[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Hydraulic Information Sign

2023-08-09 Thread Aaron Murg
etely on trying to get pre-made signage from vendors. IMO > if you want to properly document the information required in NFPA 13 (or 14) > in a comprehensible format then your best bet is to get a laminator and make > your own signage format. In particular, the options on the market for gene

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Hydraulic Information Sign

2023-08-09 Thread Fpdcdesign
re.com)> wrote: > > > > > > Per 6.8 of NFPA 14 (2016) It is required to supply a Hydraulic Design > Information Sign on the standpipe riser. I’ve looked at all the manufacturers > we usually buy from and have been unsuccessful in finding thes

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Hydraulic Information Sign

2023-08-09 Thread Dane Long
Per 6.8 of NFPA 14 (2016) It is required to supply a Hydraulic Design Information Sign on the standpipe riser. I've looked at all the manufacturers we usually buy from and have been unsuccessful in finding these. Is this something not a lot of contractor's purchase or supply? (See below

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Hydraulic Design Information sign

2022-04-22 Thread J H
"Permanent" marker fades over the years. Get a dremel with an engraving bit on a metal sign. Virus-free. www.avast.com

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Hydraulic Design Information sign

2022-04-22 Thread Bob Caputo
Thank you Mr. Leyton for self-policing and reminding everyone the forum is not the place for advertisements of any kind. The forum is solely for the purpose of peer review information and the exchange of ideas, technical (informal) interpretations of codes and standards. Participants

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Hydraulic Design Information sign

2022-04-22 Thread Steve Leyton
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Hydraulic Design Information sign

2022-04-22 Thread Alex Correia
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Hydraulic Design Information sign

2022-04-22 Thread Steve Mackinnon
We use a label maker… From: Dewayne Martinez Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 8:02 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Dewayne Martinez Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Hydraulic Design Information sign What has everyone been doing to satisfy the requirement of a “permanently” marked

RE: [EXTERNAL] Information Technology Rooms

2018-06-05 Thread Prahl, Craig/GVL
. "NFPA 75, 1.3 Application. The application of this standard is based on the risk considerations outlined in Chapter 4. The mere presence of the information technology equipment shall not constitute the need to invoke the requirements of this standard." Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group L

Re: Information Technology Rooms

2018-06-05 Thread Mike B Morey
o business continuity not fire protection concerns. Also A.1.2 is worth a look "This standard does not cover installation of information technology equipment and ITE areas that can be made without special construction or protection." 75's intended audience as far as I'm aware is business

Re: Information Technology Rooms

2018-06-04 Thread Bruce Verhei
an IT room or server room, even if it just a closet. > > NFPA #13 (2013) Section 22.14 Protection of Information Technology Equipment > send me to NFPA #75. > > NFPA #75 section 3.3.10 Information Technology Equipment System Any > electronic, digital, analog computer, along with peri

Re: Information Technology Rooms

2018-06-04 Thread Matthew J Willis
from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Jun 4, 2018 5:05 PM, James Crawford wrote: We are having a small problem with a local AHJ if the architect calls any room an IT room or server room, even if it just a closet. NFPA #13 (2013) Section 22.14 Protection of Information Technology Equipment send me

Re: Information Technology Rooms

2018-06-04 Thread Ron Greenman
all problem with a local AHJ if the architect calls any > room an IT room or server room, even if it just a closet. > > > > NFPA #13 (2013) Section 22.14 Protection of Information Technology > Equipment send me to NFPA #75. > > > > NFPA #75 section 3.3.10 Information

Information Technology Rooms

2018-06-04 Thread James Crawford
We are having a small problem with a local AHJ if the architect calls any room an IT room or server room, even if it just a closet. NFPA #13 (2013) Section 22.14 Protection of Information Technology Equipment send me to NFPA #75. NFPA #75 section 3.3.10 Information Technology Equipment

RE: Owner's Information Certificate.

