Re: [Sugar-devel] Current Sugar implementation on Android

2013-04-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On the negative side, gobject-introspection cross compilation still sounds like a mess https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592311 I worked on that code for a while at litl. Probably the best bet is to not try

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current Sugar implementation on Android

2013-04-16 Thread C. Scott Ananian
At the time, the android NDK was rather eccentric, which made cross-compilation needlessly difficult. And the GTK stack is very deep, there are a lot of dependencies. My understanding is that the NDK has been improved since then, and is a little more compatible. I wouldn't say speed is the main

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wikibrowse improvements.

2013-02-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
the changes. Gonzalo On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 5:25 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.orgwrote: I did quite a bit of work on the Wikipedia activity this weekend (related to an HTML port I was working on). I've pushed a set of patches to: https://github.com/cscott/wikiserver based

[Sugar-devel] Wikibrowse improvements.

2013-02-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I did quite a bit of work on the Wikipedia activity this weekend (related to an HTML port I was working on). I've pushed a set of patches to: https://github.com/cscott/wikiserver based on the latest version at ssh://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/wikiserver Full list of patches is at the end of

Re: [Sugar-devel] HTML activities

2013-01-31 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: * Both firefox and chrome extensions have good messaging mechanisms between content and extension that we could use. We would have the issue to turn a full browser into a chromeless sugar activity though. For what

Re: [Sugar-devel] HTML activities

2013-01-31 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Edward Mokurai Cherlin moku...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, January 30, 2013 4:26 pm, lio...@olpc-france.org wrote: * What we are doing here is still heavily experimental. I don't think we know exactly where we are going yet, just trying to find out. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] HTML activities

2013-01-30 Thread C. Scott Ananian
At the risk of diverting you guys from your good work, let me add a few related thoughts: 1) I think the core of this new API focus should be on the question: what are the essential parts of the Sugar experience? I would like these roughly as follows (you may have other ideas): a) the

Re: [Sugar-devel] HTML activities

2013-01-30 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Any reason to prefer Firefox over Webkit? Firefox/Android has made great strides recently, and is a much more friendly environment for building add-ons. Chrome Web Apps are rather limited in comparison (no full screen

Re: [Sugar-devel] Want to play with html activities?

2013-01-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, we are still at the very beginning but development is going fast. It would be awesome to have activity authors step in as soon as possible, so that we can add stuff as needed and get early feedback. If you want

Re: [Sugar-devel] Engadget post on XO Touch

2012-07-31 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Presumably with the standard multi-touch X support, which is landing in Linux all over. That's how the XO-3 worked, at least, although that was traditional capacitive touch; I don't think there's an actual Neonode driver in existence anywhere yet. --scott On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Bert

Re: [Sugar-devel] Just learned about Mistery Meat Navigation

2012-03-20 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: If you find non obvious icons, can report to try to improve. May be adults have problems with icons, but kids don't, just see a kid playing in any internet site. These icons become much more problematic on a touch

Re: [Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities

2011-12-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Michael Stone michael.r.st...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/13/11, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: I was playing with Sugar collaboration between my XO-1.75 and my crazy-nephew's XO-1.5 over the weekend.  We wanted to play together, but it was hard to find

[Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities

2011-12-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I was playing with Sugar collaboration between my XO-1.75 and my crazy-nephew's XO-1.5 over the weekend. We wanted to play together, but it was hard to find which activities would let us do so. What if we added a small badge (perhaps the ring of dots used to switch an activity from 'private' to

Re: [Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities

2011-12-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'm trying not to open the can of worms which is how should we best implement collaboration. In this thread, let's just concentrate on how do we discover collaborative activities when we're playing with our friends? --scott --                          ( http://cscott.net/ )

[Sugar-devel] public collaboration servers

2011-12-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Are any of the public collaboration servers still up? I worked my way pretty far down http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community_Jabber_servers without finding a server that would let me register. I am using an XO-1.75 build, so perhaps collaboration is just busted in this build? If someone could

