Re: [Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities

2011-12-13 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 12/13/2011 01:37 PM, David Van Assche wrote: I've got a sort of halted project which I really want to make collaborative, but am unsure how to move forward and include... I guess I was asking for some pointers towards really good documentation to make this a reality. You might like

Re: [Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities

2011-12-13 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 12/13/2011 01:57 PM, David Van Assche wrote: Played with that, wasnt quite what I was looking for. It basically skins an app (lets say a gtk app) and makes it look like its a part of sugar... but it doesn't really gie u access to how the collaborative functions work... Uhh, nope. Maybe

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Add-view-source-for-sugar-toolkit

2011-08-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 08/23/2011 12:29 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: -self.sugar_toolkit_title_text = _('View Sugar toolkit source') +self.sugar_toolkit_title_text = _('View source: %r') % 'Sugar Toolkit' So 'Sugar Toolkit' is untranslateable? --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Article on Why files need to die

2011-07-15 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 07/15/2011 05:54 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Please also see this article (http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2011/06/08/new-pony/) which Tomeu Vizoso (one of the early Sugar developers) just shared on Google+, well worth a read! I see this movement, along with Gnome-3's work on tablet

Re: [Sugar-devel] copy files to/from server

2011-05-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 05/17/2011 03:42 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: How can XOs copy files to/from their Journal with a server? The simplest solution is probably HTTP. Set up a little local website with an upload/download form. Moodle, or even a generic CMS like Drupal or Wordpress, would work, but the very

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar, PyGTK and Threadings

2011-05-15 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 05/15/2011 01:01 PM, laurent bernabe wrote: in my application i'm developping using PyGTK, i want to use a separate Thread to do some stuffs on the application canvas To a first approximation, you should never use multiple threads in a PyGTK application. There is almost always an easier

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [PATCH sugar-toolkit] Insert activity root path in front of the reset of sys.path

2011-02-06 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 02/06/2011 09:39 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: In my mind, the situation when modules that come with activity have higher priority than system ones is more natural/predictable. I attempted to do the reverse with Watch Me. Watch Me includes binary python modules that are not installed by default in

Re: [Sugar-devel] customizing olpc-os-builder image

2010-11-02 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 11/02/2010 05:13 AM, javed khan wrote: can anybody tell me how to accomplish the following using olpc-os-builder 1: install new fonts 2: change the keyboard layout and default language 3: change the boot animation sugar-devel@ is not really the right mailing list for this question. You

Re: [Sugar-devel] Edit/audit wikipedia activity

2010-10-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 10/21/2010 12:06 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: Unfortunately, there is a clear need to organise a facility to audit/edit the wikipedia snapshots we have and repack the archive. Do we have any easy way to do this? I'm the wrong person to answer this question, but the activity's archive

Re: [Sugar-devel] Advice request: XO sound recording

2010-10-01 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 09/30/2010 06:33 PM, Art Hunkins wrote: The files also need to be renamed and placed in the FileMix.activity folder. Don't do this. Among other reasons, you shouldn't assume that the activity has write permissions to its .activity/ folder. There are a hundred other reasons why this is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Mesh networking not working in my XO's

2010-09-28 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 09/28/2010 08:53 AM, Harpreet Sareen wrote: Hi, I was discussing here about using Telepathy Framework with DBus bindings i.e collaboration on XO's using C#. If I am able to do that, will the solution be the same for Mesh networking and Ad-hoc networking Yes. The Telepathy interface works

Re: [Sugar-devel] #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.

2010-09-15 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 09/15/2010 10:48 AM, Anish Mangal wrote: Here's how it works. 0 memory free 100 0 cpu free 100 0 mem + cpu free = 67= unhappy 67 mem + cpu free = 133 = serious/normal 133 mem + cpu free = 200 = happy I don't think this is a good enough heuristic. 1. CPU

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should system mood really mean? (forked from #2141 UNSP: Memory and CPU status indicator for the frame.)