2018-02-01 Thread Rocci 3 Cetani
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Re: Owner's Information Certificate.

2018-02-01 Thread John Irwin
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Re: Owner's Information Certificate.

2018-02-01 Thread Fpdcdesign
> > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mario > Berrios > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:54 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Owner's Information Certificate

RE: Owner's Information Certificate.

2018-02-01 Thread Prahl, Craig/GVL
Behalf Of Mario Berrios Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:54 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Owner's Information Certificate. [EXTERNAL] Members of the Forum, Owner's Information Certificate Fig. A.23.1.[b]. NFPA 13 [2013]. Please I need guidance on the following: many

Owner's Information Certificate.

2018-02-01 Thread Mario Berrios
Members of the Forum, Owner's Information Certificate Fig. A.23.1.[b]. NFPA 13 [2013]. Please I need guidance on the following: many times the Owner's Information Certificate is signed by the owner or the manager. I advise them that the information certificate should be signed by a Fire

RE: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Rocci Cetani 3
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Re: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Parsley Consulting
ET <tm...@mfpdesign.com <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>> wrote: Yes. Are you asking for some one to teach you how to space/calculate the bracing? Are you asking for material data sheet information? As Craig stated, your question is very broad. Travis Mack, SET MFP Desi

Re: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Mel Herrell
;tm...@mfpdesign.com> wrote: > Yes. Are you asking for some one to teach you how to space/calculate the > bracing? Are you asking for material data sheet information? As Craig > stated, your question is very broad. > > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > 2508 E Lodgepole Drive

Re: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Travis Mack, SET
Yes. Are you asking for some one to teach you how to space/calculate the bracing? Are you asking for material data sheet information? As Craig stated, your question is very broad. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107

RE: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Craig.Prahl
That’s a real broad question. What kind of information? Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME CH2M 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 CH2MHILL Extension 77540 craig.pr...@ch2m.com From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Tim Stone
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Information Thanks Chapter 9 of NFPA I was thinking there may have been a process or a list? Best regards Melvin On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Tim Stone <tston...@comcast.net <mailto:tston...@comcast.net> > wrote: NFPA 1

Re: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Mel Herrell
TEL: (802) 434-2968 > <(802)%20434-2968> Fax: (802) 434-4343 <(802)%20434-4343>* > >tston...@comcast.net > > > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler. > org] *On Behalf Of *Mel Herrell

RE: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Tim Stone
ubject: Information Where may I get some information on Seismic for sprinklers? Best regards Melvin ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org

Re: Information

2017-03-16 Thread Travis Mack, SET
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Information

2017-03-16 Thread Mel Herrell
Where may I get some information on Seismic for sprinklers? Best regards Melvin ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org

Re: General Information Form

2017-01-03 Thread Jay Stough
* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler. > org] *On Behalf Of *Jay Stough > *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:26 PM > *To:* Sprinkler Forum > *Subject:* General Information Form > > > > Does anyone have the General Information Form required by

RE: General Information Form

2017-01-02 Thread Ryan Labrie
<mailto:rlab...@criticalsystemsolutions.com> [cid:image001.gif@01D264C6.4593EBF0] From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jay Stough Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:26 PM To: Sprinkler Forum Subject: General Information Form Does anyon

General Information Form

2016-12-29 Thread Jay Stough
Does anyone have the General Information Form required by NFPA 13 (2007) or newer in Word format (or some other format)? I have made copies from the standard, but would like to find something more professional looking. I thought FPPI, Brooks Equipment or some similar company would have some

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread rongreenman .
will likely be extrapolating down to the curve to determine flows at 20 psi. But when we're only using he information to design sprinkler systems - as most on this forum are - then there is no set pressure drop requirement, at least not from a practical standpoint (there may be some

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread Todd - Work
: Water Flow Information I could not agree more for typical sprinkler work. I have been preaching this for years. I use this example: You drive a pick up and tow 3,00o to 5,000 pounds. The brakes were designed and tested for that load. Do I really care how the brakes perform with a 20,000 pound