Re: [Sugar-devel] Global text to speech

2011-11-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Click-to-translate would be very attractive as well. --scott On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net wrote: Hi, The OLE Nepal library on the school server includes wiktionary. However, I think the dictionary would have to be small enough to keep on the internal

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Just to reinforce a few points which maybe might not be clear to people who haven't played with the new hardware: 1) the switch point is set that *you cannot tell when we turn the backlight off*. Ie, the threshold is so high that by the time we turn it off, you couldn't never have told whether

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA cairo conversion

2011-11-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: Current version on the cscott-gtk3 branch works on GTK3.  Some functionality might be missing: I've just discovered a bug in the gir bindings

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA cairo conversion

2011-11-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: (1) Maybe release this version (cairo) and make 124 the gtk-3 rebased on your patches. This is probably worth doing. At the very least it will make it easier for testers to separate your bugs from mine. ;-) --scott

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA cairo conversion

2011-11-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'm rebased on top of mainline now, staged at the usual place. I'll continue working on getting the GTK3 functional while leaving GTK2 operation unchanged. --scott --       ( http://cscott.net ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA cairo conversion

2011-11-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: +1 I'll do some testing; I plan to make the next release based on this work. May as well get these bits into the field. I'm mostly just concerned that future patches base off the converted source and use the new

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA cairo conversion

2011-11-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thursday, November 10, 2011, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: +1 I'll do some testing; I plan to make the next release based on this work. May as well get these bits into the field. I'm mostly just

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA cairo conversion

2011-11-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:27 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: I keep rebasing based on your HEAD, we just need to choose one of those rebases and then continue development from that point.  I'll try to do

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA cairo conversion

2011-11-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I keep rebasing based on your HEAD, we just need to choose one of those rebases and then continue development from that point. I'll try to do another rebase tonight. --scott --       ( http://cscott.net ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA cairo conversion

2011-11-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I've been pushing my work to http://git.sugarlabs.org/~walter/turtleart/walters-gtk3/commits/cscotts-gtk3 I'll rebase to the latest cairo bits. (It might be best to continue working with HEAD of my branch, since it runs fine on gtk2 and will minimize unnecessary patch conflicts.) It's also a

Re: [Sugar-devel] how to force Sugar Activities to start fresh? (eg. XO OS 11.2.0 = Build 874)

2011-11-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Is there any way to start a new document once you're in the activity? --Scott On Saturday, November 5, 2011, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:23 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: G'day Adam, The holding down of the alt key in the activity view was

Re: [Sugar-devel] Read port to Gtk 3 status

2011-11-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: -    self._view.set_flags(gtk.CAN_DEFAULT | gtk.CAN_FOCUS) +    # TODO +    #self._view.set_flags(Gtk.CAN_DEFAULT | Gtk.CAN_FOCUS) This one I think I can help with. Try: self._view.set_can_focus(True)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Turtle Art cairo branch

2011-11-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: While there is still a bit of fine-tuning/optimizing to do, I think the basics are in place. We should coordinate our efforts in the gtk-2 - gtk-3 efforts. I'll start by rebasing my GTK3 changes on top of your

Re: [Sugar-devel] Cairo-ized activity performance

2011-11-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Walter -- is the source code for the cairo-ized version available? I made a decent start at GTK3-izing TurtleArt (http://git.sugarlabs.org/~cscott/turtleart/cscott-gtk3/commits/gtk3) and the missing piece is to replace a lot of GdkPixmap stuff with cairo calls. If that code is already written,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Moving to GTK3 and GObject Introspection

2011-08-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
The big change moving to GTK3 is gobject-introspection. I'm not aware of any plans to change how scripting language bindings are done in the future, so that part of the sugar port should be future-proof. Other things like removing hippo-canvas are also future-proof -- there's no chance that any

