[Sugar-devel] native HTML activity

2013-11-07 Thread NoiseEHC
Hi! Just to prove that it can be done, I have hacked a little bit more on the native HTML activity which can be found here: https://github.com/NoiseEHC/sugar-webkit-native I tried to create virtual pages by using WebKit1's or Soap's url rewriting callbacks but it turns out that no matter

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-22 Thread NoiseEHC
://github.com/NoiseEHC/sugar-webkit-native It requires a yum install webkitgtk3-devel to be able to compile, unfortunately my XO-1.75 says that there are no more mirrors to try for mesa and libdrm dependencies so I could not try it under an ARM XO... (I did try it some time ago however it just stopped

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-22 Thread NoiseEHC
I have put the ?latest? sources here: https://github.com/NoiseEHC/sugar-webkit-native It requires a yum install webkitgtk3-devel to be able to compile, unfortunately my XO-1.75 says that there are no more mirrors to try for mesa and libdrm dependencies so I could not try it under an ARM XO

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-22 Thread NoiseEHC
On 22/10/2013 21:21, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: So that was my $0.02. Obviously it can be too late to change plans but who knows. I have uploaded the source anyway so you can use it if you want. What I really don't understand is, if is all that easy why not be involved and help?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-09 Thread NoiseEHC
On 07/10/2013 18:41, David Farning wrote: Activity Central supports the recent HTML5 + JS work that is going into sugar .100. It has the potential to take the OLPC vision to any device which runs a browser while simultaneously *increasing* the potential activity *developer* *pool* by several

Re: [Sugar-devel] somebody deleted gst-plugins-espeak from github?

2013-07-02 Thread NoiseEHC
Hi! build worked as it pulled all repos. I thought that it is a connection problem because some days ago there was a connection problem. I just wanted to archive sugar-build just after pulling all the stuff as I really did not want to download ~450 megs again and again as I try different

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse and the move to WebKit

2011-06-22 Thread NoiseEHC
The biggest finding that came from outside this thread is that if Browse is to move to pygi to access webkit, the Sugar python bits that it uses must also be gtk3/pygi. No mixing with pygtk2 is possible. So we have a prerequisite on sugar (or at least parts of it?) being moved to gtk3/pygi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse and the move to WebKit

2011-06-22 Thread NoiseEHC
Unless you are proposing that all of Sugar moves to C as a base; that may have its merits but is a separate discussion, and not one I'm going to get involved with. Feel free to start a new thread / Feature page. I am not proposing anything. I just showed an option that no one considered. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [AC Update] We are what we do.

2011-03-30 Thread NoiseEHC
About pane has a psychological effect, it provides recognition and maybe a sense of ownership for developers and mantainers. I will propose it on sugar-devel and the HIG once I've implemented a design. Also it gives a starting point for eventually getting involved in the development and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home button in browse - toolbar images

2010-10-19 Thread NoiseEHC
You could just make the new tab show the home url by default. On 2010.10.19. 6:15, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 03:01 +0100, Gary Martin wrote: Alternatively, the new tab button could become a small plus on the tab bar, which could be made visible at all times. For how long

Re: [Sugar-devel] Killing activities when memory gets short

2010-08-10 Thread NoiseEHC
We used to do that, the problem is that we don't control our platform as Google controls Android and you need to make sure that resources that need to be specific of each child process aren't shared (dbus and X connections, etc). I'm personally more interested in reducing the amount of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Killing activities when memory gets short

2010-08-09 Thread NoiseEHC
Sugar has a similar mechanism. From the Low-level Activity API docs: org.laptop.Activity.SetActive(b: active) Activate or passivate an activity. This is sent when switching activities, there is only one active activity at a time, all others are passive. A passive activity must immediately

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep confusion -- round N+1

2010-06-24 Thread NoiseEHC
After making tests [1] in deployments for start new vs. resume we concluded that the way activity starting works on the iPhone would probably work well in Sugar, too [2]. Hehe, this is exactly the thing you would get with per-activity datastores. Guess what, Android does this too. :)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hypothetical sugar-0.90 material, draft 1.

2010-06-12 Thread NoiseEHC
Besides, the assumption that VCS-style deltas will work well with the binary files stored by most Sugar activities is... wishful at best. A design working in real-world scenarios would probably require ad-hoc deltifiers for each file format, making it very complex, slow and fragile.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hypothetical sugar-0.90 material, draft 1.