RE: Water Flow Information - Sidebar

2015-07-10 Thread Mark A. Sornsin, P.E.
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RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread MPhelps
@lists.firesprinkler.org' Subject: RE: Water Flow Information I could not agree more for typical sprinkler work. I have been preaching this for years. I use this example: You drive a pick up and tow 3,00o to 5,000 pounds. The brakes were designed and tested for that load. Do I really care how the brakes

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread Mark A. Sornsin, P.E.
flows at 20 psi. But when we're only using he information to design sprinkler systems - as most on this forum are - then there is no set pressure drop requirement, at least not from a practical standpoint (there may be some jurisdictions/engineers imposing a requirement). My point

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread Brad Casterline
: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:08 PM To: Sprinkler Forum Subject: Re: Water Flow Information We did a flow test outside Trenton, NJ years ago, where they used to have a high pressure, high volume fire fighting main. We used a 4-1/2 outlet. Got 48 psi on the pitot and it went straight out to 3 lanes

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread Steve Leyton
Flow Information One issue to consider is that pitot pressures for 4 are a lot smaller (if I recall 10 psi or less). If the pitot pressure is something like 35, it most likely came from a 2-1/2. That being said, the results are suspect and therefore (in my opinion) not reliable. Todd G

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread Jay Stough
...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Denhardt Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:04 AM To: 'sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org' Subject: RE: Water Flow Information I could not agree more for typical sprinkler work. I have been preaching this for years. I use this example: You drive a pick

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread Scott A Futrell
...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd - Work Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:57 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Water Flow Information One issue to consider is that pitot pressures for 4 are a lot smaller (if I recall 10 psi or less). If the pitot pressure

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread rongreenman .
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Water Flow Information One issue to consider is that pitot pressures for 4 are a lot smaller (if I recall 10 psi or less). If the pitot pressure is something like 35, it most likely came from a 2-1/2. That being said, the results are suspect and therefore (in my opinion

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread Travis Mack
Flow Information I could not agree more for typical sprinkler work. I have been preaching this for years. I use this example: You drive a pick up and tow 3,00o to 5,000 pounds. The brakes were designed and tested for that load. Do I really care how the brakes perform with a 20,000 pound

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread Matthew J Willis
...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:01 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Water Flow Information if the center of the butt elevation was +2'-6, that was a 33' long stream Jay ! :) ! i have thoroughly enjoyed the visuals

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-10 Thread John Denhardt
the water supply near your demand point. You want to know how the water supply behaves in the range you are working in. While a flow rate at 20 psi residual pressure might be nice information, it is not as important. I have had water supplies that only drop a 1 to 2 psi at 1000 gpm flow rate

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Chad Matthews
- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:19 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Water Flow Information They can't be getting the same readings. It is a reporting error by the user

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Travis Mack
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:19 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Water Flow Information They can't be getting the same readings. It is a reporting error by the user providing the information. I see water authorities reporting flow test data wrong frequently. Many

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Brad Casterline
the 4 not flowing full would explain it -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 11:19 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Water Flow Information

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Chad Matthews
A. Sornsin, P.E. Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:51 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Water Flow Information Mark's comments point out support for the idea that you flow at least as much as the anticipated sprinkler hose demand combined when doing tests - if at all possible

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Matt Grise
  -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chad Matthews Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 11:06 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Water Flow Information Is there is specific requirement when receiving

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Steve Leyton
: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of mphe...@aerofire.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:39 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Water Flow Information Chad, That is not a good assumption, unless the municipal water system you

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Mark A. Sornsin, P.E.
: Thursday, July 09, 2015 11:39 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Water Flow Information Chad, That is not a good assumption, unless the municipal water system you are testing consist of a single elevated tank and a small service area. If the system uses pumps and tanks

