Re: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Ron Greenman
Scott, >From Wikipedia. Pigging can just be a single shot thing also. You just drag the pig through a pipe not in use, then flush it. Pigging >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Please improve this article if you can. (Ja

RE: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Scott A. Futrell
Ron, By "pig" do you mean inflatable plug like Cherne manufacturer's? If so, I didn't know those were used for "cleaning". I guess it would work as long as there is accountability and it gets out of the ug before the fire... Scott Futrell (763) 425-1001 Office (612) 759-5556 Cell -Orig

RE: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Tom Duross
Getting that kind of scour is rare and very dependent on available pressure. When is it supposed to be flushed? When it's installed, right? How does it, us? Who witnesses the pressure test, us? What If wide open, bagged or not, you can't achieve the 10 fps rate? I wrote #20 years ago about hav

RE: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread George Church
If there may be folks trapped in a building they're spraying, they aren't going to worry about the suction pressure so much as the life in the window. And we sure don't want that debris to end up at the next reducing coupling or blocking a riser nipple/drop/orifice, etc. Worst part is that the flo

RE: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Law, Kevin W
We had a problem with our construction group wanting to allow a lower flow than the 10ft/s velocity in the lines saying that it was the maximum the system would flow, but they were only opening a single hydrant. We insisted and finally got them to get more hose monsters and flowed more hydrants to

RE: 500 DEGREE OVEN

2010-03-30 Thread John Denhardt
Agree - if a dry sprinkler system, screwed pipe should be used. John John August Denhardt, P.E. Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated 5113 Berwyn Road College Park, Maryland 20740 Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136 Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457 FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES -O

RE: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Craig.Prahl
I'm just having a problem reconciling that with all the verbiage and tables dealing with the 10fps velocity. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102

RE: 165 degree glass bulb heads

2010-03-30 Thread John Denhardt
I believe George got it right; because Job does not make a 155F. Can have what is not made. John John August Denhardt, P.E. Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated 5113 Berwyn Road College Park, Maryland 20740 Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136 Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457 FIRE SP

RE: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Thom McMahon
I think what #3 is saying is that let's say you have a 6" underground, but reduce at the riser to 3" because that is all of the system demand you have, you can flow a 3" open outlet at the riser to flush the underground, and that is equal to the maximum flow rate available to the system under fire

Re: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Ron Greenman
The objective is to move the water fast enough to move the crap and to move enough water that there's enough flow to get the stuff to the outlet so I think (dangerous) flow rate is more important. If I put my big thumb over the end of your 24" pipe I'll get good velocity but stuff might get hung u

Re: Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Matthew J. Willis
If you have a pump, flows in 20 are higher. Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: "craig.pr...@ch2m.com" Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:47:12 To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Underground flushing velocities NFPA 24 says the following

Underground flushing velocities

2010-03-30 Thread Craig.Prahl
NFPA 24 says the following: NFPA 24: 10.10.2.1.3 The minimum rate of flow shall be not less than one of the following: (1) Hydraulically calculated water demand flow rate of the system, including any hose requirements (2) Flow necessary to provide a velocity of 10 ft/sec (3.1 m/sec) in accordanc

RE: exposed CPVC history

2010-03-30 Thread Matt Grise
I have seen on Tyco's website where they have posted the listing change as a news article or update to the listing. If you poke around there, I think it is still up. Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection *Licensed in KS & MO 913.888.0647 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.927

exposed CPVC history

2010-03-30 Thread Todd Williams
I know that the listing had changed over time from whether CPVC can be used exposed or not in occupied areas. Is there any place where this history is documented? Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860.535.2080 www.fpdc.com

Re: [EPARADE] Fire Sprinkler Debate Likely to Heat Up

2010-03-30 Thread Todd Williams
Just as long as some of our older members vote "Depends" At 10:13 AM 3/30/2010, you wrote: >Yesterday's 45% yes to 48% no has reversed--48% yes to 45% no. Thanks. >And remember you can vote once a day from an email address so if you >have more than one….. Sort of a Chicago deal. > >On Tue, Mar 30

Re: 165 degree glass bulb heads

2010-03-30 Thread Roland Huggins
To follow along with George's thought (usually a scary thing to do), NFPA 25 says replacement sprinklers shall match the Temperature RATING. Roland On Mar 29, 2010, at 5:06 PM, George Church wrote: > I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this, but if I did I'd think > there > wouldn't be a s

Re: [EPARADE] Fire Sprinkler Debate Likely to Heat Up

2010-03-30 Thread Ron Greenman
Yesterday's 45% yes to 48% no has reversed--48% yes to 45% no. Thanks. And remember you can vote once a day from an email address so if you have more than one….. Sort of a Chicago deal. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:44 AM, John Drucker wrote: > Voted - YES > > John Drucker Jr CET > Fire Protection Su

RE: [EPARADE] Fire Sprinkler Debate Likely to Heat Up

2010-03-30 Thread John Drucker
Voted - YES John Drucker Jr CET Fire Protection Subcode Official Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector Borough of Red Bank, NJ -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, March 2