Re: [Standards] Should we move Nicks out of MIX-CORE?

2018-06-03 Thread Tedd Sterr
> However, I could move it out into a new MIX-NICK. What do people think? You could probably move channels into a separate XEP too, and messages, and nodes, and maybe a few other things. I think if you really try, you could probably get MIX up to at least 24 separate XEPs - that would be

Re: [Standards] Should we move Nicks out of MIX-CORE?

2018-06-03 Thread Daniel Gultsch
2018-06-03 18:22 GMT+02:00 Steve Kille : > My sense is that it is handy to have Nicks associated with channel > participants, to give a more compact display. Perhaps this reflects the UIs > I'm used to. It feels a pretty basic capability to me. My issue with nicks in non-anonymous group

Re: [Standards] Using route-able JIDs in MIX-CORE

2018-06-03 Thread Steve Kille
> -Original Message- > From: Standards On Behalf Of Florian > Schmaus > Sent: 03 June 2018 17:27 > To: XMPP Standards > Subject: Re: [Standards] Using route-able JIDs in MIX-CORE > > On 03.06.2018 18:01, Steve Kille wrote: > >>> That very much looks like that I would currently favour,

Re: [Standards] Using route-able JIDs in MIX-CORE

2018-06-03 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 03.06.2018 18:01, Steve Kille wrote: >>> That very much looks like that I would currently favour, besides that >>> I don't see a reason why we shouldn't also use the stable participant >>> identifier as the resourcepart of the originating address. >> >> Uh, and I slightly favour presence also

[Standards] Should we move Nicks out of MIX-CORE?

2018-06-03 Thread Steve Kille
> As far as I understood nicknames are already optional in current MIX. If > that's > the case, then it should be moved out of MIX-CORE. [Steve Kille] We do not fundamentally need Nicks to be in MIX-CORE. You can display participants by use of the JID. My sense is that it is handy

Re: [Standards] Another proposal - Handling JIDs for MIX-CORE, MIX-PRESENCE and MIX-PAM

2018-06-03 Thread Steve Kille
> Not to be confused with the stable participant identifier that you will get > upon > joining the MIX channel (of which I can't find an official term for). [Steve Kille] I'll sort this out with a round of editing, when the current conversation dies down Steve

[Standards] Per Channel Nicks vs Global Nicks

2018-06-03 Thread Steve Kille
Daniel, > -Original Message- > From: Standards On Behalf Of Daniel Gultsch > Sent: 03 June 2018 08:29 > To: XMPP Standards > Subject: Re: [Standards] Another proposal - Handling JIDs for MIX-CORE, MIX- > PRESENCE and MIX-PAM > > 2018-06-03 1:33 GMT+02:00 Steve Kille : > > (Nick and

[Standards] Using route-able JIDs in MIX-CORE

2018-06-03 Thread Steve Kille
Flo, > > That very much looks like that I would currently favour, besides that > > I don't see a reason why we shouldn't also use the stable participant > > identifier as the resourcepart of the originating address. > > Uh, and I slightly favour presence also from > >

Re: [Standards] Requirements for "Jid Hidden" Channels

2018-06-03 Thread Sam Whited
On Sat, Jun 2, 2018, at 18:22, Steve Kille wrote: > Would you do me a BIG favour, and do a review of the new slimmed down > 369 (MIX-CORE). I've worked to get this to a simpler and cleaner base. > I would be very interested to hear which aspects of this you still > believe to be too

[Standards] Group chat protocol

2018-06-03 Thread Ненахов Андрей
To whom it may concern, we're working on group chat solution for XMPP. It is quite a simple solution that we feel is good enough to counter most issues of XEP-0045. It is quite simple: - Group chat is listed in a roster, we use standard xmpp subscription to join-leave group chats -

Re: [Standards] Another proposal - Handling JIDs for MIX-CORE, MIX-PRESENCE and MIX-PAM

2018-06-03 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 03.06.2018 11:48, Florian Schmaus wrote: > On 03.06.2018 01:33, Steve Kille wrote: >> >> Sam's message made me realize that none of the variant 1/2/3/4 stuff is >> needed for MIX-CORE.There are some things that might be needed in >> MIX-ANON, but let's worry about these in the MIX-ANON spec

Re: [Standards] Another proposal - Handling JIDs for MIX-CORE, MIX-PRESENCE and MIX-PAM

2018-06-03 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 03.06.2018 01:33, Steve Kille wrote: > > Sam's message made me realize that none of the variant 1/2/3/4 stuff is > needed for MIX-CORE.There are some things that might be needed in > MIX-ANON, but let's worry about these in the MIX-ANON spec and keep them out > of MIX-CORE. > > In

Re: [Standards] Another proposal - Handling JIDs for MIX-CORE, MIX-PRESENCE and MIX-PAM

2018-06-03 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 03.06.2018 10:56, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > On Sonntag, 3. Juni 2018 09:29:13 CEST Daniel Gultsch wrote: >> 2018-06-03 1:33 GMT+02:00 Steve Kille : >>> (Nick and Bare JID). >> >> I’m just on my way home from a very productive and interesting meetup >> with designers and artists. And without

Re: [Standards] Another proposal - Handling JIDs for MIX-CORE, MIX-PRESENCE and MIX-PAM

2018-06-03 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Sonntag, 3. Juni 2018 01:33:12 CEST Steve Kille wrote: > Sam's message made me realize that none of the variant 1/2/3/4 stuff is > needed for MIX-CORE.There are some things that might be needed in > MIX-ANON, but let's worry about these in the MIX-ANON spec and keep them out > of MIX-CORE.

Re: [Standards] Another proposal - Handling JIDs for MIX-CORE, MIX-PRESENCE and MIX-PAM

2018-06-03 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Sonntag, 3. Juni 2018 09:29:13 CEST Daniel Gultsch wrote: > 2018-06-03 1:33 GMT+02:00 Steve Kille : > > (Nick and Bare JID). > > I’m just on my way home from a very productive and interesting meetup > with designers and artists. And without knowledge of the current MIX > debate - just by

Re: [Standards] Another proposal - Handling JIDs for MIX-CORE, MIX-PRESENCE and MIX-PAM

2018-06-03 Thread Daniel Gultsch
2018-06-03 1:33 GMT+02:00 Steve Kille : > (Nick and Bare JID). I’m just on my way home from a very productive and interesting meetup with designers and artists. And without knowledge of the current MIX debate - just by analyzing the way Conversations currently implements group chats / MUC -