Depending on what codes you have adopted check out the following: International
Fire Code chapters : 50,53,63, and 61. The chapters will reference NFPA 58 and
other codes.
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I don't know, I started in the business in Sept. 1978, and it was in the book
then,
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From: Mark Eckard
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Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 3:34 pm
Subject: RE: Dry Barrel Sprinklers
As an option if return bends cannot be installed in a heated space.
Tha
As an option if return bends cannot be installed in a heated space.
Thank You
*Mark E. Eckard SET*
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Perry, GA 31069
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Can you clarify? Do you mean when they first came in as an option?
Matt
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Subject: Dry Barrel Sprinklers
Does anyone know what year the requirement to install Dry Barrel
Does anyone know what year the requirement to install Dry Barrel pendent
sprinklers appeared in NFPA-13?
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Just a word of caution.
When you are using 23.4.4.1.1.4, you also have to have additional flow added
in, as per the corresponding 23.4.4.1.1.5 (see A.23.4.4.1.1.4).
Larry Keeping
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Sent: May-17-1
Thanks everyone.
John Irwin
DynaFire Inc. – “*Same Day – Next Day*”
*From:* Sprinklerforum *On
Behalf Of *Steve Leyton
*Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 11:36 AM
*To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
*Subject:* RE: Misc Rack Storage
What Craig and Travis said. From a performance per
What Craig and Travis said. From a performance perspective, I always liked the
“double density” approach where you prove the required density for the hazard
that mostly characterizes the use and then a smaller hot spot for the more
hazardous aberration. So EH2 per Chapter 11, and also a .6/900
Two rows of in-rack sprinklers may solve the rack problem.
Art Tiroly
From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf
Of John Irwin
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 11:23 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Misc Rack Storage
Regardless of the trailers, do I need to provide .6/2000 f
We have a winner.
Thanks.
23.4.4.1.14 – uhg Is this even English?
John Irwin
DynaFire Inc. – “*Same Day – Next Day*”
*From:* Sprinklerforum *On
Behalf Of *MFP Design, LLC
*Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 11:29 AM
*To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
*Subject:* RE: Misc Rack Stor
When you have mixed criteria areas, you need to extend the higher density into
the lower density area for 15’. Reference NFPA 13: 12.3 for that requirement.
Also, don’t forget the issue of complying with 23.4.4.1.1.4.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
3356 E Vallejo Ct
Gilbert, AZ 85298
Not necessarily, you could use the provision of dissimilar adjacent hazards
where you extend the more demanding design criteria 15 ft beyond the limit of
that area per 12.3 (1) (2016 NFPA 13).
Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 |
craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jaco
One single rack? Seems to me that it makes sense to lower the storage and
spread it out. Look at the definition of miscellaneous storage – if one
fixture doesn’t characterize the occupancy, then it’s miscellaneous storage.
But 24’ of plastics is a serious fire load, so diluting it makes sens
Regardless of the trailers, do I need to provide .6/2000 for the racks? If
so, do I need to do that for the entire 5,000 sqft area? Seems excessive.
John Irwin
DynaFire Inc. – “*Same Day – Next Day*”
*From:* Sprinklerforum *On
Behalf Of *Steve Leyton
*Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 11:19
The table description states “... for Determining Horizontal Loads” and it is
under the section for Earthquake Bracing. The question came up do these apply
to vertical loads for regular hangers. Maybe this table should be A.9.1.1.2
instead.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Pro
I tend to agree – trailers potentially shielding fire load within from
sprinklers above (5.4.2).
SL
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Behalf Of Fpdcdesign
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:06 AM
To: Sprinklerforum
Subject: Re: Misc Rack Storage
Wouldn
well the answer is weight is weight ... horizontal or vertical
using a 2013 edtion NFPA 13
Table A.9.3.5.9 has pipe weight foot
then 9.2.5 Support of Risers
9.2.5.5support every <25'
Figure A.9.1.2.3(1) & Exhibit 9.14
show some Vertical Loads.
I think we are getting into Physic
Is there a reason that the weight would be different?
Matt
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Of Fpdcdesign
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:03 AM
To: Sprinklerforum
Subject: Weight of water filled pipe
Is there a reliable table for the weight of water filled pipe for vertical
loading (as in a st
Wouldn’t the trailer storage bring it up to EH2?
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-553-3553 (fax)
860-608-4559 (cell)
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> On May 17, 2018 at 9:47 AM, mailto:john.ir...@dynafire.com)>
Is there a reliable table for the weight of water filled pipe for vertical
loading (as in a straight hanger)? Table A.9.3.5.6 is for determining
horizontal loading, per the heading.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
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Here’s the situation … I have a 5,000 sqft, (currently) ordinary hazard
mixed use space. The new tenant intends to store two emergency disaster
management trailers in this space. However, along two walls, they want to
put a 3-teir rack with storage up to 20’ in height. TOS in the center of
the unit
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