The liabilities we ITM contractors can inadvertently inherit are HUGE and
especially so when you look at the minimal amount of revenue we get for
taking on this risk.
The #25 committee has done a good job of understanding and limiting it for
us, but contractors doing ITM MUST understand what you
If you're smart enough to learn from history.
And that's why you and I know the value of a peer group- learn from other
people's mistakes, rather than repeat them!
See ya in a month in SD at AFSA !
glc
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the opportunity to correct it myself. So I do the same with others.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Forest Wilson
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:54 PM
Thom, that's EXACTLY how I'd do it.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:29 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Chewable
I'd like someone to treat me should there be a
problem with one of our installations, one of our installers, etc. and allow
me the opportunity to correct it myself. So I do the same with others.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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Nice to have a decaf switch directed at someone else for a change :)
If we don't include the bs, it's just work.
I've found when I get together with sprinkler friends from the Forum, which
happens pretty frequently, the discussion isn't unlike the banter on this
forum. It's just how we express
I'd suggest NFPA as the best source for this. Problem is, there is no
nationwide clearinghouse recording this data like our friends Down Under
have, so many of our saves are buried on page 72 of the newspaper, as in
Sprinkler system floods building and in the last para they mention- oh,
there was
: P.O. Box 69
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Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
Waverly, MN 55390
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:38 AM
This would likely drive more work to the inspectors that don't get out of
their vehicles. You can put the system in place to effect what you desire-
and people WILL find a way to defeat it or work around it.
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We rod, install thrust blocks, and use mega lugs on the fittings.
Belt, suspenders, and hands in pockets.
Considering the cost compared to the cost of asking the GC to re-pour the
floor we just dug up to fix a leak (not to mention the egg removal cost),
its cheap insurance.
Heck, last time we
Can anyone expound upon the reasons why the 13d committee found it necessary
to include ASME standards for pressure tanks, while allowing unlisted pumps?
George Church
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, much like USC is for double check
assemblies.
Jim Johnston, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Inland Fire Protection, Inc
1100 Ahtanum Road
Yakima, WA 98903
Phone 509-248-4471
Fax 509-248-1180
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Sent
And then the elevator inspector will make u take the head out.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bob Knight
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:26 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
And a height at which it would be tempting to store tables below it, etc. so
protection would be reqd- although leaving 18 clear above the spkrs would
be difficult to enforce past the design phase.
Also, if the church is using real alcohol vrs grape juice, the prev #13
reference asks if flammable
If there is a lecture hall-ful of people exiting, it'll be tough to get the
room to seal with a couple of 2m openings. And I'll echo that DI Preaction
backup makes sense, use concealed heads to minimize physical damage
potential.
Compare cost of the investment in Sony goodies (and the
Incredibly, I was going to be much briefer and simply note that drain tests
-WHEN THE RESULTS ARE COMPARED WITH PAST PERFORMANCE-and the base line from
original installation is known.
Maybe hydraulic placards should have a space for original drain test during
acceptance testing?
And I think
We don't have quite the problems some areas have with water limits except in
some areas. We did, however, recently do some work where even a real flow
test had to be run thru their modeling, degraded, and then sent out for use.
Alas, once they degraded a 58 PSI supply to a 28 PSI supply, I
I don't recall seeing anything but 14x14 (in OH) and 16x16, 18x18, and 20x20
EC spacing increments. If you need 15x15, you'll have to round up to 16x16.
Don't forget that if you're in LH, you need to consider if you'll end up
flowing more heads with the EC requirement to flow a min of 5, vrs
Guys-
I don't think roger is reading the forum. You were supposed to email him if
you continued to receive messages incorrectly, per Steve's email.
If you want to un-subscriobe, I don't think it does any good to tell we
forumites about it, likely there's an email address for that, too- try
: 850-557-1886
www.fire-design.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:44 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Hydraulic Calculations
I liked the vision of melted butter rlling downthe streets of Boston, drowning
the marching lobsters from the early days of the Forum.
Especially poignant later watching the Quell video about Yes, freezers burn
and the melted cheese and water run-off in WI at a fire that burned a few days.
Similar to the difference in diligence (or attitude) in running drain tests.
You're SUPPOSED to (good practice) hang the drain test results at the valve
for comparison, and advise when results are different. How many penny loafer
inspectors run the drain test, write down the results, and then go
A metric expressed in metric?
TGIF
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of å...
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:16 PM
To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Carpet Storage
Energy per m2
None of this stuff matters. The reality is if 150% isn't there, it doesn't
mean you somehow have to come up with it. Its how you test WHEN AND IF YOU
HAVE IT. if you have only what you need to meet the system demand, that's
fine- and all you need.