2010-06-10 Thread NoiseEHC
It seems that I cannot stop myself killing some kittens: As I see the problem is that the DS wants to solve a lot of problems in a general way. I think that this is simply impossible. A lot of companies tried to create some general storage abstraction other that files, but all of them failed

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hypothetical sugar-0.90 material, draft 1.

2010-06-10 Thread NoiseEHC
You are not explaining why this will happen, so this point is moot. The reason is that it seems that it is impossible to do. I just extrapolated historical data. So we're indexing the data automatically, but we still don't have a datastore? Please explain how that would work. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-30 Thread NoiseEHC
Okay, a little holiday happened with me and then had to read through 100+ olpc emails and then realized that there is a spam filter on my email which blocked sugar emails since july so it took some time to catch up but here I am... :) Martin Langhoff wrote: 2009/8/19 NoiseEHC noise

Re: [Sugar-devel] Candidate paper cut bugs for a new 8.2.x release?

2009-08-30 Thread NoiseEHC
Hi! I do not know what was the conclusion about this _completely hypothetical_ case but does fixing the Geode VGA driver match the paper cut criteria? Since I am porting (very slowly since 2 months ago I did not know anything at all about the Linux boot process for example) Android to the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-19 Thread NoiseEHC
- Automatic assessment is snake oil, Bryan is well intentioned but deeply wrong. See the earlier email at http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05584.html Or you are wrong. Since you did not define exactly what you have meant by assessment in your message, I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Karma IRC meeting - August 11

2009-08-10 Thread NoiseEHC
Hi! It could be a little bit off topic and can be totally irrelevant because of the difference between education systems, but have you considered a possibility to generate lesson plans, examples and questions from a wiki? I mean that it is a lot of work to create a coherent lesson structure

Re: [Sugar-devel] Karma IRC meeting - August 11

2009-08-10 Thread NoiseEHC
Mmm, I'm not sure how realistic it is for people to be interested in providing that kind of data... But I could be wrong. When I was visiting my elementary school there was a biology teacher who took teaching biology very seriously. Computer technology was in its infancy at that time so he

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Read 71

2009-08-08 Thread NoiseEHC
So accessing the frame in ebook mode - is probably not something you do in your ebook workflow (at least on an olpc without touchpad support). Correct - and dedicating a frame button on the tablet mode is probably something I would not do (we don't have too many buttons accessible in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Karma's Chakra - 2 views on lessons

2009-08-05 Thread NoiseEHC
Exactly what is the problem that this solution wants to solve? I mean that is not the teacher who selects from the lessons depending on her personal lesson plan? (Of course we could provide a default lesson plan but in the end it is up to the teacher what she wants to teach and in what order.)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-07-29 Thread NoiseEHC
In June I was talking with the headmaster of a school which does education research. There are two things from that discussion that seems relevant for this question: 1. Karma could measure the time it takes to finish a task in a compound exercise. If it is statistically relevant then it could

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-07-29 Thread NoiseEHC
ps: I intend to use Karma for interactive curriculum development for reasons Bryan Berry talked about a lot. Awesome! How can we involve you more? is it time to for us to open a mailing list specific to karma? like sugar-ka...@l.s.o ? u can find christoph, myself, and the ole nepal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Book bundles and Read

2009-07-25 Thread NoiseEHC
A possible solution for 2. The catalog file should be a .html file with file:// links to the USB drive. If the kid opens the .html file in Browse and clicks on the link then it will be copied to the Journal and opened in Read. The .html file can have pictures. The only criterium is that the

Re: [Sugar-devel] need a better name for starting page of karma than MenuStage

2009-07-21 Thread NoiseEHC
Could you please name those items in English? I suggest this because probably Karma is one of the most important things from an educational viewpoint because it will allow developing curriculum in a totally open way. I mean it will allow teachers to avoid locking teaching materials even into

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-15

2009-06-16 Thread NoiseEHC
I think you do not get what is so special with Android. 1. They killed the braindamaged X driver model and put the driver where it belongs, the kernel. Just like Windows NT and OS-X already did. Finally it is fast and really supports hardware acceleration! Did I mention that it has redraw

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-15

2009-06-15 Thread NoiseEHC
Technologically the phone and the computer are quickly converging. They are just coming at the problem from different points of view. Phones focus on power consumption and size. Netbooks focus on screen size and general use computing. If the new ARM technology is as good inside devices as

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-15

2009-06-15 Thread NoiseEHC
My major concern against porting to Android is that Java is a horrible language, even with the nice Android libs. Google have said that they will add more languages, though. Yes, java sucks. IMHO it does not matter though since mostly activities consists of 1000 lines of code. A more

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-15

2009-06-15 Thread NoiseEHC
There is a project doing a bit of that, http://code.google.com/p/jythonroid/ Jython just got a new compiler though, it should be possible to retarget it. Google seems to love Python, maybe they will help? Perhaps OLPC could get them to at least say whether they're working on it?

