Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
Alt-Ctrl-Backspace is supposed to make X stop, not restart. It's the XO that has a bug. (an ill-considered "feature") If you screw up your laptop such that X dies or hangs at start-up, the current XO behavior will cause you pain. You'll find yourself in a restart loop, unable to repair or debug the problem. Without a developer key, the only way out is a full data-losing reinstall. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
2009/10/13 Art Hunkins : > I was mistaken about this. Both SoaS (yes, Strawberry) and the XO-1 act > identically: downloaded activities register immediately; *copied* activities > (from a USB stick) require a restart to register. I'm not seeing this on XO-1. I plug a USB disk in, go to the journal, click the USB icon, then drag-and-drop the activity I want to install onto the journal icon in the bottom left. The activity is then immediately available from the home screen. Are you using a different process? Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 19:41, Art Hunkins wrote: > I see; yes, facilitating for children is certainly the #1 priority. > > I gather you are talking about removing Restart from the user drop-down > menu. > > I also assume that this does *not* apply to the CTRL/ALT/BKSPACE shortcut. > If such is the case, I'll repeat my request that CTRL/ALT/BKSPACE be made to > work on SoaS, as it does on the XO-1. > > If this request is appropriate, I'll happily enter a bug report. (I'll be > out of town for 5 days and will check my mail for a reply when I return.) This was a change that applies to Fedora so it trickled down to SoaS. If you think this should be active by default for all users of SoaS you need to enter a ticket for SoaS (it has nothing to do with Sugar). Regards, Tomeu > Art Hunkins > > - Original Message - From: "Tomeu Vizoso" > To: "Art Hunkins" > Cc: "James Cameron" ; > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on > XO icon incomplete > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 19:02, Art Hunkins wrote: >> >> I was mistaken about this. Both SoaS (yes, Strawberry) and the XO-1 act >> identically: downloaded activities register immediately; *copied* >> activities >> (from a USB stick) require a restart to register. > > Btw, from 0.86 on you won't need to restart in that case, the > Activities dir is monitored and new activities placed there are picked > up. > >> As I stated previously, restarts (by whatever method) work fine on the >> XO-1. >> >> With SoaS Strawberry, restart from the (old) user menu worked fine; the >> CONTROL + ALT + BACKSPACE method crashes. I'd sure appreciate at least >> *one* >> SoaS option that works. > > If you search in the archives you will see that it was removed because > it was causing problems to children. We appreciate each of our users, > even more the ones that help us test and improve Sugar, but if we have > to chose, we need to optimize the experience for children. > > Regards, > > Tomeu > >> Art Hunkins >> >> - Original Message - From: "Tomeu Vizoso" >> To: "James Cameron" >> Cc: "Art Hunkins" ; >> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on >> XO icon incomplete >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:15, James Cameron wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:27:21PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: >>>> >>>> IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading >>>> Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's >>>> one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the >>>> list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new >>>> Activities to appear. >>>> >>>> It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this >>>> regard. >>> >>> I agree. I'm afraid I don't yet know the code well enough to figure out >>> why it happens. I suggest you raise a bug against SoaS to have new >>> activities registered immediately without a reboot. >> >> There should be no difference in this regard, can someone verify if >> this is happening? >> >> Also, when you say SoaS, you mean Strawberry, right? >> >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu >> >> -- >> «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. >> What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David >> Farning >> > > > > -- > «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David > Farning > -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
I see; yes, facilitating for children is certainly the #1 priority. I gather you are talking about removing Restart from the user drop-down menu. I also assume that this does *not* apply to the CTRL/ALT/BKSPACE shortcut. If such is the case, I'll repeat my request that CTRL/ALT/BKSPACE be made to work on SoaS, as it does on the XO-1. If this request is appropriate, I'll happily enter a bug report. (I'll be out of town for 5 days and will check my mail for a reply when I return.) Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: "Tomeu Vizoso" To: "Art Hunkins" Cc: "James Cameron" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 19:02, Art Hunkins wrote: > I was mistaken about this. Both SoaS (yes, Strawberry) and the XO-1 act > identically: downloaded activities register immediately; *copied* > activities > (from a USB stick) require a restart to register. Btw, from 0.86 on you won't need to restart in that case, the Activities dir is monitored and new activities placed there are picked up. > As I stated previously, restarts (by whatever method) work fine on the > XO-1. > > With SoaS Strawberry, restart from the (old) user menu worked fine; the > CONTROL + ALT + BACKSPACE method crashes. I'd sure appreciate at least > *one* > SoaS option that works. If you search in the archives you will see that it was removed because it was causing problems to children. We appreciate each of our users, even more the ones that help us test and improve Sugar, but if we have to chose, we need to optimize the experience for children. Regards, Tomeu > Art Hunkins > > - Original Message - From: "Tomeu Vizoso" > To: "James Cameron" > Cc: "Art Hunkins" ; > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on > XO icon incomplete > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:15, James Cameron wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:27:21PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: >>> >>> IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading >>> Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's >>> one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the >>> list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new >>> Activities to appear. >>> >>> It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this >>> regard. >> >> I agree. I'm afraid I don't yet know the code well enough to figure out >> why it happens. I suggest you raise a bug against SoaS to have new >> activities registered immediately without a reboot. > > There should be no difference in this regard, can someone verify if > this is happening? > > Also, when you say SoaS, you mean Strawberry, right? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > -- > «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David > Farning > -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 19:02, Art Hunkins wrote: > I was mistaken about this. Both SoaS (yes, Strawberry) and the XO-1 act > identically: downloaded activities register immediately; *copied* activities > (from a USB stick) require a restart to register. Btw, from 0.86 on you won't need to restart in that case, the Activities dir is monitored and new activities placed there are picked up. > As I stated previously, restarts (by whatever method) work fine on the XO-1. > > With SoaS Strawberry, restart from the (old) user menu worked fine; the > CONTROL + ALT + BACKSPACE method crashes. I'd sure appreciate at least *one* > SoaS option that works. If you search in the archives you will see that it was removed because it was causing problems to children. We appreciate each of our users, even more the ones that help us test and improve Sugar, but if we have to chose, we need to optimize the experience for children. Regards, Tomeu > Art Hunkins > > - Original Message - From: "Tomeu Vizoso" > To: "James Cameron" > Cc: "Art Hunkins" ; > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on > XO icon incomplete > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:15, James Cameron wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:27:21PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: >>> >>> IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading >>> Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's >>> one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the >>> list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new >>> Activities to appear. >>> >>> It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this >>> regard. >> >> I agree. I'm afraid I don't yet know the code well enough to figure out >> why it happens. I suggest you raise a bug against SoaS to have new >> activities registered immediately without a reboot. > > There should be no difference in this regard, can someone verify if > this is happening? > > Also, when you say SoaS, you mean Strawberry, right? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > -- > «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David > Farning > -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
I was mistaken about this. Both SoaS (yes, Strawberry) and the XO-1 act identically: downloaded activities register immediately; *copied* activities (from a USB stick) require a restart to register. As I stated previously, restarts (by whatever method) work fine on the XO-1. With SoaS Strawberry, restart from the (old) user menu worked fine; the CONTROL + ALT + BACKSPACE method crashes. I'd sure appreciate at least *one* SoaS option that works. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: "Tomeu Vizoso" To: "James Cameron" Cc: "Art Hunkins" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:15, James Cameron wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:27:21PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: >> IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading >> Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's >> one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the >> list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new >> Activities to appear. >> >> It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this >> regard. > > I agree. I'm afraid I don't yet know the code well enough to figure out > why it happens. I suggest you raise a bug against SoaS to have new > activities registered immediately without a reboot. There should be no difference in this regard, can someone verify if this is happening? Also, when you say SoaS, you mean Strawberry, right? Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:15, James Cameron wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:27:21PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: >> IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading >> Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's >> one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the >> list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new >> Activities to appear. >> >> It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this >> regard. > > I agree. I'm afraid I don't yet know the code well enough to figure out > why it happens. I suggest you raise a bug against SoaS to have new > activities registered immediately without a reboot. There should be no difference in this regard, can someone verify if this is happening? Also, when you say SoaS, you mean Strawberry, right? Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:27:21PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: > IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading > Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's > one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the > list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new > Activities to appear. > > It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this > regard. I agree. I'm afraid I don't yet know the code well enough to figure out why it happens. I suggest you raise a bug against SoaS to have new activities registered immediately without a reboot. > And, yes, the X-server indeed seems to terminate (via error - > several messages sometimes appear on the screen) differently on SoaS > from on the XO-1. Would again be helpful to address. Unless there's a need for a restartable X server, I don't think this needs to be fixed. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