Todd, you have prime candidate for Clarke's PLD.
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:03 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Hydraulic Calculations
Throwing a dart from memory- mid 80's.
glc
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EFSN conference?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Willis
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:54 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: 3 from 1
Good stuff. Thanks John
I'm sure there are still some mom and pops that would be installing PS vrs
calc if they had the option. You know how expensive those freelancers
are
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland
We did one last year since the nearest 3-phase was down at the bottom of the
mountain and it was $150k to bring it up the hill. So we were limited to a
little- 10 or 15 sounds right-HP single phase as our supply, squeeked it
out. But you see why we didn't really have the option to go 3-phase, next
Throwing a dart from memory- mid 80's.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of ETHER BARLOW
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:07 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Hydraulic
Here's a parallel that may work, or may cause Roland to write a response ;)
If a ceiling is still considered horizontal and flat at 2/12, then wouldn't
a flip of that mean if you turn that 90* its still vertical.
Lemme guess, the committee never discussed it. Then what did you do all day?
Glc
Guess it'd be obvious what to do if there was a stair tower going up onto
the roof, you'd be sticking it out the wall, not asking the Forum.
If you end up penetrating the roof, I'd double check with a roofer to make
sure it doesn't leak- likely one that doesn't go away with a salt rag.
glc
Make sure your devices/piping between the ecc (or conc) reducer are at least
the minimum req'd for the pump capacity per #20. Sometimes you'll have a
pump that requires, say, 6 suction and it's a 5 inlet. Not that you'd use
5 OSY on the way in (unless they're REALLY dusty and you want to use em
Another reason to have a peer group if not just a circle of friends
When I was with ASCOA, and we were doing Chrysler's A Body paint building
in DE, we had to avoid exposed silicone rubbers. One call to the district
designer in Detroit office and I knew what changes had to be made in some
trim
Hmm. If the business portion of the occupancy is incidental to the
residential use of the building, as in a cafeteria serving a dorm, then you
drag over the couple items of #13 that 13R references for areas outside the
dwelling units. If it's a restaurant serving the general public but located
in
-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:23 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Mixed occupancy
Hmm. If the business portion of the occupancy is incidental to the
residential use of the building, as in a cafeteria serving a dorm
Ok, ok- when we talk about Cx or Integrated Testing, I'll disclaim it
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:44 PM
To:
It's a stretch to think we're going to have self-closers on bathroom
doors.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:34 PM
To:
Swagelock in SS?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tom Duross
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:45 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: high pressure sensing lines
I have a hotel
SS threaded has a tendency to leak, IMHO
Didn't have that problem with swagelock couplings on 1/2 as you'd use for
HP sensing lines.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tom Duross
Sent:
I'd be careful to read the 2003 change to NFPA 20 where the committee was
concerned the PRV would not function properly.
We've done over a dozen of the PLD-equipped diesels, no big deal especially
since the large storage pumps have switched to Tier III and the PLD for ECM
is about to be
Just spent the weekend taking my TR6 out to play with other LBC's.
You haven't touched the tip of the iceberg of the common language that
separates us.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
FM has required control valves to be chained and locked for years- never
submitted anything.
One of our systems controlled a fire in a modular plant years ago, and
instead of turning the system off, they thought they did by turning off the
pump at the controller. Still had 55 PSI +/- from the
Potter TLS Tank Level Switch
Wire the low side only for atmospheric above-ground with vent
Wire both sides on buried, pressure or atmospheric
in case your next question is what to use for monitoring tank temperature,
and you're probably not if its near home, Potter TTS Tank Temp Switch.
George
What's not to like about a very predictable 3.5 seconds?
It's the secret to fast water delivery, get an earlier start.
We've installed several, on double-interlocked Preaction, tho, and they're
fast. New down-sized version coming if not already out.
glc
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PennBOC with presentations on residential
sprinklers in particular, and sprinkler systems in general, at their annual
convention.
Please reply off-forum or on CHAT
Thanks in advance,
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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Assuming CPVC weighs less than steel pipe, use values for steel and you're
safe. If you're near a head, make sure you're protecting against upward
movement if needed.
When we get into bar joist construction, we often switch to steel since
hanging issues often make it a better installation all
Grab the hanger, not the pipe. Another reason to have smooth edges on CPVC
hangers!
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:10 AM
To:
You're correct.
