Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] A little rant about LMS
Julf wrote: > The apps are already there, but I actually prefer the web interface. > That doesn't mean it can't be improved - on the top of my wish list is > improved handling of playlists. So I got my answer. There is a requirement of a improved Web-UI. Alright. So a new thread with some initial ideas should be started. But in lag of web-coding skills I'm not the right one to do this... alverus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62764 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104763 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] A little rant about LMS
alverus wrote: > My experience is, that exact this pseudo-apps often lag in functionality > and usability. > Also is it possible to implement the os specific style and user > experience in an native app. > Isn't it enough if the Web-UI is a fallback if nothing else works? I > mean the apps are already there... The apps are already there, but I actually prefer the web interface. That doesn't mean it can't be improved - on the top of my wish list is improved handling of playlists. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104763 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] A little rant about LMS
alverus wrote: > Do you really see a benefit of a new Web-UI in plot of effort? Since the > most people use controller-apps and for the LMS settings the old one > works great. I, for one, feel a web-based interface is the way to go. No need for a separate "app" for everything, and with HTML5 and modern web tools, the UI can be as good as with a separate app - but with the benefit of running on anything that supports a modern browser. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104763 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] A little rant about LMS
The reason for a web-UI is obvious for many reasons . The LMS server in many cases does not have screen and keyboard and is accessed from another machine via the web browser . And even if the server runs on computer with keyboard and monitor , you migh want to control with another computer on your network . Wonder if not a Windows tablet would run the web-UI fine ? Safari for iOS is not that good at it , it is a bit quirky . With only a volunteer workforce designing several new UI is a bit unrealistic :) Dragging from windows explorer won't work from another computer ... The server needs some artist, album menus etc hence its database . But you can't get a useful interface if you want to disregard all tagging and sorting efforts you need to do , it won't work . Some more effort on the music folder menu is perhaps a good way , but there will still be a need to appoint a music folder . Otherwise it would just be a mess . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104763 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] A little rant about LMS
MAlgol wrote: > I love my Squeezebox Classic, I've had it for about 8 years now and it > has worked flawlessly. Or I should say the hardware have (except that > time when the wireless stoped working and i had to remove it). > > The UI is old and not at all good I think. I like the one Spotify have > for its webplayer, columns where you just click and/or drag. As far as I > can tell LMS haven't change at all since I started using it while the > available tech have change alot. Is there no one developing the software > anymore? Is there alternative? Why sint it open source or somthing to > let others develop it or make alternativ server software? > > > MAlgol And to prove that your rant is just stupid follow the link: https://code.google.com/p/extgui4lms/ . You are just not able to look in the plugin-section of your LMS but crying around that the web-interface is so bad... Get your shit done... :mad: alverus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62764 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104763 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] A little rant about LMS
hi, mea culpa but a long text with many gnarf in it... MAlgol wrote: > WHy cant I just drag a song from a folder directly into LMS? I know its > possible to implement. > > The */added* -way you handle the -*\added* UI is old and.. I would agree to that. In my opinion the whole "folder" stuff is a oldish and why someone want to use the BMF is beyond me - there is a database behind lms so use it. I add track that i "found" when i do the search on the right front panel. I add a playlist right inside lms with no probs and save it just by a click of the left bottom and give that playlist a name. And the other stuff you packaged here is just the same*- i had a 2 second look - no deeper and just want to fool you with some longish text that i have no idea or waiting for a fish from you.-* Do your homework Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104763 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] A little rant about LMS
Ah, quick answers, some more civilized then others. alverus wrote: > > > > > The Reason for all of this is simple: Logitech has dumped the product a > > few years ago. > > But the LMS aka squeezebox-server is open source and has a API. How do > > you think that all the plugins work? > > > > True (I did know that believe it or not. =)). And I also know about > the API because of all the plugins, I should have express myself > differently. > > > > > > > Also there are a big amount of 3rd-party-controller-apps for android, > > IOS and also Win8.1 to 10. Using them will give you a smoove controlle > > of playlists and stuff. > > Don't get me wrong, but you didn't do your homework. > > > > I'm using windows 7 and an old Android phone so I use neither of them > for apps so there is a reason I don't know about the different apps. > > > > > > > Michael Herger is one of the last developers of the LMS who is original > > from Logitech and he works a lot to improve the system. With a great > > success. > > But