2010-09-15 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 09/15/2010 10:53 AM, Anish Mangal wrote: How about extending the meaning of 'system mood' to more than just the memory and cpu usage metrics. I think this is a great idea, and a good learning opportunity if we expose the units of measurement (watts, megabytes, etc.) + I'm almost out of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Feedback about ticket #10122

2010-09-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 09/10/2010 09:54 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: Hi Ben: I am trying to resolve the ticket http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10122 Can you review it? Could you test it in XO-1.5? I've been following the discussion, but I haven't looked at the patch yet. I've had a rather busy week. I can't easily

Re: [Sugar-devel] video conversion tools

2010-08-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 08/25/2010 10:44 PM, Sean Linton wrote: Can anyone comment on the best video conversion tools for Sugar, and how best to install them? If I understand correctly, you want to install a tool on your normal desktop computer than will convert videos to a format that is easily played by Sugar.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Browse-webkit] Changing its bundle_id

2010-07-22 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 07/22/2010 12:18 PM, Lucian Branescu wrote: In order to better test Browse-webkit, we'd need to package and distribute it. If it isn't heavily tested and known to work perfectly, definitely don't call it Browse, and definitely don't use the same icon. Browse is by far the #1 most important

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Browse-webkit] Changing its bundle_id

2010-07-22 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 07/22/2010 12:26 PM, Lucian Branescu wrote: If bobbyp agrees, I'll rebrand it to Surf until it gets merged to master. Would that be ok? I think that's a good solution. --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Missing Jacket

2010-07-11 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
El Tue, 06-07-2010 a las 07:32 -0400, Samuel Klein escribió: Bernie -- I meant to send this to you earlier -- you will be pleased to know that I got to know someone devoted to the demoscene when I was in Oxford the other week, and he is bound and determined now to get modern demos working

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity packaging

2010-07-06 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 07/06/2010 11:51 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Ok, I think the requirements for activity bundles could be: 1) Support multiple CPU architectures 2) Support multiple distros (and different versions of same distro) 3) Centralized build cluster (submit one source package, get multiple

Re: [Sugar-devel] MP3 to ogg converter

2010-06-26 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
I don't know why mp32ogg doesn't work for you, but there are other options. Maybe the easiest is to download the ffmpeg2theora executable: http://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/ffmpeg2theora-0.27.linux32.bin You'll have to use chmod +x to make it executable. ffmpeg2theora can produces audio or video.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Read PATCH] don't break if HAL is not available

2010-06-16 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 06/16/2010 06:22 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: +except dbus.DBusException: +pass It might be worth logging an explanation like NOTICE: Battery tray icon not displayed because HAL is not available. --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal Implementation Help

2010-06-15 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 06/15/2010 12:37 PM, Quoc-Bao Vuong wrote: * What is the proper way to write the write_file() and read_file() methods for a sugar activity. I've seen two ways (using metadata and writing/reading into files), but I'm not sure what works best for this type of situation. Either way is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Displaying the current status of system resources (such as memory, cpu)

2010-06-15 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 06/15/2010 05:48 PM, Anish Mangal wrote: Sugar presently lacks a means to display the current status of system resources such as free memory, CPU load, etc. I'd like form an opinion as to what should be the ideal way to make these numbers available to the user. That's a great question!

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hypothetical sugar-0.90 material, draft 1.

2010-06-12 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 06/12/2010 10:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Besides, the assumption that VCS-style deltas will work well with the binary files stored by most Sugar activities is... wishful at best. It is one thing to say that we need a new datastore, and another to say what the new datastore should look

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hypothetical sugar-0.90 material, draft 1.