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Chad Matthews
Information If static/residual/pitot are the same from 4 and 2.5 ports I would be questioning the results. A 25 psi pitot on 2.5 and 4 are very different flows. This would cause for a different residual pressure in most systems. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC Follow us on Facebook: https

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Travis Mack
://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Chad Matthews c...@norcalfire.com wrote: Is there is specific requirement when receiving water flow data, that I use the information

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Steve Leyton
That doesn't make sense. SML -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chad Matthews Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:06 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Water Flow Information

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Travis Mack
...@aerofire.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:39 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Water Flow Information Chad, That is not a good assumption, unless the municipal water system you are testing consist of a single elevated tank and a small service area. If the system

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Travis Mack
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Water Flow Information Is there is specific requirement when receiving water flow data, that I use the information as it flows from the 2½” outlet of a fire hydrant? I ask because from a certain jurisdiction they give us the water flow info from the 2½” outlet and the 4

Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Chad Matthews
Is there is specific requirement when receiving water flow data, that I use the information as it flows from the 2½” outlet of a fire hydrant? I ask because from a certain jurisdiction they give us the water flow info from the 2½” outlet and the 4” outlet, the static, residual, and pitot

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Travis Mack
They can't be getting the same readings. It is a reporting error by the user providing the information. I see water authorities reporting flow test data wrong frequently. Many incorrectly apply or don't apply at all the pumper modification for times when flowing the pumper outlet. Travis

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread rongreenman .
Information So in this case, I tend to believe the 2.5 readings. When you calculate the same readings through the 4 outlet you get what the GPM they gave me in the report. This leads me to believe that they did the test through the 2.5 outlet and just applied the same info for the 4 outlet, which

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread andy-johnston
Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Chad Matthews c...@norcalfire.com Date: 07/09/2015 12:06 PM (GMT-05:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Water Flow Information Is there is specific requirement when receiving water flow data

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Steve Leyton
. So, if you open multiple 2½ outlets to raise the flow and drop the residual, I would agree. But if my choice is a single 2½ or a single 4, then I firmly stand by what I said because many times you can't flow multiple ports and a single 4 can encompass the entire range of information you're

Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread rongreenman .
encompass the entire range of information you're looking to secure, i.e. hydraulic design basis and site fire flow at 20psi. I would also add that because of the drought, we're not doing many flow tests here and computer models will be the source of our flow data almost exclusively, going forward

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Rocci Cetani 3
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Re: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread rongreenman .
c...@norcalfire.com wrote: Is there is specific requirement when receiving water flow data, that I use the information as it flows from the 2½” outlet of a fire hydrant? I ask because from a certain jurisdiction they give us the water flow info from the 2½” outlet and the 4” outlet

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread MPhelps
] On Behalf Of Chad Matthews Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Water Flow Information So in this case, I tend to believe the 2.5 readings. When you calculate the same readings through the 4 outlet you get what the GPM they gave me

RE: Water Flow Information

2015-07-09 Thread Chad Matthews
-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:27 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Water Flow Information In theory you should get a consistent curve when plotted on a semi log n1.85 graph paper. Read through NFPA 291

Archive information?

2013-09-17 Thread Martinez, Dewayne
When I try to access the forum's archive it asks me for a username and password. Did something change? Thanks, Dewayne ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org

RE: Archive information?

2013-09-17 Thread Brad Casterline
] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Archive information? When I try to access the forum's archive it asks me for a username and password. Did something change? Thanks, Dewayne

RE: Archive information?

2013-09-17 Thread Martinez, Dewayne
information? Dewayne, Try copy paste the following in your browser and you should get to a page with a search window near the top: http://www.mail-archive.com/sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org/maill ist. html -Original Message- From: Martinez, Dewayne [mailto:dmarti...@total-mechanical.com

RE: Archive information?

2013-09-17 Thread Brad Casterline
: Archive information? NopeNot Found -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:18 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject

RE: Archive information?

