RE: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread George Church
But the cure (air leakage test performed every 3 years) is only cured when: a) its adopted b) its enforced. Parallel to when an EOR leaves boiler plate in his spec for compliance with the latest edition of a particular code or standard. Why would you penalize the Owner's wallet for compliance

RE: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Tom Duross
Most generators, if not all, have a nitrogen storage tank. The one I used put out 70 PSI requiring an AMD and we still had a riser mount air compressor because the generator could not fill in 30 minutes. They're interconnected and valved. -Original Message- From:

RE: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
Based on NFPA 13, 2010 edition and NFPA 101, 2009 edition. Annex D is not part of the enforceable section of NFPA 13, unless a jurisdiction specifically adopts it (see section heading). In this case, Annex D is copied from NFPA 101, so if a jurisdiction adopts NFPA 101, it is enforceable from

Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Curtis Tower
I don't think anyone could ever foresee just how much discussion could be generated from a space barely large enough to store a vacuum cleaner in...[chuckles under breath]. - Original Message - From: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] johnson...@mail.nih.gov To:

Re: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Ron Greenman
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Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Ron Greenman
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RE: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Mike Henke
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Re: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Charles Thurston
Hello, Use bottled nitrogen for the 30 minute refill time and the nitrogen generator for the pressure maintenance of the system. Friday, October 5, 2012, 10:55:28 AM, you wrote: Ron, I requested a technical interpretation from NFPA for that exact question. My question was: NFPA 13, 2010,

RE: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread George Church
$ You've got a belt and suspenders cost for a customer who, by code, only needs one. And it didn't have to be the more expensive N2 version. So when presenting the idea of minimizing future corrosion, he's got the following, grabbing $ out of the air: 1. plant air- $600 for an AMD 2.

Re: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Ron Greenman
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RE: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Rod DiBona
Duane, Thanks for the excellent analysis and clear delineation of the small yet significant differences. Rod at Rapid -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] Sent:

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2012-10-05 Thread George Church
Small until you do a large complex and add 30% of the heads-OUCH! George L. Church, Jr., CET   Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE   570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

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2012-10-05 Thread Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
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RE: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Tom Duross
George, the generator I bought with an autopurge valve for the line to the ITV, a sensor for checking N2 concentration, storage tank, was $6800. I'm gambling on limited data here that this 10K investment on a system will save my customer from having to replace 50K in pipe and fittings only 30

RE: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread George Church
Mind sharing the system volume for that much generator $? You well know the volume range is huge, and with electronic accelerators now allowing reliably faster trip times, we've done some warehouse conversions that were monstrous. The one I'm thinking of had FM blessing, and a high pressure

RE: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Tom Duross
N2 Blast #250. 2 1/2 replacement main x 100' with 500' of 1 branches. Relatively small. I2 5BRx2B bungalow. 120'x45'. I talked about sizing these with their Engineer and got the impression they size them for some 'expected' leakage plus the trickle you set the purge valve to relieve. I was

Re: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Mike Cabral
The air we breath is 78% N2 I think you might want to check into this further. 97 or 98% N2 is about right? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Tom Duross tduro...@comcast.net wrote: N2 Blast #250. 2 1/2 replacement main x 100' with 500' of 1 branches. Relatively small. I2