2010-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 06/10/2010 11:48 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: - 0install and Vala are controversial, risky and not focussed on pressing end-users' needs. Yes there are some benefits and potential to both (otherwise Aleksey would not be working on them! :-) ) but they also break lots of toys. In my view,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Enhancements to Pippy UI

2010-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Looks good to me, though I haven't tested it. A comment on if not self.initiating, to explain the intent, might be nice. --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] stopwatch activity

2010-04-27 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Sameer Verma wrote: I noticed something interesting with he stopwatch activity on the XO 1.5 C2 with build 120. When the XO goes into suspend, the clock stops display, but upon resume, will show actual time elapsed (clock keep counting). Mark also works correctly,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Remove the keep button from the default activity toolbar

2010-04-22 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sascha Silbe wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 07:35:44PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: The Activity toolbar with the Journal entry title, sharing, - Keep and Stop buttons + and Stop button Nitpick: please remove the comma after sharing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma In

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sur] nuevos idiomas

2010-04-08 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Kevin Mauricio Benavides Castro wrote: Hola como estan a todos los de la lista actualmente se entregaran XO en las dos regiones autónomas de Nicaragua la cual el lenguaje natal de ellos es miskito la cual me gustaría saber la forma de integrar este lenguaje a Sugar Mas información

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC 2010: Speech Recognition in Sugar

2010-04-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
I think your proposal is very interesting. It contains a number of different ideas. One major division is between Voice Commands and Speech Recognition. Each of these contains many other possibilities. My biggest suggestion is to specify further which possibilities you want to work on. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Paul Fox wrote: now: in the new scheme, the idle sequence has changed: after a fairly brief period of inactivity, the system will suspend, leaving the screen on. (the user may not even know this has happened.) assuming there is still no keyboard activity, a little

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC] Sugar Browser

2010-03-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Lucian Branescu wrote: I am inclined to choose the second for a few reasons. First, current webkit is much faster and uses less memory than current gecko, which has been especially visible on XOs. I'm not willing to accept this as proven. As for faster, see

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hi; GSoC?

2010-03-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Isaac Dupree wrote: I wonder if this Zero/Sugar project could use some GSOC support, or if there are more useful/important things to work on? I think 0install+Sugar integration would be a very valuable project. The Sugar Labs Oversight Board recently approved a statement that Sugar needs a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] multiple IM accounts

2010-03-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: But if someone has good ideas about how to expose contacts from mutiple accounts, here is the thread. I think there are lots of interesting ways to do that. For example, Bitfrost specifies that each user is identified by a cryptographic public key. To certify that an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Oversight Board request: Not fully bundled .xo

2010-03-04 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Aleksey Lim wrote: * the major issue here that ASLO is not particalr deployment oriented portal, e.g. in OLPC case, mentioned issue is mostly means nothing since OLPC can effectively add/remove any component they think is useful for their users I don't understand this claim. ASLO is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Oversight Board request: Not fully bundled .xo

2010-03-04 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Aleksey Lim wrote: what ASLO is, in my mind it was deployment agnostic thus if we have packages for 0.84 on bunch of distros, ASLO activities that are stated 0.84 ready should just run. I agree. OLPC needs this as badly as anyone. OLPC already supports users on a mix of Fedora 9- and Fedora

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Oversight Board request: Not fully bundled .xo

2010-03-04 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: My only concern is that 0install seems to be itself another prototype packaging format, with plenty of crucial features still missing. For example, Aleksey was telling me last week that people build binaries on their personal desktops because there's not yet a real

Re: [Sugar-devel] universal reference to datastore objects

2010-03-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Walter Bender wrote: This topic comes up now and again (e.g., http://cscott.net/Publications/OLPC/ufrgs-talk.pdf). I raised it in the context of wanted to create SVG files with embedded image data. Yep, we've had this discussion many times. My first was April 2007:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] multiple IM accounts

2010-03-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: as part of the effort to make Sugar a more normal Telepathy client, Sugar should become able to deal with more than one IM account active concurrently. I think this is a good goal, but it creates some incredibly tricky UI/interaction problems. I think an important first

