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From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:34 PM
To: 'apachep2 '; ''Struts Users Mailing List' '
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Not sure about why all are ranting about this economy, but there are
more
than enough jobs a
On a side note related to contracting/consulting, do ya'll generally
attempt to get the "numbers" on the table when you deal with 3rd party
recruiting companies? Are you usually aware of what the recruiting
company is charging the firm you are working for? Do you feel (like I
do) that you hav
er of like
programming positions), not the IT sector as a whole. It's irrelevant and
even a bit gauche.
Chris
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From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:34 PM
To: 'apachep2 '; ''Struts Users Mailing List' '
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 14:07, Rick Reumann wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2003 13:44:52 -0500
> James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > Oh, well that must explain why I can't find a job in Atlanta. I'm not
> > qualifiedI see.
>
> I wasn't qualified for this one either James, don't feel bad...
1:49 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Atlanta's job market sucks... most of the jobs listed on Monster and
other
such boards have been there for ages, they aren't filled because the
employer isn't filling them, not due to a l
On 28 Mar 2003 13:44:52 -0500
James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, well that must explain why I can't find a job in Atlanta. I'm not
> qualifiedI see.
I wasn't qualified for this one either James, don't feel bad
STRUTS DEVELOPER NEEDED
REQUIRED SKILLS:
Struts, Java, C++,
That's another great fact:-)
Ilya
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From: Robert Leland
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: 3/28/03 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
FYI:
I have contracted twice once was for 4 months
full time at $100/hr. The other was as a consultant
at $1
March 28, 2003 1:45 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 13:34, Sterin, Ilya wrote:
> Not sure about why all are ranting about this economy, but there are more
> than enough jobs available in IT. It's qualifications what
explain why I can't find a job in Atlanta. I'm not
qualifiedI see.
>
> Ilya
>
> -Original Message-
> From: apachep2
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Sent: 3/28/03 7:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
>
> Have you
nding. I see seniors applying for an entry
level job.
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From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 28, 2003 9:04 AM
To: 'Andrew Hill '; 'Struts Users Mailing List '
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
I'm still not understandin
FYI:
I have contracted twice once was for 4 months
full time at $100/hr. The other was as a consultant
at $110/hr, which was only for about 20 hours.
This may be atypical, but a
business will charge another company,goverment,
for an regular employee that would be paid only 40%-50% of that,
so $40/
22:51
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Have you guys ever think of a situation, when a developer loses his job
for a while, he will take whatever contract it is and being paid
whatever the employer will offer? In this economy condition, suppl
.
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From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 28, 2003 9:04 AM
To: 'Andrew Hill '; 'Struts Users Mailing List '
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
I'm still not understanding why you are having problems believing those
rates?
Her
r, so if the burger flipper
was
smart, he or she would break a deal of $20/hour and call it a day:-)
Ilya
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From: Andrew Hill
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: 3/27/03 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Half right. :-)
I guess low is a distinctly re
ge-
From: Andrew Hill
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: 3/27/03 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Half right. :-)
I guess low is a distinctly relative term. Especially when comparing
apples & oranges (or salary & contract) ;->.
Rates here may be low compared
S that's an average developer contract salary, and $30/hour is a charge
that most contractors will laugh at here.
Ilya
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From: Andrew Hill
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: 3/27/03 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
These are USD per HOUR?
Crikey!
Ilya
-Original Message-
From: Sterin, Ilya
To: 'Alexandre Jaquet '; 'Struts Users Mailing List '
Sent: 3/27/03 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
But you are a student, there are many benefits to a company choosing a
developer that comes with years of de
ist
Sent: 3/27/03 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
or maybe he will get more job's than the others ...
less the rathing he's more client will came ...
I'm a student but I take lots of contracts from
clients who believe compagnies offer service so
expensive for t
t
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From: "Sterin, Ilya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Andrew Hill '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Struts Users
Mailing List '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract
loper contract salary, and $30/hour is a charge
that most contractors will laugh at here.
Ilya
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From: Andrew Hill
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: 3/27/03 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
These are USD per HOUR?
Crikey! You could retire after a coup
Sent: 3/27/03 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
These are USD per HOUR?
Crikey! You could retire after a couple of years on that!
Nah that cant be right. I did a bit under 3000 hours last year, multiply
by
30 and convert to local currency adds up to more than Ive earned in my
hursday, March 27, 2003 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Those are typical rates for the DC-Northern VA area
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From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:33 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Con
Price fixing wouldn't apply to one person. Courts be damned.
Tom Veldhouse
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From: "Tammy Cravit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:49
Are you on your own or with a company (third party consulting)? Remember
that you have to pay your own social security, insurance, travel costs and
other administrative maintenance. $75 might be a good place to start.
California expects a higher bill rate too, the cost of living in the Bay
area,
The senior architect (There can be only one!! ;-)
Try to tell our people that... :-)
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Those are typical rates for the DC-Northern VA area
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From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:33 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
These are USD per HOUR?
Crikey! You could retire
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Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
> Not a word of a lie Andy. The senior architect (There can be only one!!
;-)
> is on a little under 200K uk pounds, but note this is a *wage* not an
hourly
>
gt;
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
> These are USD per HOUR?
>
> Crikey! You could retire after a couple of years on that!
> Nah that cant be right. I did a bit under 3000 hours last year, multiply
by
> 30 and convert to l
ist'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
> I hope you know that my prior response that the lawyer should be fired was
> not aimed at you, Tammy. I appreciate your assistance. I think it is
> really f
ng!!
=]:0)
Good luck with the job, I hear California is nice this time of year!!
Cheers
Simon
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From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Struts
Users Mailing List'" <
I hope you know that my prior response that the lawyer should be fired was
not aimed at you, Tammy. I appreciate your assistance. I think it is
really funny, however, that a lawyer would actually associate what we are
doing with antitrust behavior. Heck, I feel bigger and better
now. LOL!
TED]>
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To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:49:31 -0800
> general landscape well (Tomcat, Struts, Ant, etc.,
Well, all depends, experience, quality, references, etc...
Also, a lot depends on the length of the project. For a short term, you can
charge about twice as much, where long term, they usually expect regular
employment rates
It's hard to estimate, also depends on who the client is. Larger c
I never thought we'd have lawyers telling use what we can and can't discuss
on *our* mailing list.
David
From: "Tammy Cravit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List&#
> general landscape well (Tomcat, Struts, Ant, etc., etc., with Linux,
> scripting, various databases, etc.). What would a reasonable request
> be? Thanks.
First of all, I would caution about asking questions like this on a
mailing list, as the discussion of hourly rates and stuff came up on
a
Sorry, James, you the man, Jeff. LOL. Thanks to both of you for your input.
At 09:12 PM 3/26/03 -0600, you wrote:
That seems pretty low to me...
On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 09:02 PM, James Mitchell wrote:
On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 21:28, Micael wrote:
I have been offered a contract job and a
You the man, James. Thanks.
At 10:02 PM 3/26/03 -0500, you wrote:
On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 21:28, Micael wrote:
> I have been offered a contract job and asked what I wanted per hour. I am
> in Washington state and the client (a web development company) is in
> California. I am an experienced Java
That seems pretty low to me...
On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 09:02 PM, James Mitchell wrote:
On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 21:28, Micael wrote:
I have been offered a contract job and asked what I wanted per hour.
I am
in Washington state and the client (a web development company) is in
California.
On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 21:28, Micael wrote:
> I have been offered a contract job and asked what I wanted per hour. I am
> in Washington state and the client (a web development company) is in
> California. I am an experienced Java (certified) programmer that knows the
> general landscape well (T
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