Also, a recessed escutcheon installed so that it is flush with the inner
ring removes the assembly from being a recessed sprinkler, since the def of
a recessed head is no longer met.
glc
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Singer was least expensive option for an 8 altitude valve we just
purchased, same idea, likely available with trim you need.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Friday, July
Absolutely. He's the one who is delaying the coordination drawings, his part
of which would be needed to fab and install the duct he's now hanging. He's
gone off and started his installation at his own risk, and you simply walk
into the coordination meeting with a blind eye toward that and
You could consider just throwing up a couple lengths of pipe alongside the
big openings on their trunk duct, amking sure you're the size of the opening
+ 6 away from it so you've accommodated the offsets they'd need to get
around you. Start with the openings just outside the meeting room.
A
I'm not positive but 2 yrs ago that 20' restriction was in place under our
applicable 2002 edition. Believe I just read something about the impending
FNM changes that kept the restriction.
glc
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Sprinklered.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:24 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Expect sprinkler battle to heat up on
I'll confirm Tyco is supporting the residential sprinkler mandate. There's a
couple of boxes of Rapid Response brochures here we'll be handing out at a
side-by-side burn at a local FD, they've offered to come attend it and
answer questions, and more. They've been supportive of uor educational
Mail: P.O. Box 69
Waverly, MN 55390
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
Waverly, MN 55390
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:53 PM
Pictures of the victims with names of the panel voters would be an excellent
newpaper ad to run in the capitol newspaper. Or on placards held walking a
vigil.
Did anyone mention the homebuilders profit by re-building?
glc
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in their faces since it is at least twice
the cost of installing sprinklers.
Roland
On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:46 AM, George Church wrote:
Did anyone mention the homebuilders profit by re-building?
glc
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Not once the plumbers highlighted the life-saving advantages of failing
solder joints.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg Schulze
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:01 AM
To:
As for skipping, you'd be required to use intermediate level sprinklers, or
head guards with umbrellas. Prevents cold-soldering from roof sprinklers.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom
. Just does seem that was the intent. Perhaps AHJ
should be consulted?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:44 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: open grate flooring
We are both on the same page. I guess I just can't swallow 1.9m sprinklers.
Thanks guys.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, July
Subject: RE: open grate flooring
Where do I sign?
Rod DiBona
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:47 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE
sq.ft.
Hope that makes it more palatable. ;P
Ryan Peterson
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:02 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE
Won't the government be furnishing home fire sprinklers to anyone making
less than $150,000/year as part of the We Take Care of Everything Thanks to
The Rich Folks initiative? Sprinklers, health care, clothing, bike trails,
housing, fitness centers.
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Could be there are obstruction issues? Easier to change heads than move
installed piping in occupied warehouse.
Not everyone seems to understand bridging, HVAC, joist clearances, etc.
despite the availability of FM's guidelines.
glc
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Or space the heads 8' x 8', calc to 15'x15', and tell them they need to keep
walls a minimum of 6 off the headsnice COR :)
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent:
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:52 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: free standing partitions
Or space the heads 8' x 8', calc to 15'x15', and tell them they need
I saw a WalMart renov in York where the 6 main was c-clamped to the bottom
wave of those bar joists that have Z purlin material instead of angle iron
as a bottom chord.
I moved over a few feet so as not to be walking underneath it. How can
anyone look at that and not raise a question?
glc
This was sent to more than one of us, looks like a simple case of too much
vic lube. Have a similar situation on a job the installer just finished in
Dec, before going under. Despite the manufacturer's rep stopping in at the
site, telling them not to lube the pre-lubed gaskets, they did. Now its
I'd never heard of the same year- it's enough of a challenge finding the
same head at all on older ones. Same K, sensitivity in QR or residential
would be prime characteristics to match.
glc
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It's too bad this wasn't located in San Diego and full of ALL old people, we
could have documented them as completely safe by a formerly well-respected
expert. Obviously this is the result that occurs, and it certainly is tragic
that we suffer these losses over and over and over again. Hopefully
will be removed with more bodies pushing. Far better than dragging bodies
out!
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of larryshulman
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:54 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Inspection Forms
Try
If you had a jockey pump and I'll assume a fire pump, why would you need an
excess pressure pump?
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Coastal
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:49 AM
To:
Along those lines, FM Global is being very articulate about their ROUNDING
being standard mathematical rounding, not NFPA #13 round UP, in # heads per
line in MRA.
Those who were at NFSA's convention might know that from attending a seminar
on FM proposed changes; not pushing NFSA, just the
If I confused you, we're even now.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:40 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: FM rounding and other
There's a lot of Preaction on coal conveyors. PWire detection usually.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Richard Carr
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:40 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
And it may not be a gravity system, don't know where you are but we run into
jobs located down the hill from a building we did and find less, not more
pressure due to a PRV waterco has installed.
Then there's pumping stations, so barring a system that's straight tank(s)
and gravity, anything can
Ok, I'll bite.
