Is there anyone who would be willing to help me off forum with some design
questions and calculation questions?
Karen Purvis
Senior Designer
Facility Systems Consultants
713 South Central Street,
Suite 101
Knoxville, TN 37902
ph.865-246-0164
fax 865-246-1084
Thanks to everyone for the offers of help. I have found my answers this time
but may have more later.
Karen Purvis
Senior Designer
Facility Systems Consultants
713 South Central Street,
Suite 101
Knoxville, TN 37902
ph.865-246-0164
fax 865-246-1084
True the code might give you guidance. But the more fundamental is who is
intended to use the standpipe. Untrained people - Class II, FD only -
Class I, either - Class III. And if it's FD the spacing, pressure and size
is up to them especially if not in USA. In other words maybe the FD would
Does anyone have written fire pump test procedures that they'd be willing to
share?
I need for electric and for diesel. Time is my enemy and I'd rather edit an
existing then create from scratch if possible.
Thanks
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
Hello all once again and thank you for the valuable time and answers. Ron as
you mentioned, yes the prison facility and where my office is in Mexico but
I am in the city and the facility is in the middle of nowhere.
I will definitely discuss the points which you have outlined about the
evacuation
Levent,
Seems to me that developing a water supply for a standpipe system in
the middle of nowhere will be far more expensive than doing the same
for a sprinkler system, including the sprinkler system itself. The
tank size and pump size can just be so much smaller in the latter
scenario. There is
Has anyone seen/used the term under/over sprinkler on a set plans? Someone
in my office has a set of plans where the contractor called out the
sprinklers as under/over sprinklers. At first I thought maybe it was
describing pendant sprinklers below the ceiling and upright above,
protecting a
Above and below is the usual slang for what I'd think he means.
And maybe the contract dwgs showed above and below, referred to it as
under/over, and maybe this is a plumber who doesn't know you don't need
uprights in noncombustible spaces, maybe the AE doesn't care, they're on the
docs and its
Depending on the conditions of the project in regards to an underwriter or
other AHJ requirement, contents such as piping, wiring, HVAC equipment,
ducting, etc. could be combustible and drive an underwriter to require above
ceiling protection due to the combustible loading of the contents, not
No equipment shown on the plans except for in the mechanical room.
They are showing these sprinklers throughout the building, including the
stairwells. Basically everywhere there is a ceiling.
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM, craig.pr...@ch2m.com wrote:
Depending on the conditions of the
Cloud ceiling?
At 11:58 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
Depending on the conditions of the project in regards to an
underwriter or other AHJ requirement, contents such as piping,
wiring, HVAC equipment, ducting, etc. could be combustible and drive
an underwriter to require above ceiling protection
I just read it again. The detail for the upright sprinkler may be an
Old Style sprinkler.
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No clouds.
I hadn't thought about the possible reference to a conventional style
sprinkler.
I'll have to check back with the review and see if they got a response from
the contractor.
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Matthew J. Willis m...@norredfire.comwrote:
Also know as Conventional, and
NFPA 13 has a pipe schedule for above and below a ceiling (table 22.5.3.7
2007 edition). You mention concrete floors, just be sure there is no
combustible form board that remains in place if you are proposing to
eliminate the above sprinklers.
John Hoffman P.E. | Fire Protection Engineer |
Has anyone shared this info yet? I would be interested if someone wants to
share.
thanks
Craig Leadbetter
Safeguard of Marquette
(O) 906-475-9955
(F) 906-475-5474
(C) 906-362-5393
At 10:30 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
Does anyone have written fire pump test procedures that they'd be
Matt's right, unlikely there's a fur vault intended use above the ceiling,
unless critters die.
You WILL let us know why they'd have concealed heads below, uprights above,
a ceiling in a non-combustible stair tower?
light bulb ON IS IT A GOVERNMENT JOB??? That might explain everything.
glc
I will definitely let everyone know as soon as we get a response.
Thanks for the insights.
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:18 PM, George Church for...@ptd.net wrote:
Matt's right, unlikely there's a fur vault intended use above the ceiling,
unless critters die.
You WILL let us know why they'd
I have a memo of responsibilities (Owner and Contractor) and duties I'd be
happy to share with anyone that want it but I do a little more than what's
required, somewhere between annual and start-up.
Tom Duross
Email me off-list if interested.
Has anyone shared this info yet? I would be
I am working on a classroom building with cloud ceilings in each of
the classrooms. Construction is concrete on steel beams. Sprinklers
are to be installed bothabove and below the cloud. The space between
the ceiling and the deck is 2'-6. 8.15.1.6 calls for concealed space
sprinklers in
Try N.F.P.A. 20 or the Fire Pump Handbook by Puchovsky and Isman.I hope this
helps
Tom Reinhardt
Wheeling Fire Inspector
2 Community Boulevard
Wheeling,IL 60090
phone 847-499-9067
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
I am not sure this qualifies as a combustible concealed space (combustible
enclosure being key words) as much as a ceiling mounted obstruction. Your
situation leads me more along the lines of the obstruction rules (8.6.5.3-2007).
8.15.1.6 also specifically calls out wood truss/joist/double
I agree- light haz- probly obst. Const. at the deck (if the beams are not
too far apart), ignore the clouds 1st, sprinkler the floor spaced to the
walls-- then drop pend heads in the clouds spaced to the edge of the clouds
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From: Dan Wilder [mailto:d...@desertfire.com]
Correct.
Tony
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: February 18, 2010 2:13 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Spklr in non comb space
I am working on a classroom
Craig:
I'd go with the well considered checklists by Mike Thrapp, of Oregon, sold by
ICC .
http://www.iccsafe.org/Store/Pages/Product.aspx?category=940cat=ICCSafeid=4408X06
table of contents
http://www.iccsafe.org/Store/Documents/TOC/4408s06.pdf
excerpt from preface
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