Re: [Sugar-devel] Moving to GTK3 and GObject Introspection

2011-08-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Sorry, I haven't read *all* of the linked documents, but... Congrats on getting a minimal GTK3 port running so quickly! That's very impressive. I'd originally thought that refactoring the Sugar API into more independent modules would be a necessary part of the effort, just to be able to do a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Moving to GTK3 and GObject Introspection

2011-08-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:11 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: I'd originally thought that refactoring the Sugar API into more independent modules would be a necessary part of the effort, just to be able to do

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse and the move to WebKit

2011-06-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 14 June 2011 21:35, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Would a skinned version of Firefox Mobile work for what is needed? No, as we need collaboration, journal access, etc. But (I didn't include this argument as I

Re: [Sugar-devel] cookie licker

2011-06-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
There's both a pattern and an anti-pattern here, and I saw both during my OLPC v1 days, circa 2008. There were certain features that we were assured had a brilliant and complicated design that was just waiting to be implemented and the implementer never got around to either documenting the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

2011-04-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:57 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:15 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: I've posted a four week plan for XO-3 software exploration at http://cananian.livejournal.com/62667.html Briefly: April 4-8: Android April 11

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://fsfe.org/projects/gplv3/europe-gplv3-conference.en.html http://fsfe.org/projects/gplv3/barcelona-rms-transcript.en.html see question 6b from this QA from the 3rd International GPLv3 Conference (Barcelona, June 22-23,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: By updating to the GPLv3, we make a clear political statement that commercial usage is ok, but our software must always remain free for users to use, study, share *and* modify. 1) I'm not interested in using Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:  -  What's the upside?  - At what point do we say hey, this has scant upside, and negative controversy around it, let's spend our time in productive things instead? This is the crux of my objection as well. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:45 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:  We're not retroactively re-licensing existing code. Really? By moving to GPLv3 your removing the ability to use GPLv2 which is by definition a re-license

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Q: Do we need to ask the permission of all copyright holders? A: No, we'll take advantage of the or any later version clause in the current license. We're not retroactively re-licensing existing code. This isn't

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Isn't this exactly what I wrote? No, you wrote: Q: How is the actual license change done? A: We need to replace the COPYING file in the source code and update the headers of all source files. This operation can easily

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: (Ironically, moving to GPLv3 is taking freedoms *away* from users of Sugar). Which freedoms are being taken away from the users of Sugar? You are taking away the right to distribute Sugar under the GPLv2. --scott

Re: [Sugar-devel] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

2011-04-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:15 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: I've posted a four week plan for XO-3 software exploration at http://cananian.livejournal.com/62667.html Briefly: April 4-8: Android Report on first week's work now at: http://cananian.livejournal.com/62756.html

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

2011-04-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: PCs and Linux machines yes. But... there still lots of issues with Macs and so far it does not work with the older G4 Power PC Macs (EToys

[Sugar-devel] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

2011-04-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I've posted a four week plan for XO-3 software exploration at http://cananian.livejournal.com/62667.html Briefly: April 4-8: Android April 11-15: Chrome/ChromeOS/NativeClient April 18-22: Get down dirty with mesh April 25-29: Pulling legacy Sugar codebase into the GTK3/g-o-i/touch-interface

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

2011-04-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: When can we look forward to a similar exploration of hardware topics? Hardware stuff is being discussed actively internally for XO-3. Unfortunately, I can't say anything specific about it yet. But I am pretty excited. As

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Record UI

2011-03-31 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: Please ensure that, in *audio* recording mode, any video display (including an oscilloscope-style display) does not cause glitches in the audio. (This was an apparent problem in earlier versions.) Of course, the surest

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar] Limit the nick name to be only 8 characters maximum #10737

2011-03-16 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Just in case people are wondering: this patch does only affect internal handling. The nick name that is visible in the UI (neighborhood view) is not affected by the limiting. It will be displayed in full length. And

Re: [Sugar-devel] FR: visual notification when too many activities are open

2011-03-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
What about just closing the excess activities? Why make the kids do more work? --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] FR: visual notification when too many activities are open