one Point is right: The web-interface of the LMS is old but it runs > > acceptable on tiny hardware like an RaspberryPi or Odroid, because there > > is not much eye-candy. > > There is an alternative web-interface installable per plugin. It looks > > nice, but rocks the hell out of tiny, light-weight hardware. > > I think one of the reasons that the web-interface was never been touched > > is that the most users will controll the system via controller-app on a > > smartphone, tablet and/or since Win8.1 on their Computer. Implementing > > a all-new super glossy eye-candy web-interface will be much work for a > > really small benefit. It would be new and shiny, but low power hardware > > will suffer from that. Also I think its not the common use. > > > > I'm not an web developer or know anything about coding (and for a good > reason) so I don't know how intense a certain function would be on a > system, all i know is what I have tried myself and "web apps" like > Spotify works well on older computers atleast. > > > > > > > Always remember: This is now a open source project and will not longer > > need much customer or work as a capitalism product do. There will be > > many good improvements (also there were), but only if someone has the > > need to do it. > > But it's up to you. Get the docu and the source and build your own > > enlighted web-interface. > > Just a derpy rant won't change anything... > > > > Greetings > > Alverus> > > I dont have the knowledge to make my own enlighted web-interface. > Thats the reason I ask questions on forums. > And "derpy rant" have changes things before. =) > > - > > > mherger wrote: > > > The software I have all sorts of problem with, its outdated. I don't > > > mind the use of a browser for playing and making playlist and what > > not > > > but why not use the new technology thats around? Making a large > > playlist > > > now is a pain. I could make one in Foobar or something and then save > > and > > > update the playlist but why should I have too? WHy cant I just drag a > > > song from a folder directly into LMS? I know its possible to > > implement. > > > > No, you don't _know_ it is possible, you _assume_ it. > > > > > Yes I do assume its possible since I have seen similar solutions. > > > > > > > How would my server stream the files I drag from my computer to whatever > > > > interface? It can't, because my server is not allowed to access to my > > computer's files. > > > > > I don't know how it would do that. I don't know how it all works. If i > knew I would not have made this post. > > > > > > > > > > The UI is old and not at all good I think. I like the one Spotify > > have > > > for its webplayer, columns where you just click and/or drag. As far as > > I > > > can tell LMS haven't change at all since I started using it while the > > > available tech have change alot. Is there no one developing the > > software > > > anymore? Is there alternative? Why sint it open source or somthing to > > > let others develop it or make alternativ server software? > > > > Perfectly valid questions. I'm sure quite a few people are willing to > > pay a few bucks for a good UI. See eg. the various apps for smartphones > > > > and tablets. They prove it's technically possible to do a nice UI, and > > that it can sell. > > > > Get your hands dirty and let us know when you're done. > > > > I don't have any coding skills so I would not know how. And no, not > everyone can sit down and learn whats needed. > > > > > > > > > > All this have most certainly been brought up before or I would be > > > suprised. > > > > Oh, I see. You didn't even try to find answers to your questions? Fair > > enough: your subject contains the term "rant". > > > > > Why Logitech, why? > > > > Because they dropped the product several years ago. It's now up to you > > (the community) to improve things. > > >
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] A little rant about LMS
> I'm not sure about the fish but you sure know how to insult people. You > might find the interface to your liking but I don't. I don't like > clicking around on links to find the music I want. I like the overview > of looking in folders and draging what songs or albums I want in a list. > Thats why I have been using Foobar to make playlists. I don't like the > way you make playlist using the LMS webUI. And before you tell me to > search for alternative UIs I'm already working on it. On the first view it looks that you may share a room with some other user, thats just loaning about and didnt want a anwser to solve problems. These guys called trolls and they waiting for a fish. I know how to insult people? Who starts with that? Btw Is zune software open source cause of ms disnt sell the players anymore? Whats the difference between browsing in your windows exploider and using the browse mediafolder? Its just the same isnt it? Lms has a playlist builder aswell, may you didnt like it but lms never was a playlistbuilder it is a databased musikstreamer with some gimmicks. Do what you want rant about what you want and have a nice day. Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104763 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Adding to playlists
Have a look at the Playlist Manager von Phil Meyer. It "Provides functionality to add songs or albums to and chosen playlist." It's actually hosted by pippin. karlek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64321 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104768 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS and Mavericks not seeing players
We upgraded the OS on a Mac to Mavericks and now I cannot get SLM to see the player. The server starts and runs and I can operate the player via webremote and so on.. the server just can't see/find the players. Ideas? def90's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61713 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104771 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
