting questions

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-16 Thread Martin Horneffer
Cheers, Jeff On Sep 4, 2020, at 17:49, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote: Hi Martin, From: spring [mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin Horneffer Hello everyone, may I come back the the question below? Or rather let me update it a little: In case an SR-MPLS path is brok

Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths

2020-08-13 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Shraddha, Pushpasis, it's a very good point to see this interaction being documented. Thank you! I support it. Best regards, Martin Am 04.08.20 um 19:48 schrieb Shraddha Hegde: Hi Pushpasis, Thanks for the review and comments. Pls check if the below text looks good. “

Re: [spring] Leadership change

2020-06-15 Thread Martin Horneffer
Thank you Martin, Rob, Jim and Joel! Apparently chairing this wg is not an easy job. I greatly appreciate that you support/did/do it! Best regards, Martin Am 14.06.20 um 22:25 schrieb Martin Vigoureux: WG, Rob had decided to step down as chair some time ago. There hasn't been any formal

Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt

2021-06-11 Thread Martin Horneffer
Yes, support. From an operator's point of view: I think this can add valuable enhancements to SR enabled networks. Best regards, Martin Am 07.06.21 um 14:33 schrieb James Guichard: Dear WG: The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00

[spring] operator requirements for draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement

2021-04-07 Thread Martin Horneffer
Dear srcomp dt, and spring wg, thanks a lot for the enormous effort to collect and describe all the requirements for compression mechanisms, and for already starting the analysis! A true work of merit. From an operator’s point of view I would like to add two requirements that I believe to

Re: [spring] IPR Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy

2021-04-13 Thread Martin Horneffer
Dear chairs, I am not aware of any IPR concerning this documennt. Best regards, Martin Am 11.04.21 um 12:34 schrieb James Guichard: Hi Authors, Contributors, WG Authors of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy have asked for WG last call. In preparation of the WGLC this email starts a

Re: [spring] operator requirements for draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement

2021-04-14 Thread Martin Horneffer
en covered by existed "4.2.4. SID summarization" ? B.R. Weiqiang Cheng -邮件原件- 发件人: spring [mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Martin Horneffer 发送时间: 2021年4月7日 20:47 收件人: spring@ietf.org 主题: [spring] operator requirements for draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement Dear s

Re: [spring] operator requirements for draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement

2021-04-23 Thread Martin Horneffer
- From: spring On Behalf Of Martin Horneffer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 11:53 AM To: Weiqiang Cheng ; spring@ietf.org Cc: 'srcomp' Subject: Re: [spring] operator requirements for draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Weiqiang, thank

Re: [spring] SRv6 compression

2021-08-03 Thread Martin Horneffer
Many thanks to the DT for the good and thorough work(1)! And many thanks to Wim for bringing this thread to the list. My view as an operator is: We already have more than enough standards and options. Often enough actually introducing new technology in a multi-vendor environment is a pain

Re: [spring] Progressing Standardizing SR over IPv6 compression

2021-08-06 Thread Martin Horneffer
My opinion clearly is: The WG should standardize ONE solution for SRv6 header compression, and it should follow to results of the DT. Reason: As an operator I could theoretically ignore the effort vendors have for implementing solution that I do not care for. In reality however that usually

Re: [spring] SRv6 compression

2021-08-06 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Tony, If silicon sooner or later get's tailored for SRv6, can't it be made to simply parse big enough headers? My understanding of SRv6 is that the SID list is effectively unbounded. It’s hard to grow silicon to keep up with unbounded. :-) true, but also true for any factor x by which

Re: [spring] SRv6 compression

2021-08-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Tony, well said. With this in mind I'd rather ask: Do we really need SID list compression at all? If silicon sooner or later get's tailored for SRv6, can't it be made to simply parse big enough headers? IMHO SRv6 is the one thing that really allows for full flexibility for whatever

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-08 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello everyone, as I see it, the document fits well into the framework of RFC8986, it solved the problem, and does so in an efficient manner. Thus I support the adoption of this document. Best rergards, Martin Am 01.10.21 um 16:04 schrieb James Guichard: Dear WG: The chairs would like to

Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed draft-schmutzer-spring-cs-sr-policy in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2023-05-26 Thread Martin Horneffer
Dear WG, strong support from my side. While I would not advise to run an SR enabled network to mainly carry circuit-style traffic, I do think this approach might be a valuable technology to further consolidate multi-service network, esp in cases when plain packet traffic seriously exceeds