2011-03-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2011/3/8 Bastien b...@altern.org C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org writes: What about just closing the excess activities? Why make the kids do more work? Maybe with a warning first? Maybe for backwards-compatibility, but child-friendly activities should be able to save and close

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundle format

2010-11-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 10:53 -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote: (oh, and the .zip file already has a checksum, it's not clear why you'd need another one.) Ah, cool... but I guess it's not a cryptographically secure one

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:43 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: I'm suggesting that you work on reducing the time commitment, rather than dilute the responsibility. (Christoph's suggestion seems a useful step in that direction.) --scott --                          ( http

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: A committee-of-three with people like Gary, Martin, and Walter on it [...] [Another orthogonal issue:] I like and respect Gary, Martin, and Walter, and I think I'd have no trouble convincing them of any UI change I'd wish

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
[more thoughts, again apologies for not making these shorter] Failing a good candidate, I think do no harm should be the motto -- concentrate on the (many!) design-related tasks which *don't* involve making design decisions. Briefly: organizing/maintaining the specs, collecting/collating issues

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I've said all I need to say, time to hear from other people. We'll know we've been successful when the new updated version of the Sugar HIG comes out. Until then, I guess just keep on pounding that big red button at 6 month intervals. --scott --                          ( http://cscott.net/

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] New Sugar Web chat

2010-11-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: Also, not sure if https should dramatically increase amount of traffic, anyway could be check both instances:    http://chat.sugarlabs.org:9090/    https://chat.sugarlabs.org:9091/ It's not traffic, it's the number of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Random thoughts, not terribly connected: 1) agree with developers != designers. It's like developers != release managers. We developers can often play at being a designer (or a release manager), but we've got bad tendencies that sneak in, just because we know too much or know what's hard or

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
(apologies for not having the time to make these messages shorter) Another way of thinking of this problem might be as civics-style separation of powers. Given that the problem is (simplified) UX design compromised by developers (wrong target users, implementing the easiest thing, whatever) --

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Extending activity microformat spec to include optional olpc_activity_size

2010-11-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 07:23 +, Aleksey Lim wrote: You can try microformat ASLO updater from http://activities-testing.sugarlabs.org/services/micro-format.php?name=fructose Nice! I'm not sure about the size in

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Extending activity microformat spec to include optional olpc_activity_size

2010-11-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
(oh, and the .zip file already has a checksum, it's not clear why you'd need another one.) --scott --                          ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Heads up: dbus upstream planning to break sugar-jhbuild and sugar-emulator

2010-11-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
It just seems like sugar-jhbuild/sugar-emulator should have its own user, then. I bet Michael Stone could help you out there. --scott --                          ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Coding style: line continuations

2010-11-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
FWIW, I greatly prefer continuations of parentheses-enclosed expressions to be aligned with the start paren. Which also happens to be emacs' default, for Python as well as c-mode. gratuitous-use-of-religion What crazy editor are you using which doesn't support this? /gratuitous-use-of-religion

Re: [Sugar-devel] Coding style: line continuations

2010-11-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: In general I would do what the spec says if there is no good reason not to [1]. The example they have does not really handle all the cases, though. Neither pep8 nor pylint does favor any formatting. So I guess we are a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Adopt Updater to new activity version scheme

2010-11-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: I hope there's documentation on the wiki for activity authors. (Ideally at the level of detail of PEP386.)  There's certainly not source code documentation at any sufficient level of detail.  --scott This [1] will

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Adopt Updater to new activity version scheme

2010-11-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I hope there's documentation on the wiki for activity authors. (Ideally at the level of detail of PEP386.) There's certainly not source code documentation at any sufficient level of detail. --scott --                          ( http://cscott.net/ )

Re: [Sugar-devel] Appearance Customization

2010-11-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I don't think you need to do any studies about whether kids want to customize their computers. This has been a constant message from deployments since day 1. The first thing kids did with the very first XOs fielded was slap stickers all over them to customize them. Unfortunately, kids have no