When you say two-hydrant flow test, you are talking about static and
residual erad at hydrant A, and flow from hydrant B?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby
McCullough
Sent:
Last summer we grouped up to four separately deeded apt buildings to a
common NFPA 20 fire pump. Got letters from an NFPA 20 and an NFPA 13
committee member in support of the concept. This overcame the City's
original objection.
The City DID require deed restrictions that negated a sale if the
I've had several of my own emails to Ken, our design manager, bounce before
making it 20 meters. Frustrating, IT is looking into it- odd, since some
others seem to go thru fine, but have also had trouble with a REPLY coming
back unrecognizable.(sigh).
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Can I apply that to an ESFR warehouse? We'd clean up- 200,000 SF per head?
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Dann
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:23 PM
To:
I'm a charter member of the BPFPTF. We spent 2 years meeting, discussing,
debating and trying to work with council to implement upgrades in code,
address crappy water infrastructure, etc. in the wake of two 4-story
historic bldgs burning down in 18 months. We had Nick Artim down from VT to
hold a
Due to an unanticipated delay in delivery of its 2009 convention brochure,
AFSA is extending the early bird registration deadline by one week to
Friday, July 17 to allow everyone ample opportunity to save! Also, be sure
to follow AFSA on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/afsa to save even more
Damien-
I'd highly recommend you:
1. Read James G's white paper Variables that affect the Performance of Dry
Pipe Systems at
http://www.tyco-fire.com/index.php?P=showid=DryPipeSystems_RevB=BK=archiv
e_news
2. Look into obtaining FDT calculation software to either prove your
systems' ability to
To address Mike's concern about trip time, the QRS switch is pretty
dependable- it samples the air pressure every .1 seconds and after enough
degradation is detected 3x in a row, it trips. We input 3.5 second trip time
even tho it would be a little less since it takes less than a .5 second to
trip
Slow to respond isn't so bad.
We've been having problems with not just SLOW to respond, we're having
NOOOooo response to loss of air pressure. On a freeze up last winter, one
didn't trip and that was sort of a good thing, avoided water damage.
But when a maintenance man watches my inspector let
Because if its not computer-generated output, it can't be right.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
SNIP
Time consuming but why do I need a
multi-thousand dollar program for a
Air miles
P r i c e l e s s
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Russell
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:51 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Earthquake Bracing
Thanks
I've attended AFSA, NFSA, NFPA and IFSA conventions/conferences. No regrets
at all on ANY of the $ investment made.
Was bidding a $5.5m unusual project, outside #13. Heard same building
erected in UK couple years earlier. Went to IFSA in Copenhagen. 3 weeks
later I had AutoCAD files of the
I'd agree NFPA was not the windfall associations generator that AFSA NFSA
were. And don't think that having 30 employees makes it easier to take off
without making up the work I do, have you seen what time I send emails out
regardless of convention or not?
Realize the AFSA convention is a bit of
I thought your wife was the engineer with lack of poetic license allowing
misspellings.
WagOner, Ken WagOner.
Ken, suggest a small pyro in the rentalcar in Oct should make a more lasting
impression on the Mt Man.
glc
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I'd have walked away from that scenario, if what was reported is anything
close to true. We don't install stuff cause the PE (plumbing engineer) said
it was right.
what moron would have a manual release in cell for deluge?
glc
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I'd agree that a quick phone call to the AHJ will determine if a mountain is
to be made of this molehill. 154 PSI flat curve cures a lot of ills.
glc
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Like in NY state at the group home recently, 4 dead, 1 yr old bldg. Attic,
not underfloor, but omission by incorrect standard selection, 13d not 13
with non-ambulatory residents.
glc
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Guess there's no storage in the building?
glc
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And even if its not because it meets the criteria for omission of
sprinklers, there's that nasty little 3,000 SF min MRA to deal with.
In a bid a week ago we included the heads below the floor cause it was
cheaper to sprinkler it than have a 3,000 sf MRA!
glc
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Yes, as a matter of fact we're doing a small addition to a dorm where the
existing building is designed to 13R for the two wings, 13 for the center
section housing Campus Security's office (incidental use if you stretch a
little), and a daycare (likely NOT for the college students at this ritzy
Actually, it likely is about to become Todd's call :)
And I just want to elaborate that the areas outside the dwelling unit are
designed to a handful (4?) of #13 criteria, but this is way different than
designing to #13 in its entirety. For example, 13R has no requirement for
hose streams. Neither
We abated a combo sensing line today from 1992, as we made some
modifications to the fire pump like placing an OSY on the suction side
where there was no control valve at all.
Don't laugh about classification of the space station like the code weenies
aren't contemplating it. It received some
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