2013-09-17 Thread Martinez, Dewayne
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Is it a really good business strategy for a government to hire the same 3rd party-plan review team year-after-year? That sounds about as fair as a Mexican election. Don't people and political parties in power tend to misconstrue and accumulate a greater sense of misappropriated control

Re: Information about sprinklers in hangar roof style warehouses

2012-06-03 Thread José Gregorio Prada Rodriguez
Dear Mr. Scot: Thanks for your interest. Well, there is no more real information about commodities storage in this warehouse, but, as I know, there will be 9mts double racks, and celing height will be at least 13 meters. The real problem here is that too many contractor are building these kind

Information about sprinklers in hangar roof style warehouses

2012-06-03 Thread å . . . . . . .
Jose: That is a sufficiently-large clear space above the top of storage to raise eyebrows. Some fire tests indicate more sprinkler go off in such a situation--with a horizontal roof. Add to that a sloped roof, and yes, there could be some real problems with extinguishing such a fire, although

Re: Information about sprinklers in hangar roof style warehouses

2012-06-03 Thread José Gregorio Prada Rodriguez
Thanks a lot againg. I will observe your recommedations. I will wait for customer's decision about this issue. Regards, 2012/6/3 å... eurekaig...@gmail.com Jose: That is a sufficiently-large clear space above the top of storage to raise eyebrows. Some fire tests indicate more

Information about sprinklers in hangar roof style warehouses

2012-06-03 Thread å . . . . . . .
Jose: errata: 1]. ceiling slope of 2-up-for-12-over. 2]. horizontal-barriers-with-sprinklers-under is a NFPA recommendation regardless-of-ceiling-slope, when clear height of storage is 3 meters at storage heights 7.6 m. There might be some serious negative factors in these

Re: Information about sprinklers in hangar roof style warehouses

2012-06-03 Thread Ben Young
Jose, are you referring to the large Quonset Hut-style storage warehouses that you often see on military bases? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quonset_hut I think the US military now calls them K-spans. http://constructionmanuals.tpub.com/14251/css/14251_213.htm Benjamin Young On Sun, Jun 3,

Re: Information about sprinklers in hangar roof style warehouses

2012-06-03 Thread MPhelps
path with in-rack sprinklers and barriers. Or good insurance! Mark at Aero - Original Message - From: Ben Young [mailto:derblitzkrie...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:49 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Information about

Information about sprinklers in hangar roof style warehouses

2012-06-02 Thread å . . . . . . .
Hola Jose: It is difficult to make a statement about skipping (if indeed that were what is happening) without knowing more details of the application you are intending. what is the slope how high is the underside of the ceiling at roof and eave (lowest height) what are you storing

Fire Pump Information

2010-11-17 Thread ParsleyConsulting
Brian, My approach would be as follows: 1) Refer the AHJ to section 4.6.2.3.1 of NFPA-20, 2010, which states [emphasis mine]: /4.6.2.3.1 Where the maximum flow available from the water supply cannot provide a flow of 150 percent of the rated flow of the pump, but the water supply can

RE: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-19 Thread Andy
a two hydrant test I have to send to men to do the test on private hydrants. Is doing a one hydrant test Ok for color coding? Thank you for your attention. Andy Johnston   The information contained in this transmission is privileged and confidential. No reader may make any use of it's contents

Re: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-19 Thread Ron Greenman
@ 20 PSI if the curve is steep it can be a difference. If I do a two hydrant test I have to send to men to do the test on private hydrants. Is doing a one hydrant test Ok for color coding? Thank you for your attention. Andy Johnston The information contained in this transmission

Re: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-18 Thread George Medina Jr
Thanks guys. George Medina Jr. -Original Message- From: George Medina Jr fireg...@aol.com To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:39 pm Subject: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information orum, What is the formula to find Hydrant flows at 20 psi? ( Was that said

Re: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-18 Thread Trevor Spain
George, Given the hydrant flow test information, flow at any pressure may be calculated as follows: 1. calculate and save K = (static - residual) / (measure flow^1.85) 2. Now calculate flow at any pressure p: flow = [ (static - p) / K ]^(1/1.85) The flow test information should already