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] webcam images and control

2010-02-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 03:39:26PM +0100, Emmanuel Di Folco wrote: I would like to be able to : - control the gain or integration time of the camera (mode Photo, not video) in order not to saturate (this is obviously feasible, since the images taken during the day are

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] webcam images and control

2010-02-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Jonathan Corbet wrote: All of the standard parameters are controllable through the normal V4L2 interface; that includes gain, saturation, etc. It all works. Fantastic; thank you. That sounds like big progress since the last time I looked at this ... two years ago. I guess it's time to take

Re: [Sugar-devel] Video Chat, Video Editing and VOIP activities for Sugar

2010-02-12 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Manusheel Gupta wrote: Dear friends, 6 developers working at SEETA http://seeta.in will be spearheading the design and development of video chat, video editing and VOIP activities in Sugar starting Feb. 15. Great! 1. Video Chat - Pidgin (http://www.pidgin.im/) 3. VOIP activity - Shtoom

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] 'Resume' vs 'Start a new' Activity

2010-01-07 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Simon Schampijer wrote: When they resume a previous activity, and they wanted to start a new one, I have seen learners erasing the previous content and keep on working in that activity. This is the purpose of resume-by-default. The idea arose in response to feedback from Uruguay, where

Re: [Sugar-devel] New Activity

2010-01-06 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Mark DeMayo wrote: I am in the olpc class at RIT and I was looking for some feedback on an idea that I had for an activity. Here is a link to my wiki which includes an example of the activity. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thank you. I think it's great. Three points: 1. Users probably

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [POLL] collab.sugarlabs.org

2010-01-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Aleksey Lim wrote: So, the question is should we have special place to treat such issues in convenient and casual developer/requester friendly manner. -1 1. Fragmentation is bad. We should instead attempt to unify our development sites under an interface that is both friendly to novices and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [POLL] collab.sugarlabs.org

2010-01-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Aleksey Lim wrote: collab.sl.o shouldn't be development site but central point there devs, users, doers, educators meet. Thus it shouldn't dublicate sites like wiki/track/etc. What do you mean by meet? Are you proposing to run a forum? (We already have http://en.forum.laptop.org/) --Ben

Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Enhanced Gettext

2010-01-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: This feature would add a sugar.gettext module, which, if used by activities, will search an alternative path (configurable via GConf) for translations before looking into the activity directory (where the translations present in the original release bundle exist.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Enhanced Gettext

2010-01-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: This feature would add a sugar.gettext module, which, if used by activities, will search an alternative path (configurable via GConf) for translations before looking into the activity directory (where the translations present

Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Enhanced Gettext

2010-01-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: This feature would add a sugar.gettext module, which, if used by activities, will search an alternative path (configurable

Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Enhanced Gettext

2010-01-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: What I'm looking for is some sort of fallback mechanism in gettext, which would look for .mo files in the custom location first, and then in the usual location (as supplied to, say bindtextdomain()) I'm inclined to provide fallback by having Sugar synthesize a new

Re: [Sugar-devel] Star Chart Activity

2009-12-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Castelo wrote: Hi! In Uruguay we use Star Chart (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/StarChart) and the director of the astronomical observatory of Montevideo have some ideas to improve the activity. Speaking with the Autor (davewa) we found that our improves are in the roadmap of activity.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release StopWatch-4

2009-12-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
James Cameron wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:24:51AM -0500, Sugar Labs Activities wrote: Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4263 ASLO doesn't say ... but is there a git repo for this code and how are contributions handled? Thanks for the reminder. I just added in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Future of Zero Sugar

2009-12-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Aleksey Lim wrote: So, I have strong intension to switching development focus from core team, which develops sucrose - glucose(core) and fructose(some core activities) to wide range of developers/doers thus some kind of decentralization of development process. I agree. I think this has been

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to enable activities

2009-12-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 14.12.2009, at 15:57, Walter Bender wrote: Did you check to see if they are in the List View (a opposed to the Circle View)? IMHO a small but really helpful interface addition would be binding F3 in home view to switch between List view and regular view. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Scrollbar width

2009-12-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Eben Eliason wrote: I think that retaining the functionality via some other mapping or shortcut would be nice (especially to offer the functionality as designed on the XO hardware itself), but I don't see reason not to improve the usability of Sugar on all platforms by increasing the

Re: [Sugar-devel] adding 3G devices support to sugar

2009-12-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Eben Eliason wrote: I'd be happy to sketch some icons. This is not so easy. Users care about whether a connection is wired or wireless. They care about how fast and reliable it is. They care about who they can talk to on it. They care about how much it costs to use. They don't care whether

Re: [Sugar-devel] sharing question

2009-11-30 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Walter Bender wrote: I want to be able to let people join in two different ways: as a cooperator or as a competitor. ... is there any mechanism in your recent work that would support this? I haven't attempted to code anything of this sort, but if I were building such an activity from

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Versioning - Dotted Scheme

2009-11-30 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Aleksey Lim wrote: +1, but maybe use activity_release(or so) instead of dotted_activity_version, the full version in 0.88+ will be activity_version.activity_release? The standard term is minor version number, so minor_version seems appropriate. --Ben

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sharing in Terminal

2009-11-16 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: Hello, While going through Ben Schwartz's Shared Term feature proposal discussion page (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Features/Terminal_Sharing), I started to wonder if we could somehow implement readonly mode for sharing in the Terminal activity. After a

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...

2009-11-04 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly antiquated sugar presence now ... If you play with a major component replacement - test it for scalability stability over wifi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Mesh

2009-11-04 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Cecilia Abalde wrote: I think I understood salut ytelepathy gabble telepathy. My question now is: to salut telepathy works there must be some established network? for example a mesh network or a wifi network Yes. All of the Telepathy protocols require that there be a working local network

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Other activities that support some form of collaboration like Chat, Browse, Etoys, TurtleArt, Arithmetic, Maze, Pippy, etc, etc, don't care who started the activity first, or who goes away. Are

[Sugar-devel] XO-2 canceled, replaced by XO-1.75 and XO-3.0

2009-11-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
The ever entertaining Prof. Negroponte surpasses all expectations in his latest performance: http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/02/negroponte-outlines-the-future-of-olpc-hints-at-paperlike-design-for-third-generation-laptop/ The usual OLPCNews analysis at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Terminal.xo patch: do not die if the cwd is gone

2009-11-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Martin Langhoff wrote: use GNU Screen! :-) -- now that would be something: GNU Screen integrated with xterm. Not to toot my own horn, but GNU Screen + OpenSSH + Terminal.xo = ShareTerm : http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-May/014165.html Doesn't help you with persistence,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Error in watchme client side

2009-10-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Dave Bauer wrote: I am testing watchme. I am consistently getting an error in the client ImportError: libgnutls.so.13: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Tested on soas-strawberry. The server part is not reporting any errors in the logs. I believe the problem

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Zeroinstall and Sugar packages

2009-10-20 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sascha Silbe wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:42:32PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: 0compile, combined with Zeroinstall's support for source bundles, enables us (1) to approach true platform-independence and (2) to provide users the opportunity to modify the source code of a package

[Sugar-devel] On Zeroinstall and Sugar packages

2009-10-19 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
I have long argued that the only way to achieve reasonably bundle behavior in Sugar is to restrict ourselves exclusively to carefully selected interpreters. After speaking with the Zeroinstall developers, especially Thomas Leonard, I have changed my mind. Zeroinstall's tools and design are

Re: [Sugar-devel] friendview.py

2009-10-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Tim McNamara wrote: Naturally, people will probably want to click on that question mark. Would we be able to have a dialogue like Search for activity %s? % name, which if accepted opens up Browse and searches http://activities.sugarlabs.org to download it? That would be about ten times better

Re: [Sugar-devel] friendview.py

2009-10-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Wade Brainerd wrote: Yeah, P2P activity sharing would be awesome. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/Activity_Bundles says Activities are meant to be shared between children. If a child doesn't have the activity, it is automatically transfered to the child when he or she

Re: [Sugar-devel] Mesh

2009-10-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Cecilia Abalde wrote: Hi, I have read a lots of documents which explains what kind of packages the mesh has got, for example, beacon, probe response, probe request, the ones for discovery the path. But i can't join all this information and understand how one XO can see another XO in its

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Michael Stone wrote: In the circle view, I'd like to see the layout algorithm expanded to lay out arcs of smaller option icons each with the same prelighting and saturation behavior as partial halos around the exterior perimeter of the activity icons. It took me a while to get this, but now

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Mentor request for PyDebug Activity

2009-10-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
From: George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com I'm very excited to hear about this project, and I hope you'll keep us updated with your progress. Anything that makes Sugar a better self-hosting development environment is tremendously valuable for us. At this point I'm debating whether to substitute

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Questions: 1) are there lighter-weight alternatives for the most popular uses of numpy? No. It has no competition, and is used by virtually every program that uses python and performs array manipulation. I think it would probably be part of the python standard

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: I seem to recall several Python apps moving from numpy to numarray in the past, so it should be doable. I strongly suspect you are backwards. Numarray is the deprecated predecessor to numpy. http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/numarray/numarray.html

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 15:37, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I presume there's a defined amount of people on this panel. When and where is the chosen panel announced? It's being discussed right now in the SLOBS meeting in #sugar-meeting. Oops. I seem to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: 4. Sharing of activities between hugely varying systems: The only real solution to this that I have seen proposed is for *all* activities to switch to some kind of cross-platform VM platform (e.g. Java) ... I feel that the one available solution is not realistic or

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Michael Stone wrote: Consequently, I want to make using activities more like web pages. That's why I work on rainbow and on networking design. ... In my opinion, ideally, they click a URL and the software they clicked runs most of the time. They don't care what version is underneath. If

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Michael Stone wrote: As for interpreters -- I absolutely agree that they should be chosen carefully. I just think that the interpreter that we choose carefully should be the one that prepares to run a program (e.g. by fetching and installing it, or by caching it, etc) rather than the one

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: What could be achieved with the .xo bundles that couldn't be achieved with an rpm? Let's not talk about .xo. .xo is just the JAR bundle format. What can you do with JAR that you can't do with RPM? 1. Produce them easily on any platform. 2. Tell the unpacked manifest

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 19:13 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: 1. Produce them easily on any platform. At OLPC, I head this argument made many times, but it's moot: (1) one could create a bundle on Windows, but not test it. I'm not thinking about Windows

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: The use cases that work now would continue to work with any package format. That's definitely not true. One option (the one I thought you were advocating) is to make Activities just like any other software installed by the distribution package manager. That means

[Sugar-devel] Activity bundle format (was Re: Long-term support for Sugar)

2009-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: A fixed platform with infinite backwards compatibility is a dream even for an interpreted language. Java. Right now, we're just closing our eyes pretending that we are immune from the dependency problems and that the .xo package format will suffice. Do you really

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Either we declare that there exists only One True Sugar Distribution running on One True Hardware Platform -- which is exactly the opposite of expanding the base for Sugar -- or we accept the increased complexity that comes from a real multiplatform scenario. Or, we

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity bundle format (was Re: Long-term support for Sugar)

2009-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Wed, 23-09-2009 a las 14:03 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: Bernie Innocenti wrote: A fixed platform with infinite backwards compatibility is a dream even for an interpreted language. Java. Java is just a marketing lie ;-) The official JVM did not even

