Re: Retail Building

2017-04-07 Thread Roland Huggins
BULLSEYE Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:27 PM, David Miller wrote: > > 20.3 is an alternative to

RE: Retail Building

2017-04-07 Thread David Miller
20.3 is an alternative to the Chapter 16 and Chapter 17 requirements for "Big Box" retail stores; likely as another way to avoid in-rack sprinklers. The ".shall be permitted." in paragraph 20.3.1 is key. The designer has the option of using the provisions of 20.3.1 if they meet all 13 of the

RE: Retail Building

2017-04-07 Thread Fox, Duane T. (FireMarshal)
Ordinary Group 2 limits storage up to and including 12 ft. If the storage is over 12 ft you have to do something else. I will accept a shelf detail showing the top shelving unit. A shelf over 10ft only allows two feet of storage before you exceed the 12 ft for OH-2. What is the storage

FW: 2016 (A.5.3.1) ITEM (10)

2017-04-07 Thread Matthew J Willis
Sorry, It was supposed to have Item (10) Matthew J. Willis Project Manager Rapid Fire Protection Inc. 1530 Samco Road Rapid City, SD 57702 Office-605.348.2342 Direct Line-605.593.5063 Cell-605.391.2733 Fax:-605.348.0108 [cid:image001.png@01D159E8.1A3A2D00] From:

2016 (A.5.3.1)

2017-04-07 Thread Matthew J Willis
This should have always been, but these have always been LH. What changed? R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis Project Manager Rapid Fire Protection Inc. 1530 Samco Road Rapid City, SD 57702 Office-605.348.2342 Direct Line-605.593.5063 Cell-605.391.2733 Fax:-605.348.0108

RE: Retail Building

2017-04-07 Thread Gregory Lindholm
Maybe I explained it wrong. In the past, all Retail was labeled Mercantile, Ordinary Hazard Group II, unless they specifically had storage over 12' high. Pretty much all Grocery Stores went in OH Group II. Now, what is stopping an AHJ from calling a Strip Mall with 13' deck and 10'

Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-07 Thread Charles Thurston
Hello Dewayne, Another thing, The way "I" see it the 15 seconds is not trip time, It is time till water comes out the head. Friday, April 7, 2017, 7:45:53 AM, you wrote: Thanks Ed, I missed the one about the K-factors. I took a look at the inspections tags and the dry system has 70sec trip

Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-07 Thread Parsley Consulting
Pete, I certainly agree, which is why I was delighted to see that the 15 second delivery time was present in the earlier edition, so it was applicable under that standard as well. *Ken Wagoner, SET *Parsley Consulting*** *350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 *Escondido, California 92025

RE: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-07 Thread Dewayne Martinez
Thanks Ed, I missed the one about the K-factors. I took a look at the inspections tags and the dry system has 70sec trip times so it looks like a wet system is the way to go. We could retrofit the valve with an electronic accelerator but Tyco states to only expect the trip time to get about