Re: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-18 Thread David de Vries
Engineering Incorporated --- On Fri, 10/15/10, George Medina Jr fireg...@aol.com wrote: From: George Medina Jr fireg...@aol.com Subject: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 6:39 PM Forum, What is the formula to find Hydrant

RE: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-18 Thread Scott A. Futrell
, October 17, 2010 11:08 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information George, you can look up NFPA 291 on NFPA's website and read all about it. If you don't have a copy, go to the Codes and Standards link at www.nfpa.org, then half way down the page

Re: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-18 Thread Trevor Spain
Calculation Information George, you can look up NFPA 291 on NFPA's website and read all about it. If you don't have a copy, go to the Codes and Standards link at www.nfpa.org, then half way down the page the List of Codes and Standards link, then NFPA 291, then View 2010 edition on line

Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-15 Thread George Medina Jr
of 2½ outlets. If I could be directed to the location of the information or if anyone has an old notebook with the following information it would be greatly appreciated if shared. Thanks, George Medina Jr. 323-278-0021 fireg...@aol.com

Re: Fire Hydrant Calculation Information

2010-10-15 Thread Ron Greenman
computer. I also remember having a spreadsheet containing coefficients for the three types of 2½ outlets. If I could be directed to the location of the information or if anyone has an old notebook with the following information it would be greatly appreciated if shared. Thanks, George

Owner's Information Certificate

2009-07-20 Thread Mike Hairfield
I was wondering if anyone has a Owner's Information Certificate that they could send me a copy? Trying to copy it out of NFPA #13-2007 isn't doing well. Thanks in advance Mike Hairfield ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list http

RE: Owner's Information Certificate

2009-07-20 Thread Bobby McCullough
To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM Subject: Owner's Information Certificate I was wondering if anyone has a Owner's Information Certificate that they could send me a copy? Trying to copy it out of NFPA #13-2007 isn't doing well. Thanks in advance Mike Hairfield

RE: Room design method - Technical information

2009-07-20 Thread Thom McMahon
method - Technical information My preliminary calculations worked out good with the delta flow not exceeding more than 1.5gpm using 2.8k heads covering 74 sq ft each ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Room design method - Technical information

2009-07-20 Thread George Medina Jr
am Subject: RE: Room design method - Technical information 1.5Gpm from a 2.8K is less than 1 Psi, you'd still need to meet the 7 Psi min. head pressure so even 2.8K heads would flow 7.41 Gpm+. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488

Re: Room design method - Technical information

2009-07-18 Thread George Medina
To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org Cc: msingletonf...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Room design method - Technical information ?I am trying to help a contractor friend with a residential fire sprinkler system originally designed per NFPA-13D using Tyco 'LF-II' 4.9K. His client has areas where the beams

RE: Room design method - Technical information

2009-07-17 Thread lamarvaughn
...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Medina Jr Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:26 PM To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org Cc: msingletonf...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Room design method - Technical information ?I am trying to help

RE: Room design method - Technical information

2009-07-17 Thread lamarvaughn
...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Medina Jr Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:26 PM To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org Cc: msingletonf...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Room design method - Technical information ?I am trying to help

RE: Room design method - Technical information

2009-07-17 Thread lamarvaughn
...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Medina Jr Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:26 PM To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org Cc: msingletonf...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Room design method - Technical information ?I am trying to help

Re: Room design method - Technical information

2009-07-17 Thread George Medina
Of George Medina Jr Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:26 PM To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org Cc: msingletonf...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Room design method - Technical information ?I am trying to help a contractor friend with a residential fire sprinkler system originally designed per

Re: Room design method - Technical information

2009-07-17 Thread Ron Greenman
Of George Medina Jr Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:26 PM To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org Cc: msingletonf...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Room design method - Technical information ?I am trying to help a contractor friend with a residential fire sprinkler system originally designed per

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