Re: [Sugar-devel] Appearance Customization

2010-11-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'm not certain that editing the existing gtkrc will be sufficient (although it would certainly be a good start). As my history briefly explained, Sugar was not designed to be 'colored' in the sorts of ways a kid might want. (We might care whether the text/icons are easily readable; they might

Re: [Sugar-devel] Appearance Customization

2010-11-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Here's a mockup image using a blurred drop shadow for the icons and a simple wood texture desktop, yes it looks rather pretty, but it would consume perhaps 10% of memory on an XO-1, redraws and switching views would

Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal of dotted activity version number

2010-10-28 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: I have been giving the patches another go and made some smaller fixes for error handling. I have tested them as well to make sure there are no regressions. I give them my ok.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal of dotted activity version number

2010-10-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 4 October 2010 15:27, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: What do others think about this approach? Packagers? A clearer way to discuss this would be to just send a patch. That way there is no doubt over the details

Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal of dotted activity version number

2010-10-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Then I plan to ignore the customization when I  compute the order. So why is it there? b) use the debian version numbering system *exactly*.  It has been shown to work in the real world, and it is well documented.  The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal of dotted activity version number

2010-10-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Initially, I advocated strongly for something with the expresiveness of dpkg's versioning. However, that's wrong. We need to use a clear _subset_ of what dpkg, rpm, portage(... etc) can do, so the distro packager

Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal of dotted activity version number

2010-10-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
If you're going to use something other than simple integers, I suggest either: a) a string of dotted integers. You should *always* be able to subdivide a release if necessary. Strings like peru belong (in my opinion) in release notes or the name of the activity or anywhere else. They don't tell

Re: [Sugar-devel] code submitted for review should have been tested

2010-08-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Because of this specific commit, file transfers have been broken since early this year and it's obvious that this code wasn't tested at all: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/commits/11828796 Given

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: (3) even with the above resolved, we have arguably too little control over the home view, both in terns of what appears -- several requests have been made for the ability to have views of multiple collections: e.g.,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Any pattern will eventually run out of space. A space-filling curve (Peano curve) might be interesting. There is an orthogonal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Changing bundle_id and version scheme for Etoys

2010-07-28 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: There's no reason to have both a filename and a dbus-like name for the same thing. The former must already be unique on both distribution sites and in the Activities directory. I claim we should be using the dbus-like

Re: [Sugar-devel] Changing bundle_id and version scheme for Etoys

2010-07-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: The bundle base name (e.g Record) should be unique by itself, because you can't have two directories named Record.activity in your activities directory. This is, IMO, a bug. The directory should really be named after

Re: [Sugar-devel] Changing bundle_id and version scheme for Etoys

2010-07-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 18:21 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: This is a nicely decentralized mechanism for choosing identifiers which are guaranteed by construction never to conflict. It is indeed a simple and nice

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracking Vs Patch review

2010-07-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:27 AM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: patch review process and (b) loosing patches.  If a patch is a solution to a problem it is not necessary to discuss the problem and if it is the patch submitters responsibility to track the patch the need for a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracking Vs Patch review

2010-07-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:18 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: Is it preferable to worry about potentially alienating new members because their patches 'might' be ignored or is preferable to worry about the existing patches which deployments have written but have given up trying to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: NetworkManager used to call ntpdate when it setup a connection.  Was that an OLPC addition? Yes, although it's now present in litl's software builds as well. We figured out that the ntp package has never been present

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity packaging

2010-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 01:18:04AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Bernie wrote: On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 12:02 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: I think you are missing an important requirement: installation without

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with a virtual (onscreen) keyboard

2010-06-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta sayami...@gmail.com wrote: - Ideally something (Gnome I assume?) should trigger the keyboard overlay when you focus on a text field, perhaps with some hints about what the 'return' key behaviour should do (or expose a tab key as that is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Schoolserver icon

2010-06-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Tue, 29-06-2010 a las 02:49 +0100, Gary Martin escribió: Here's a few more misc. plays around school building shape. Maybe I'm being too

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Add ds2xos conversion script to export

2010-06-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: El Sat, 26-06-2010 a las 23:07 -0400, Michael Stone escribió:    * whose name is URL-encoded with spaces encoded as pluses Why pluses? Because they're nicer than %20 and python provides urllib.quote_plus? Can't we

Re: [Sugar-devel] A Tale of Sugar and Pippy

2010-06-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
It might also be worth thinking about how this would play out in Squeak/Etoys. See in particular: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Smalltalk_Development_on_XO#Submit_your_changes --scott attempting to learn from the community ps. as bert's doing the only multitouch work (that I know of) I've given

Re: [Sugar-devel] depending on introspection

2010-06-16 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I don't know about RH, but @ litl we're using all-introspected bindings w/ a distro based on Ubuntu Hardy. So backporting shouldn't be too painful, really. (Of course, we're not using the python introspection, so you might have other troubles there.) +1 on introspection in general. Hopefully

Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore rewrite

2010-06-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
As far as I know, you could use fuse-mounted olpcfs to store the journal files, and obtain this space savings (which is technically known as deduplication) with no extra effort. You could also store the files in git for the same effect. --scott On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Frederick Grose

Re: [Sugar-devel] music USB keyboard for Tamtam

2010-06-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: I'm looking for a musical keyboard device (black and white keys like on a piano) that plugs into USB on a XO and allows one to play music via TamTam. Does such a device exist? If so, pointers? Well, I don't know if any such

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2010-05-25

2010-05-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Ananian * added 189 comments to bugs. * closed 14 bugs. * reported 41 bugs. * gathered 12 points. --- eof --- --- Launchpad says: --- This is a summary of the Launchpad karma earned by C. Scott Ananian, organized by activity type. Bug Management 179 Total karma: 179

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Bobby Powers bobbypow...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote surf a while ago, and it was quite an easy port.  In fact, the demo browser for pywebkitgtk was (at least at one point) based on browse.  I did most of the work in a day and a half, but ran into problems with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: There are also gir bindings for webkit (in webkit's trunk), so it might be worth investigating their completeness, especially since pywebkitgtk seems to be unmaintained, as Sayamindu pointed out. I believe we use

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Sorry, Sascha, didn't mean for the attack to seem personal. And Martin, I'm not sure NetworkManager is really the right tool for your (server) job. NetworkManager's goal in life is dynamic roaming, not static setups. I'm not necessarily defending NM: lord knows I wish it had better docs and a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends

2010-04-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Monday, April 26, 2010, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 18:54 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: I am failing to resist responding to this troll. Dbus access from the command line is fairly good, and NM supports a number of static data files for configuration if that's

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Replying to quoted text is hard from my phone; bear with me. On Monday, April 26, 2010, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:54:13PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: and NM supports a number of static data files for configuration if that's what you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I am failing to resist responding to this troll. Dbus access from the command line is fairly good, and NM supports a number of static data files for configuration if that's what you want yo do. Fear not, scriptability of Unix systems is, if anything, *increasing*, as there are now powerful ways

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [GSoC] Sugar Browser

2010-03-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
FWIW, at litl we are switching from a xulrunner-based brower to a chromium-based browser. We are seeing a big performance improvement, plus it's making it easier for us to implement plugin isolation and better memory management (unloading pages which are not foregrounded, etc). YMMV, and it's

Re: [Sugar-devel] Test request: Wifi encryption changes...

2010-02-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Clear network settings does have other uses, even in the absence of bugs: you may want to remove a network from being autoselected, or remove a password for a home network before lending your device to someone. In the absence of a per-connection editor (like nm-applet has), clear network settings

Re: [Sugar-devel] Automatically Retrying an AP?

2010-02-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: I think I convinced myself that network manager was the right place to make the patch, because you want to reuse NM's list/order

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