for
bid but not in years.
Tom Duross
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Sure..
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I actually enjoy the design part.
Vince Sabolik
Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
11351 Pearl Road
Strongsville, Ohio 44136
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Fitters are the ultimate end users of the designers products. Any
feedback from them about the various CAD programs?
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
860-535-2080
www.fpdc.com
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At 08:14 AM 2/15/2007, you wrote:
Vince,
I used cad out of the box for years and when we switched to Autosprink
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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:55 AM
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I have experience with all three of the major sprinkler design packages.
I began my career using SprinkCAD about 12 years ago and it has been the
package I have used
At 09:14 AM 2/15/2007, you wrote:
Here's an idea. If you're a design house, how about sending out a
questionnaire with each design and ask the installers some pointed
questions about the ease of following your design, accuracy, legibility,
etc. Might get some interesting feedback good, bad or
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Our fitters hated the Hydracad produced drawings simply because the
design houses that produced them would not take time to make sure their
drawings were legible. They hated the nodes on the dwgs because they
created unnecessary clutter but the design houses we used
:24 AM
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We also use HydraCad. We have used two other systems mentioned in this
string and find Hydra Cad to be the best but its really dependent on what
you use day in and day out. Whatever a designer becomes familiar
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Has anyone used any of the programs that are offered from Tim Frost? (I
know he does not offer a design program) Thank you in advance for your
inputs.
Kathryn
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I will admit that the Pelli Tower was a great example of the limitations of
AutoSprink. That tower is curved. AutoSprink works great with straight
lines, but is a nightmare with an entirely curved building.
I sure hope it will fit :-) Actually, based on all of the coordination and
the last I
We tried to learn Autosprink. The training is the problem. It is very
different. If you are used to AutoCAD it is not easy to convert your
thinking. Simple things can be very frustrating. You have to spend the time
and money for training. We did not and gave up.
Art
ATCO Fire Protection Design
I currently use both programs. I would have to say that since converting to
AutoSprink, I have seen nearly a 200% increase in production. There are
some things that are unique with AutoSprink, but they are no different
than the quirks of other programs.
The listing is superior for AutoSprink.
.
www.karina.gen.tr
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We tried to learn Autosprink. The training is the problem. It is very
My previous comments were for SprinkCad not Autosprink sorry.
Art
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We are considering
info. Overall I guess it's not
a bad thing.
( I still miss my pencils and triangles ;(
Ed
Aero
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I have used both programs extensively. AutoSPRINK as a stand alone
product is AWESOME. But after you wade through the flash, I have found a
few items to talk about. The problem is, it is not AutoCAD. The projects
I am involved with require me to upload dwg's of my progress and
download dwg's of
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For those using Autosprink, a couple of questions: Are there any
compatibility issues with drawing done
Question for the automated package users.
I have been told by several contracts that they can not manipulate where
the program places text, nodes and other type information on the
drawings. This has often resulted in some pretty crappy looking
drawings and drawings that are hard to review,
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When I was comparing AutoSprink to Hydracad, the sample plan view
drawings that were provided to me by AutoSprink did not seem as sharp
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How about with HydraCad?
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
PM
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I have never used HydraCAD but I have used SprinkCAD for years and it does
not have any restrictions that I remember. I think it comes down to laziness
and a lack of pride in ones work.
Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS
Burtell Fire
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How about with HydraCad?
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
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Craig,
HydraCAD is the absolute easiest about moving nodes, pipe text, fab
tags, etc. IMHO HydraCAD far
At 03:25 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote:
I have been told by several contracts that they can not manipulate where
the program places text, nodes and other type information on the
drawings. This has often resulted in some pretty crappy looking
I use cad right out of the box, hence the text, nodes and
: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Design software
At 03:25 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote:
I have been told by several contracts that they can not manipulate
where the program places text, nodes and other type information on the
drawings. This has
At 06:43 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote:
When I design a system I design it.
Exactly what I meant.
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At 07:46 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote:
Yes I do that too, but that doesn't mean I recommend that to anyone,
I just don't do the volume to justify another program.
and the Maint. costs.
I actually enjoy the design part. I haven't seen a program that can
out think a good designer in head layout and
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