Sorry; apparently I just completely missed the discussion (possibly just didn't catch what was being discussed). IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new Activities to appear. It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this regard. And, yes, the X-server indeed seems to terminate (via error - several messages sometimes appear on the screen) differently on SoaS from on the XO-1. Would again be helpful to address. FWIW, Soas Strawberry does not reboot on the XO-1 either (you are left with a blank screen). Incidentally, all my SoaS work is done with an actual USB stick created with the Live USB Creator Fedora utility (on my Windows XP machine) following download of an SoaS .iso file - usually Strawberry. I try to keep it simple. I don't really know which, if any, of the behaviors I'm observing qualify as "bugs", and I certainly don't want to bother you Sugar developers with frivilous complaints - or simply things I'm confused about. If there are any real bugs or feature requests here that should be made/reported, just let me know. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: "James Cameron" To: "Art Hunkins" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:15:16PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: >> As the reporter of the above "bug", and with regard to (1) below: I'm >> very disappointed that the Restart option has been dropped. > > As the author of the patch to drop it ... this was done as part a fix to > bug #1206. > >> It would be helpful, I think, for feedback to be solicited on this >> list (and possibly others) before *features are removed* and not >> replaced by something comparable. > > Feedback was solicited ... there was discussion. > > You mention that you used this function when importing activities ... > what does importing activites mean? This wasn't something I considered > when I removed the option. Perhaps Sugar needs a way to notice an > imported activity instead of restart. > > If the Control/Alt/Backspace workaround doesn't work for you, perhaps that > is a problem that could be addressed. From your followup posting it > seems SoaS responds to termination of X server in a different way than > does the XO builds. > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:15:16PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: > As the reporter of the above "bug", and with regard to (1) below: I'm > very disappointed that the Restart option has been dropped. As the author of the patch to drop it ... this was done as part a fix to bug #1206. > It would be helpful, I think, for feedback to be solicited on this > list (and possibly others) before *features are removed* and not > replaced by something comparable. Feedback was solicited ... there was discussion. You mention that you used this function when importing activities ... what does importing activites mean? This wasn't something I considered when I removed the option. Perhaps Sugar needs a way to notice an imported activity instead of restart. If the Control/Alt/Backspace workaround doesn't work for you, perhaps that is a problem that could be addressed. From your followup posting it seems SoaS responds to termination of X server in a different way than does the XO builds. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:15, Art Hunkins wrote: > I've used > it when importing Activities (reboot is necessary to show the new Activity > on the Activity List) > FWIW, you can simply restart X via either: CTRL+ALT+Backspace or ALT+SYSREQ+B (Alt+PrtScr+B) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
As the reporter of the above "bug", and with regard to (1) below: I'm very disappointed that the Restart option has been dropped. With SoaS, I've used it when importing Activities (reboot is necessary to show the new Activity on the Activity List), and when needing to reboot into Windows (which happens all the time). In both cases, reboot saves considerable time over shutdown. It would be helpful, I think, for feedback to be solicited on this list (and possibly others) before *features are removed* and not replaced by something comparable. Then again, perhaps this issue pertains uniquely to SoaS rather than Sugar generally. If so, might not the SoaS implementation of Sugar appropriately be unique in some respects? With regard to (2), I wish I could test on more recent snapshots, but have been unable to successfully build such sticks using the Fedora "Stick-Builder" and SoaS3 .iso's. (Could the XO menu problem [and it is/was real] perhaps be related to differing monitor resolutions?) Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: "Sebastian Dziallas" To: Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete That has actually been a design decision made by the Sugar Team for the 0.86 release, so (1) intentional. I can't reproduce (2) here with the latest snapshots. I'm closing this for now, please feel free to reopen it or ask on-list. ** Changed in: soas Status: New => Won't Fix -- Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422302 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Sugar on a Stick: Won't Fix Bug description: SoaS-2-beta: the drop-down menu for the user (XO) icon is incomplete. 1) It lacks the Restart option (I use this all the time); 2) When the icon is right-clicked, in addition, a good portion of the Shutdown option is obscured. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