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: It's still too restrictive for external developers who would like to do more ambitious things, like Karma and Physics. Those would have to come and beg us to approve their dependencies. Karma is HTML+Javascript, for which we have an approved interpreter on the list, so

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: I for one had hoped that the utterly painful performance problems with Sugar were a price we were paying for total cross-platform compatibility though Python. I'm having my innocence crushed as I follow this thread... We would do well to clarify this. For the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-22 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Why would we care to have concurrent versions of the same activity for different user accounts? Our computing model is inherently single-user. LTSP. NFS

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Why would we care to have concurrent versions of the same activity for different user accounts? Our computing model is inherently single-user. LTSP. NFS with shared clients. Our computing model is not just OLPC. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: How does, for instance, Gimp manage to work perfectly on *all* Linux distributions? And how do all the other 19K packages in my distro manage to find *exactly* all the dynamic libraries they need when they are installed? By having distinct packages built separately

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-20 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Philippe Clérié wrote: I don't quite understand this decision panel stuff. Is a different decision panel elected every time there is an undecided issue at hand? Or do we elect one group that remains in place for all unanswered questions, present and future? I sympathize since I'm also a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Mel Chua wrote: Friendly. Is there a one-stop shop I can go to where my problems will be fixed immediately? ... Consistent. ... And the support experience needs to be consistent. As explained above, teachers need to know that no matter what their problem is, if they spend 2 minutes

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Peter Robinson wrote: 2009/9/16 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: 1) You need a product to market. The comparison with Gnome does not hold. There have always been distributions that made Gnome their official desktop environment, even very early on. That is not the case for Sugar. Whether in

Re: [Sugar-devel] directly browsing compressed content in the datastore

2009-09-07 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
S Page wrote: I sent Viewing compressed content using jar: protocol in Browse ! a while back, no one cared :-) To repeat, the XULRunner engine can directly browse files in JAR and ZIP archives using Sun's jar: protocol. Regardless, I've been playing with it some more in 8.2.1. Cool. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem rejoining a shared Write

2009-09-06 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
J.M. Maurer wrote: While testing with salut, I now seem to be running into sugar bugs: 1. Start an activity 2. Join the activity 3. Close the activity on the initiator side 4. Click on the activity from the donut on the initiator side to rejoin it Could you clarify step 4? Why didn't you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem rejoining a shared Write

2009-09-06 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
J.M. Maurer wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 10:09 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: J.M. Maurer wrote: While testing with salut, I now seem to be running into sugar bugs: 1. Start an activity 2. Join the activity 3. Close the activity on the initiator side 4. Click on the activity from

Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86

2009-09-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I also think that improving the default texts will improve greatly this issue. Anybody wants to tackle it? Maybe for a reduced number of activities at first? Ah, but what should it say? How about Change this title to a description of this Write Document!? signature.asc

Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86

2009-09-05 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Gary C Martin wrote: How about Change this title to a description of this Write Document!? Drawbacks, are that many will still choose to not edit the name, and Journal will fill with this junk text when ever they don't bother (I usually only edit a name if I think the content is of future

Re: [Sugar-devel] query

2009-09-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
deepanshu arora wrote: yes Benjamin..u are right. I am trying to make an interface that would allow users to edit programmable tools while inside paint. OK. I think that's a great idea, and it should not be too hard to implement. You will need to provide a GUI for editing, but this is easy

Re: [Sugar-devel] query

2009-09-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
deepanshu arora wrote: Is their any way that in paint activity only, a tab(button) should be inserted I think this is the right idea. You should be able to click on a tab or button that changes the view from the image to a text editor. This is not hard to do using Activity.set_canvas(), and

Re: [Sugar-devel] query

2009-09-02 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
deepanshu arora wrote: But i need copy_to_journal.py script for the same which m not able to access(and cant find it on internet). Please help me for the same. Also please comment on the approach. This is not a very good approach. I can't offer very good advice, because I don't know exactly

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