Re: [Sugar-devel] cool animation w/ all-javascript space invaders

2009-06-05 Thread NoiseEHC
Bryan Berry wrote: http://static.boundvariable.com/space-invaders/ does most of the animation that we need using raphaeljs, which uses svg and not canvas http://www.raphaeljs.com Have you tried it on an XO? I just had this experience. Seems to me that we will not do animation with js

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread NoiseEHC
There are 3 different ideas when we are talking about Journal vs Directories: 1. Whether we are limiting the user to use exactly one filtering category for his/her documents (and lets call them Files and the filter the Files' Directory) or we allow multiple filters (and call them Tags). 2.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES

2009-05-25 Thread NoiseEHC
I hope this anwers your question, Simon Unfortunately it does not. What I wanted to know whether I will be able to use the latest Sugar on my XO-1 ever. It boots the kernel with 802 so it is a working Linux distribution. If somehow I copy the latest Sugar over the old Sugar (0.82 I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Announcing Snapshot 2009/05/24

2009-05-25 Thread NoiseEHC
I have tried the appliance image on VirtualBox. On the registration form it crashed with some python? error (will look the exact error if it is not a well known bug). It could be caused that I clicked more than once to the Next button. After that I only have an Automatic login user to choose

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES

2009-05-22 Thread NoiseEHC
Are there any plans to port Sugar to the XO-1 or will it be the job of OLPC so it will be effectively abandoned? Simon Schampijer wrote: Attendees: Tomeu, Aleksey, Walter, Sayamindu, Simon Retrospect: We have been brainstorming on the Goals of the 0.86 release. The Output can be seen at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-21 Thread NoiseEHC
Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/20/09 23:29, NoiseEHC wrote: When I tried jhbuild what I found strange that it does not detect the Linux distro so I had to manually enter commands as it was specified on the wiki. Can we get rid of that? (I have no idea how to detect the distro or how

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-21 Thread NoiseEHC
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:40, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On 05/20/09 23:29, NoiseEHC wrote: When I tried jhbuild what I found strange that it does not detect the Linux distro so I had to manually enter commands as it was specified on the wiki. Can

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-20 Thread NoiseEHC
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Today I've kick-started a newbie on building Sugar to fix a small bug and submit his first patch. It was just painful. jhbuild has plenty of rough corners and we could easily make things easier with a few changes: 1) Stop checking out random unstable versions of

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] 3D engine uses in a no-nonsense GUI (was: XO Gen 1.5)

2009-04-22 Thread NoiseEHC
I think most of those effects can be just as easily be done by the 2D engine (like what the Geode has). Of course it would need a LOT of coding, like killing the stupid X driver model with the X server process, using a compositing windows manager, rewriting GTK+ to use some form of retained

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] 3D engine uses in a no-nonsense GUI (was: XO Gen 1.5)

2009-04-22 Thread NoiseEHC
Actually, GNOME 3.0 is moving into that direction (requiring OpenGL): http://lwn.net/Articles/327845/ Hehe, seems like that I have just invented Clutter... :) More seriously, it seems that Sugar just runs ahead of Gnome and reinvents almost everything which will be created by Gnome people

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-17 Thread NoiseEHC
Every help on the UI side welcome. What I do not get is why there is that navigation bar under the toolbar? It consumes a lot of space and has just that one button which was on the toolbar before. (I just checked the last SoaS image so it appeared in 0.84 I guess). Also the old layout shows a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Idea for SOC

2009-03-24 Thread NoiseEHC
suited for that UI I guess. The main problem could have been that probably they had to use Mesa3D and it provides approximately 1-2 frame/sec speed as my test showed. You should ask them how that stuff turned out. Some people (like NoiseEHC) have discussed writing a fast, simple 3D library

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for GSoC project

2009-03-18 Thread NoiseEHC
Hehe, the mentioned activity spreads the myth that elephants cannot swim. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpD40ewOyC4 Bryan Berry wrote: The GSoC mentee could recreate one of OLE Nepal's existing flash activity with javascript + html5. You can access some of our flash activities here: