date:20050919

>Thanks for the heads up

>I ended up trashing that ancient version of freenet, and went for the
>latest release instead.

>I've started it up, and already things seem to be closer to a desired
>outcome, so I'll be patient.

>Also, I received this message, as seen below this line. Should I be
>concerned about it?

>$ os.arch = ppc

>INFO: Native BigInteger library jbigi not loaded, reason: 'Dont know
>jbigi library name for os type 'Mac OS X'' - using pure java


>Anyway, I seem to be getting somewhere, ie, 'caveat lector'


>Regards.

>Bruce

That just means you don't have the optional native math libraries
installed.  Freenet will work fine without them.  I don't think it is
very easy to get those installed either so I wouldn't bother.

Happy freenetting!

P.S.  The current node build is 5105, make sure you are running that.

[freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 07:37:27PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
> Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
> 
> >My understanding is that the french crypto regulations were abandoned
> >some time ago.
> 
> That law is just a project (no decree yet). For the moment, we're still
> limited to 128b.

That's bizarre. Nobody can actually break 128 bit AES at the moment, as
far as we know - why have an upper limit that can't be broken anyway?
> 
> >Make your own darknet. :)
> >Then come to Bristol, take me out for a pizza, and I'll connect to your
> >node ;). Seriously, there needs to be some sort of relationship for the
> >small world properties to hold, but beyond that it's not such a big
> >deal.
> 
> Some of us think about it but I see 2 problems to that :
> - We don't know each others and can't trust one not to be part of DST
> (our MI-5) or SNEP (our RIAA). So we can't reasonably reveal our real
> identities.

It depends on how paranoid you are. While it is possible that somebody
is a mole, infiltrating networks like that is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more
expensive than just harvesting the opennet. Infiltrating social networks
via actual social connections is seriously expensive.

> - If we do that, newcommers will be completely alone and we won't be
> able to guide them or invite them into the darknet.
> 
> OK for the pizza as long as it has cheese on it ;-)
> 
> >>I'm affraid that if this fonctionnality isn't enabled in Freenet, people
> >>will do it by other ways (internet forums, mailing-lists, weak encrypted
> >>emails, etc.) which are way less secure than Freenet. Or worse, some
> >>will decide to publish their keys and allow anyone to connect to the
> >>darknet through them...
> >>
> >>
> >
> >In which case there will be weak segments of the darknet. That does not
> >undermine the whole structure. The mainstreamers can still use the
> >opennet. I expect there to be some cross-recruiting. But the intention
> >is for the darknet to be separate from the opennet. People who happen to
> >be on both can migrate content manually. They can also get to know
> >people on the opennet, and perhaps add them later. I first met Ian after
> >having worked for him for around a year; I have a friend in Australia who
> >I've never met but I would be perfectly happy to connect my node to. But
> >at this stage, I would happily connect to Newsbyte. Or CofE if I knew
> >him, but I obviously wouldn't want him to breach his carefully guarded
> >anonymity just for that. :)
> >
> 
> Mmm, well. Let's wait and see how that will work. Middle 2006, it'll be
> clearer...
> 
> Thanks for your answers.
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[freenet-support] Zero Point Seven

On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 06:55:38PM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
> I know that you probably hate people asking the same questions over and 
> over again, i have been reading these discussions and explanations for 
> quite some time, but can't find an answers to the questions that interests 
> me.
> 
> Let's say I trust John and Jill. I create my own litte darknet to 
> distribute highly contravercial vegan recepies, which happen to be illegal 
> in my hypothetical meat-eaters-only country. Then John, decides to invite 
> Jason into the darknet... and Jason is an undercover meat-eater. Will Jason 
> be able to learn about my vegan habbits? If not (i.e. he will only be 
> connected to John) then John will be the only point of entry for anything 
> Jason wants to insert/retrieve from the darknet, is that correct?

He will be connected to John. If Jill wants to connect to him too, then
she must connect to him and him to her.
> 
> You have also mentioned about joining two different darknets together. Do 
> you mean that if Jason in our situation is a member of a vegetarian (rather 
> than vegan) darknet then vegetarian darknetters will be able to receive the 
> content of vegan darnet? Can that be stopped? (ie Can Jason say, "Yes, i'm 
> a part of two darknets, but i don't want any crosspolination between the 
> two").

Sure, he can run two separate nodes. He can then manually migrate
content, if he wants to.
> 
> How easy is it to run opennet and darknet at the same time? Will that 
> require two separate nodes running or can i run one nodes connecting to 
> both nets?

Two separate nodes, otherwise the darknet's apparently working won't
show very much.
> 
> How easy would it be to set up a gateway between a darknet and an opennet?

While it might theoretically be possible, I would strongly object to it.
You can MANUALLY migrate good content, but a gateway node would
undermine the whole idea of the darknet. You end up with a few nodes on
the edge of the opennet, connected to another few nodes on another edge
via the opennet. When the opennet is taken away, as it inevitably will
be, they are isolated again.
> 
> Well i think this is about all.
>   - Volodya
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[freenet-support] help-Route Not Found, Couldn't Retrieve Key, node recently reseeded, gpl not helping. [signed]

On 9/19/05, Bruce Hollihan [c]  wrote:
> Hello
> I am a new user to freenet, and it seems like I followed all the
> directions, but I can't get on freenet.
> Here's some info:
> Version Information
> 
> Node Version0.5
> Protocol Version1.46
> Build Number5012

Ouch.  This is an ancient build.  You got that from Sourceforge didn't
you?  Those are really old files (Someone really ought to update them)
 No wonder you can't connect.  Here's what you do:

Stop your node. 

If you are run windows, click Start>Programs>Freenet>Update Snapshot
If you are running *nix,  run update.sh

Download seednodes.zip from   http://freenetproject.org/snapshots and
unzip the file.  Put the seednodes.ref (from the seednodes.zip file)
inside your freenet folder (overwriting your old file)

Start your node and go to the "open connections" page.  Refresh this
for a few minutes until you see some connections active.  Hopefully
this should get you going.

-- 
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death, your right to say it. - Voltaire

Re: [freenet-support] help-Route Not Found, Couldn't Retrieve Key, node recently reseeded, gpl not helping. [signed]

>Thanks for the heads up

>I ended up trashing that ancient version of freenet, and went for the
>latest release instead.

>I've started it up, and already things seem to be closer to a desired
>outcome, so I'll be patient.

>Also, I received this message, as seen below this line. Should I be
>concerned about it?

>$ os.arch = ppc

>INFO: Native BigInteger library jbigi not loaded, reason: 'Dont know
>jbigi library name for os type 'Mac OS X'' - using pure java


>Anyway, I seem to be getting somewhere, ie, 'caveat lector'


>Regards.

>Bruce

That just means you don't have the optional native math libraries
installed.  Freenet will work fine without them.  I don't think it is
very easy to get those installed either so I wouldn't bother.

Happy freenetting!

P.S.  The current node build is 5105, make sure you are running that.
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[freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

2005-09-19 Thread Julien Cornuwel

Matthew Toseland a ?crit :

>My understanding is that the french crypto regulations were abandoned
>some time ago.
>  
>

That law is just a project (no decree yet). For the moment, we're still
limited to 128b.

>Make your own darknet. :)
>Then come to Bristol, take me out for a pizza, and I'll connect to your
>node ;). Seriously, there needs to be some sort of relationship for the
>small world properties to hold, but beyond that it's not such a big
>deal.
>  
>

Some of us think about it but I see 2 problems to that :
- We don't know each others and can't trust one not to be part of DST
(our MI-5) or SNEP (our RIAA). So we can't reasonably reveal our real
identities.
- If we do that, newcommers will be completely alone and we won't be
able to guide them or invite them into the darknet.

OK for the pizza as long as it has cheese on it ;-)

>>I'm affraid that if this fonctionnality isn't enabled in Freenet, people
>>will do it by other ways (internet forums, mailing-lists, weak encrypted
>>emails, etc.) which are way less secure than Freenet. Or worse, some
>>will decide to publish their keys and allow anyone to connect to the
>>darknet through them...
>>
>>
>
>In which case there will be weak segments of the darknet. That does not
>undermine the whole structure. The mainstreamers can still use the
>opennet. I expect there to be some cross-recruiting. But the intention
>is for the darknet to be separate from the opennet. People who happen to
>be on both can migrate content manually. They can also get to know
>people on the opennet, and perhaps add them later. I first met Ian after
>having worked for him for around a year; I have a friend in Australia who
>I've never met but I would be perfectly happy to connect my node to. But
>at this stage, I would happily connect to Newsbyte. Or CofE if I knew
>him, but I obviously wouldn't want him to breach his carefully guarded
>anonymity just for that. :)
>

Mmm, well. Let's wait and see how that will work. Middle 2006, it'll be
clearer...

Thanks for your answers.

-- 
http://www.freenet-fr.org

Re: [freenet-support] help-Route Not Found, Couldn't Retrieve Key, node recently reseeded, gpl not helping. [signed]

Juiceman

Thanks for the heads up
I ended up trashing that ancient version of freenet, and went for the latest release instead.
I've started it up, and already things seem to be closer to a desired outcome, so I'll be patient.
Also, I received this message, as seen below this line. Should I be concerned about it?
$ os.arch = ppc
INFO: Native BigInteger library jbigi not loaded, reason: 'Dont know jbigi library name for os type 'Mac OS X'' - using pure java

Anyway, I seem to be getting somewhere, ie, 'caveat lector'

Regards.
Bruce









On Sep 19, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Juiceman wrote:

On 9/19/05, Bruce Hollihan [c] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello
I am a new user to freenet, and it seems like I followed all the
directions, but I can't get on freenet.
Here's some info:
Version Information

Node Version0.5
Protocol Version1.46
Build Number5012

Ouch.  This is an ancient build.  You got that from Sourceforge didn't
you?  Those are really old files (Someone really ought to update them)
No wonder you can't connect.  Here's what you do:

Stop your node. 

If you are run windows, click Start>Programs>Freenet>Update Snapshot
If you are running *nix,  run update.sh

Download seednodes.zip from   http://freenetproject.org/snapshots and
unzip the file.  Put the seednodes.ref (from the seednodes.zip file)
inside your freenet folder (overwriting your old file)

Start your node and go to the "open connections" page.  Refresh this
for a few minutes until you see some connections active.  Hopefully
this should get you going.


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[freenet-support] help-Route Not Found, Couldn't Retrieve Key, node recently reseeded, gpl not helping. [signed]

Juiceman

Thanks for the heads up
I ended up trashing that ancient version of freenet, and went for the 
latest release instead.
I've started it up, and already things seem to be closer to a desired 
outcome, so I'll be patient.
Also, I received this message, as seen below this line. Should I be 
concerned about it?
$ os.arch = ppc
INFO: Native BigInteger library jbigi not loaded, reason: 'Dont know 
jbigi library name for os type 'Mac OS X'' - using pure java

Anyway, I seem to be getting somewhere, ie, 'caveat lector'

Regards.
Bruce









On Sep 19, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Juiceman wrote:

> On 9/19/05, Bruce Hollihan [c]  wrote:
>> Hello
>> I am a new user to freenet, and it seems like I followed all the
>> directions, but I can't get on freenet.
>> Here's some info:
>> Version Information
>>
>> Node Version0.5
>> Protocol Version1.46
>> Build Number5012
>
> Ouch.  This is an ancient build.  You got that from Sourceforge didn't
> you?  Those are really old files (Someone really ought to update them)
>  No wonder you can't connect.  Here's what you do:
>
> Stop your node.
>
> If you are run windows, click Start>Programs>Freenet>Update Snapshot
> If you are running *nix,  run update.sh
>
> Download seednodes.zip from   http://freenetproject.org/snapshots and
> unzip the file.  Put the seednodes.ref (from the seednodes.zip file)
> inside your freenet folder (overwriting your old file)
>
> Start your node and go to the "open connections" page.  Refresh this
> for a few minutes until you see some connections active.  Hopefully
> this should get you going.
>
>
> -- 
> I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
> death, your right to say it. - Voltaire
>
>



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[freenet-support] Zero Point Seven

2005-09-19 Thread Volodya Mozhenkov

I know that you probably hate people asking the same questions over and over 
again, i have 
been reading these discussions and explanations for quite some time, but can't 
find an 
answers to the questions that interests me.

Let's say I trust John and Jill. I create my own litte darknet to distribute 
highly 
contravercial vegan recepies, which happen to be illegal in my hypothetical 
meat-eaters-only country. Then John, decides to invite Jason into the 
darknet... and Jason 
is an undercover meat-eater. Will Jason be able to learn about my vegan 
habbits? If not 
(i.e. he will only be connected to John) then John will be the only point of 
entry for 
anything Jason wants to insert/retrieve from the darknet, is that correct?

You have also mentioned about joining two different darknets together. Do you 
mean that if 
Jason in our situation is a member of a vegetarian (rather than vegan) darknet 
then 
vegetarian darknetters will be able to receive the content of vegan darnet? Can 
that be 
stopped? (ie Can Jason say, "Yes, i'm a part of two darknets, but i don't want 
any 
crosspolination between the two").

How easy is it to run opennet and darknet at the same time? Will that require 
two separate 
nodes running or can i run one nodes connecting to both nets?

How easy would it be to set up a gateway between a darknet and an opennet?

Well i think this is about all.
   - Volodya

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Re: [freenet-support] help-Route Not Found, Couldn't Retrieve Key, node recently reseeded, gpl not helping. [signed]

On 9/19/05, Bruce Hollihan [c] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
> I am a new user to freenet, and it seems like I followed all the
> directions, but I can't get on freenet.
> Here's some info:
> Version Information
> 
> Node Version0.5
> Protocol Version1.46
> Build Number5012

Ouch.  This is an ancient build.  You got that from Sourceforge didn't
you?  Those are really old files (Someone really ought to update them)
 No wonder you can't connect.  Here's what you do:

Stop your node. 

If you are run windows, click Start>Programs>Freenet>Update Snapshot
If you are running *nix,  run update.sh

Download seednodes.zip from   http://freenetproject.org/snapshots and
unzip the file.  Put the seednodes.ref (from the seednodes.zip file)
inside your freenet folder (overwriting your old file)

Start your node and go to the "open connections" page.  Refresh this
for a few minutes until you see some connections active.  Hopefully
this should get you going.

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Hello
I am a new user to freenet, and it seems like I followed all the 
directions, but I can't get on freenet.

Here's some info:
Version Information 

Node Version0.5
Protocol Version1.46
Build Number5012
CVS Revision1.90.2.50.2.38

Uptime  
 1 day 4 hours 26 minutes   

Load
Current routingTime 7ms
Active pooled jobs  47 (39.18%)
Available threads   21
Current estimated load  39.18%


Network Error   




Couldn't retrieve key: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/TFE//
Hops To Live: 15

Error: Route Not Found

Attempts were made to contact 23 nodes.

* 23 were totally unreachable.
* 0 restarted.
* 0 cleanly rejected.






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I am a new user to freenet, and it seems like I followed all the 
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Here's some info:
Version Information 

Node Version0.5
Protocol Version1.46
Build Number5012
CVS Revision1.90.2.50.2.38

Uptime  
 1 day 4 hours 26 minutes   

Load
Current routingTime 7ms
Active pooled jobs  47 (39.18%)
Available threads   21
Current estimated load  39.18%


Network Error   




Couldn't retrieve key: SSK at rBjVda8pC-Kq04jUurIAb8IzAGcPAgM/TFE//
Hops To Live: 15

Error: Route Not Found

Attempts were made to contact 23 nodes.

 * 23 were totally unreachable.
 * 0 restarted.
 * 0 cleanly rejected.






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[freenet-support] Re: Connection Issue

2005-09-19 Thread Jake Speed

Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 01:01:35AM -0700, Jake Speed wrote:
> > I had been using Freenet for about a week without an
> > issue. After having to restart, Freenet would just
> > keep trying to connect forever without success.
> 
> Trying to connect? What do you mean? Do you have any connections (web
> interface -> open connections)? What happens normally, and what happens
> now?

What I mean is, I see the freenet icon in my system tray with the blue arrows 
going up. And the tool tip on the icon says "Freenet is Starting...Please Wait"

Below is a copy of the freenet.log file. It is apparently having trouble with 
something if those java exceptions are any indicator.

Sep 18, 2005 12:47:19 AM (freenet.node.Main, main): Starting Freenet (Fred) 0.5 
node, build #5105 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM:1.5.
0_04-b05
os.arch = x86
Loading native...
Attempting to load freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dll
Written to C:\DOCUME~1\download\LOCALS~1\Temp\2\jcpuid54325lib.tmp: 40960
INFO: Native CPUID library 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.
dll' loaded from resource
INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library 'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-pentium3.
dll' loaded from resource
Sep 18, 2005 12:47:22 AM (freenet.node.Main, main): loading node keys: node
Sep 18, 2005 12:47:22 AM (freenet.node.Main, main): Unexpected Exception: java.
io.EOFException
java.io.EOFException
at freenet.support.io.ReadInputStream.readUTFChar(ReadInputStream.java:
223)
at 
freenet.support.io.ReadInputStream.readToEOF(ReadInputStream.java:134)
at freenet.support.io.CommentedReadInputStream.
readToEOF(CommentedReadInputStream.java:45)
at 
freenet.support.io.ReadInputStream.readToEOF(ReadInputStream.java:184)
at freenet.FieldSet.privParse(FieldSet.java:521)
at freenet.FieldSet.parseFields(FieldSet.java:454)
at freenet.FieldSet.parseFields(FieldSet.java:390)
at freenet.FieldSet.(FieldSet.java:83)
at freenet.node.Main.loadNodeFile(Main.java:2950)
at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:515)

Exception in thread "main" java.io.EOFException
at freenet.support.io.ReadInputStream.readUTFChar(ReadInputStream.java:
223)
at 
freenet.support.io.ReadInputStream.readToEOF(ReadInputStream.java:134)
at freenet.support.io.CommentedReadInputStream.
readToEOF(CommentedReadInputStream.java:45)
at 
freenet.support.io.ReadInputStream.readToEOF(ReadInputStream.java:184)
at freenet.FieldSet.privParse(FieldSet.java:521)
at freenet.FieldSet.parseFields(FieldSet.java:454)
at freenet.FieldSet.parseFields(FieldSet.java:390)
at freenet.FieldSet.(FieldSet.java:83)
at freenet.node.Main.loadNodeFile(Main.java:2950)
at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:515)

> > 
> > I have tried re-installing to no avail.
> > 
> > I have double checked my Firewall settings with the
> > Port in the Freenet.ini file.
> > 
> > I can't see any reason it should have stopped being
> > able to connect.
> > 
> > Jake

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[freenet-support] Proposed new freenet - questions from a Freesite author

On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 04:47:54AM -0700, dukemorbid1 at hushmail.com wrote:
> I viewed Ian's DEFCON presentation and though not a technical 
> expert found it fascinating. Some questions arise that might 
> concern other non-technical users of Freenet too.
> 
> 1. I don't know (i.e. can't identify) any other Freenet users. How 
> will I be able to find a set of peers?

You can use the opennet.
> 
> 2. Does needing to have one's node "always on" literally require 24 
> hour connection? I can manage a few hours (broadband) most days at 
> best.
> 
> 3. Will the identifiers of existing Freesites have to change?

SSKs might or might not change. I haven't decided yet.
> 
> 4. Will new tools for site insertion be required and if so will 
> they be made available at the same time as the new Freenet comes 
> into general use? People like me prefer interfaces such as Freesite 
> Insertion Wizard to command line driven tools.

Yes, new tools will be required. And yes, we will try to ensure they are
available close to release of the new network - we don't want half the
world's media reporting that freenet 0.7 is fast but has no content
except the porn the [favourite bogeyman] inserted! ;)
> 
> Thanks to the team for their splendid work.
> 
> Duke Morbid
> 
> /SSK at xdDLu9KYaJGEL9543hOrarcoFM8PAgM/PussyGalore//

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[freenet-support] Connection Issue

On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 01:01:35AM -0700, Jake Speed wrote:
> I had been using Freenet for about a week without an
> issue. After having to restart, Freenet would just
> keep trying to connect forever without success.

Trying to connect? What do you mean? Do you have any connections (web
interface -> open connections)? What happens normally, and what happens
now?
> 
> I have tried re-installing to no avail.
> 
> I have double checked my Firewall settings with the
> Port in the Freenet.ini file.
> 
> I can't see any reason it should have stopped being
> able to connect.
> 
> Jake
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[freenet-support] The new version and UDP

Well... yeah. :| You can keep using 0.5. And there will be a TCP
transport plugin, eventually, but probably not before 0.7.0.

However in your case I rather suspect freenet 0.7.0 would just work,
even with UDP. UDP port forwarding should not normally be necessary. If
you know the IP of the other end, and it knows yours, you can connect,
unless your router is *really* whacky.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 12:34:08PM +0200, Level 13 wrote:
> I know it probably sounds silly, but for some time I've been using a
> router that doesn't support UDP port forwarding, and I probably won't
> change it any time soon... I see the 0.7 is switching from TCP to UDP.
> What happens to those unlucky users who can't use UDP? Should we just
> stop using Freenet until we get a better router / portforwarding
> support?
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[freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 07:52:44PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
> Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
> 
> >On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 06:36:53PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
> >
> >As far as the above goes, please read the responses to the other post.
> 
> I did. So you confirm my understanding ? 99% of current Freenet users
> won't be able to join the darknet and will have to use opennet.

In the short term, perhaps. In the West you won't need to have known
somebody for 25 years in order to trust them enough to connect to their
node; I would be happy to connect to a number of people I have never
met, who I know online. There are a few parameters here:
1. Are they an acquaintance, beyond random computer selection? We must
not connect people randomly, because routing requires a small world
graph.
2. Do you trust them enough for them to know for sure that you run a
freenet node? It may be illegal in some places, in which case you will
need to pick more carefully.
3. Do you trust them not to launch attacks on you in order to break your
anonymity? How difficult such attacks are depends on the design
decisions we make in 0.7.0, and hopefully in future they will be more
difficult, but you will always be most vulnerable to your immediate
neighbours (just as you are most vulnerable to your real life friends in
real life).
> 
> >>Suppose Freenet 0.7 becomes illegal in France (what it already is,
> >>because of the AES 256 encryption).

My understanding is that the french crypto regulations were abandoned
some time ago.

> >>The opennet won't be secure for us,
> >>but we won't be able to join the darknet. What could we do ? Keep on
> >>using 0.5 ?

Make your own darknet. :)
Then come to Bristol, take me out for a pizza, and I'll connect to your
node ;). Seriously, there needs to be some sort of relationship for the
small world properties to hold, but beyond that it's not such a big
deal.
> >
> >The opennet will probably be more secure than 0.5. But both are very
> >easy to shut down, because they can be very easily harvested - all nodes
> >can be found easily, meaning they can be blocked, attacked, etc.
> 
> That is why I'm searching a way for someone who is neither a member of
> alpha-testers/Freenet-devs, nor a very organised terrorist/paedophile to
> join the darknet.

Surprisingly enough most paedophiles are disorganized. Just like most
other people are disorganized.
> 
> Do you think it would be possible for nodes in the darknet to see what
> happens in the opennet ?
> Maybe a special kind of nodes that acts as a gateway between the 2
> networks : it wouldn't endanger the anonymity of thoses who are in the
> darknet but it would give them the ability to see the newcommers and
> eventually decide to invite them.

*Any* node on the opennet is vulnerable to being found, blocked, seized
etc. However there is no reason that content cannot be migrated from one
to the other.
> 
> My opinion is that a resistance-network has to be closed tight when war
> is on. But it needs to create itself before that. So if some people
> could choose the become some "fuses" between open and dark, the darknet
> would remain safe and be able to "recruit".

It is IMHO strategically vital that we can test the network as a pure
darknet. We will need an opennet as well, because we need to have
something for people to download from freenetproject.org.
> 
> I'm affraid that if this fonctionnality isn't enabled in Freenet, people
> will do it by other ways (internet forums, mailing-lists, weak encrypted
> emails, etc.) which are way less secure than Freenet. Or worse, some
> will decide to publish their keys and allow anyone to connect to the
> darknet through them...

In which case there will be weak segments of the darknet. That does not
undermine the whole structure. The mainstreamers can still use the
opennet. I expect there to be some cross-recruiting. But the intention
is for the darknet to be separate from the opennet. People who happen to
be on both can migrate content manually. They can also get to know
people on the opennet, and perhaps add them later. I first met Ian after
having worked for him for around a year; I have a friend in Australia who
I've never met but I would be perfectly happy to connect my node to. But
at this stage, I would happily connect to Newsbyte. Or CofE if I knew
him, but I obviously wouldn't want him to breach his carefully guarded
anonymity just for that. :)
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[freenet-support] Re: Hypothetical question...

On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 10:28:49PM -0400, John Meeks wrote:
> It seems to me that finding people to communicate with (trust) is the hard
> part, and actually communicating with them is the easy part.  The opennet
> allows you to not have to trust people, since everything is anonymous, and
> thus solves the hard problem (in addition to the easy one).  The friends
> network solves the easy problem (communication) but doesn't help with the
> hard problem (finding people to trust).

No. The hard problem is providing something vaguely resembling the
internet in scale and functionality that:
a) Prevents the powerful from tracing a given information source -
author, informant, whistleblower, artist, etc. AND
b) Will still be usable even if running a freenet node is itself 
illegal, and will make it expensive to destroy the network.

The opennet is for those who don't have any friends but trust the
government. The darknet is for those who trust their friends but not the
government. Take your pick, you can't have both. The opennet is
harvestable, and always will be harvestable. Only the darknet has a
chance in a hostile environment where running a node may in itself be
dangerous.
> 
> There is one change that I think would be good:  Make it impossible to
> construct any given file from any given node.  This turns deniability into
> impossibility (ie. someone can't say "the file was on the drive, and it
> was encrypted" they can only say "part of the file was on the drive, but
> we had to get the rest off the internet to get the file").  This seems to
> have a better chance of standing up in court.  In other words, never let a
> given node hold any complete file.

This is impossible unless the node knows which files belong to which
splitfile. Which would be very bad. Well I suppose we could do some
red/black colouring or something, but it would suck, and wouldn't work
on a darknet. In any case, the real problem here is that the whole file
might be in your store because you requested it (the Register attack).
There are several possible solutions to this. The obvious darknet
solution is just to not cache the files you request (unless somebody
else asks for them). The problem is this might be detected by your
immediate neighbours; unless we take fairly extreme measures, it is
likely that your immediate friends can detect what you are browsing if
they actively attack you with e.g. correlation attacks. All solutions to
this so far appear rather difficult and expensive (slow), so we are just
ignoring the problem for 0.7.0.
> 
> --- John
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[freenet-support] Re: Hypothetical question...

On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 08:55:01PM +, Bob wrote:
> Matthew Toseland  writes:
> 
> --snip--
> > No, there will be an opennet. It will probably operate on similar
> > principles to the current 0.5 network, but will be 0.7.
> > > 
> > > We could have a rotating public nodes system like we currently do with
> > > seednodes.ref, but surely this would horribly break the routing?
> > 
> > Not necessarily.
> 
> So the friend small-world thing is purely for the scalable darknet, and the
> opennet will use something like ngrouting?

No, it will use the same routing, but will probably have some level of
(slowish) path folding.
> 
> > We have state level internet censorship?

Replied to his response direct to author and to chat at freenetproject.org.
Apologies for the noise.
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[freenet-support] rfi: FCP API for 0.7

No. 0.7 is a major change. The fundamentals will be similar but there
are some significant changes:
- We no longer create one connection for every request. We multiplex.
  This is what the identifiers are for.
- Requests do not necessarily start immediately. They can be queued by
  the node. If the client asks for a status update it can get one; if
  the client kills the connection and tries again (which is very common
  in 0.5 clients), it will probably be coalesced with the old request.
- Splitfiles are handled more or less transparently by the node. You
  can have as much status information as you want, or as little, but you
  do not have to (and cannot easily) parse the metadata and do the
  splitfile decode yourself. The metadata itself is binary in any case,
  and may be hierarchical (i.e. a splitfile manifest might not fit in
  one 32kB block), and anything over 32kB will need to be split (or at
  least gzipped transparently).

On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 08:52:15AM -0400, Rowland wrote:
> Now this will be backward compatible, right?
> 
> On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 20:04, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > Sorry, there isn't much solid documentation yet. I will write something
> > up soon as there have been several requests.
> > 
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:35:22PM -0700, Vanessa wrote:
> > > Anything you can say on this or provide me with some pointers to where I
> > > might be able to find some answers? Not necessarily specs, but something
> > > that will give a bit of confidence things will be allright or how things
> > > API related will progress?
> > > 
> > > Thank you
> > > 
> > > "It would be nice indeed and a positive sign if something was said about
> > > what to expect on the API. It will not be something esoteric, it will be
> > > like what it is now as seen from a functional level, I guess.
> > > 
> > > Maybe the messages being exchanged will have a different format but that
> > > will not cause much trouble. Just make sure the FCP parts are properly
> > > isolated and the distance will be relatively short, I hope."
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[freenet-support] Proposed new freenet - questions from a

2005-09-19 Thread remai...@invalid.com

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In <20050919160711.GB19713 at amphibian.dyndns.org> Matthew Toseland  wrote:
>On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 04:47:54AM -0700, dukemorbid1 at hushmail.com wrote:
>> I viewed Ian's DEFCON presentation and though not a technical 
>> expert found it fascinating. Some questions arise that might 
>> concern other non-technical users of Freenet too.
>> 
>> 1. I don't know (i.e. can't identify) any other Freenet users. How 
>> will I be able to find a set of peers?
>
>You can use the opennet.
>> 
>> 2. Does needing to have one's node "always on" literally require 24 
>> hour connection? I can manage a few hours (broadband) most days at 
>> best.
>> 
>> 3. Will the identifiers of existing Freesites have to change?
>
>SSKs might or might not change. I haven't decided yet.
>> 
>> 4. Will new tools for site insertion be required and if so will 
>> they be made available at the same time as the new Freenet comes 
>> into general use? People like me prefer interfaces such as Freesite 
>> Insertion Wizard to command line driven tools.
>
>Yes, new tools will be required. And yes, we will try to ensure they are
>available close to release of the new network - we don't want half the
>world's media reporting that freenet 0.7 is fast but has no content
>except the porn the [favourite bogeyman] inserted! ;)

an 0.7 version of FIW I hope?

>> 
>> Thanks to the team for their splendid work.
>> 
>> Duke Morbid
>> 
>> /SSK at xdDLu9KYaJGEL9543hOrarcoFM8PAgM/PussyGalore//
>
>Many thanks to our faithful site authors.


A question I've not seen addressed with other than 'soon', approximately when
do you expect 0.7 to be released for public use?


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Re: [freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 07:37:27PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
> Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
> 
> >My understanding is that the french crypto regulations were abandoned
> >some time ago.
> 
> That law is just a project (no decree yet). For the moment, we're still
> limited to 128b.

That's bizarre. Nobody can actually break 128 bit AES at the moment, as
far as we know - why have an upper limit that can't be broken anyway?
> 
> >Make your own darknet. :)
> >Then come to Bristol, take me out for a pizza, and I'll connect to your
> >node ;). Seriously, there needs to be some sort of relationship for the
> >small world properties to hold, but beyond that it's not such a big
> >deal.
> 
> Some of us think about it but I see 2 problems to that :
> - We don't know each others and can't trust one not to be part of DST
> (our MI-5) or SNEP (our RIAA). So we can't reasonably reveal our real
> identities.

It depends on how paranoid you are. While it is possible that somebody
is a mole, infiltrating networks like that is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more
expensive than just harvesting the opennet. Infiltrating social networks
via actual social connections is seriously expensive.

> - If we do that, newcommers will be completely alone and we won't be
> able to guide them or invite them into the darknet.
> 
> OK for the pizza as long as it has cheese on it ;-)
> 
> >>I'm affraid that if this fonctionnality isn't enabled in Freenet, people
> >>will do it by other ways (internet forums, mailing-lists, weak encrypted
> >>emails, etc.) which are way less secure than Freenet. Or worse, some
> >>will decide to publish their keys and allow anyone to connect to the
> >>darknet through them...
> >>
> >>
> >
> >In which case there will be weak segments of the darknet. That does not
> >undermine the whole structure. The mainstreamers can still use the
> >opennet. I expect there to be some cross-recruiting. But the intention
> >is for the darknet to be separate from the opennet. People who happen to
> >be on both can migrate content manually. They can also get to know
> >people on the opennet, and perhaps add them later. I first met Ian after
> >having worked for him for around a year; I have a friend in Australia who
> >I've never met but I would be perfectly happy to connect my node to. But
> >at this stage, I would happily connect to Newsbyte. Or CofE if I knew
> >him, but I obviously wouldn't want him to breach his carefully guarded
> >anonymity just for that. :)
> >
> 
> Mmm, well. Let's wait and see how that will work. Middle 2006, it'll be
> clearer...
> 
> Thanks for your answers.
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Re: [freenet-support] Zero Point Seven

On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 06:55:38PM +0100, Volodya Mozhenkov wrote:
> I know that you probably hate people asking the same questions over and 
> over again, i have been reading these discussions and explanations for 
> quite some time, but can't find an answers to the questions that interests 
> me.
> 
> Let's say I trust John and Jill. I create my own litte darknet to 
> distribute highly contravercial vegan recepies, which happen to be illegal 
> in my hypothetical meat-eaters-only country. Then John, decides to invite 
> Jason into the darknet... and Jason is an undercover meat-eater. Will Jason 
> be able to learn about my vegan habbits? If not (i.e. he will only be 
> connected to John) then John will be the only point of entry for anything 
> Jason wants to insert/retrieve from the darknet, is that correct?

He will be connected to John. If Jill wants to connect to him too, then
she must connect to him and him to her.
> 
> You have also mentioned about joining two different darknets together. Do 
> you mean that if Jason in our situation is a member of a vegetarian (rather 
> than vegan) darknet then vegetarian darknetters will be able to receive the 
> content of vegan darnet? Can that be stopped? (ie Can Jason say, "Yes, i'm 
> a part of two darknets, but i don't want any crosspolination between the 
> two").

Sure, he can run two separate nodes. He can then manually migrate
content, if he wants to.
> 
> How easy is it to run opennet and darknet at the same time? Will that 
> require two separate nodes running or can i run one nodes connecting to 
> both nets?

Two separate nodes, otherwise the darknet's apparently working won't
show very much.
> 
> How easy would it be to set up a gateway between a darknet and an opennet?

While it might theoretically be possible, I would strongly object to it.
You can MANUALLY migrate good content, but a gateway node would
undermine the whole idea of the darknet. You end up with a few nodes on
the edge of the opennet, connected to another few nodes on another edge
via the opennet. When the opennet is taken away, as it inevitably will
be, they are isolated again.
> 
> Well i think this is about all.
>   - Volodya
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[freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

2005-09-19 Thread remai...@invalid.com

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In <20050919155428.GD18971 at amphibian.dyndns.org> Matthew Toseland  wrote:
>On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 07:52:44PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
>> Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
>> 
>> >On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 06:36:53PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
>> >
>> >As far as the above goes, please read the responses to the other post.
>> 
>> I did. So you confirm my understanding ? 99% of current Freenet users
>> won't be able to join the darknet and will have to use opennet.
>
>In the short term, perhaps. In the West you won't need to have known
>somebody for 25 years in order to trust them enough to connect to their
>node; I would be happy to connect to a number of people I have never
>met, who I know online. There are a few parameters here:
>1. Are they an acquaintance, beyond random computer selection? We must
>not connect people randomly, because routing requires a small world
>graph.
>2. Do you trust them enough for them to know for sure that you run a
>freenet node? It may be illegal in some places, in which case you will
>need to pick more carefully.
>3. Do you trust them not to launch attacks on you in order to break your
>anonymity? How difficult such attacks are depends on the design
>decisions we make in 0.7.0, and hopefully in future they will be more
>difficult, but you will always be most vulnerable to your immediate
>neighbours (just as you are most vulnerable to your real life friends in
>real life).
>> 
>> >>Suppose Freenet 0.7 becomes illegal in France (what it already is,
>> >>because of the AES 256 encryption).
>
>My understanding is that the french crypto regulations were abandoned
>some time ago.
>
>> >>The opennet won't be secure for us,
>> >>but we won't be able to join the darknet. What could we do ? Keep on
>> >>using 0.5 ?
>
>Make your own darknet. :)
>Then come to Bristol, take me out for a pizza, and I'll connect to your
>node ;). Seriously, there needs to be some sort of relationship for the
>small world properties to hold, but beyond that it's not such a big
>deal.
>> >
>> >The opennet will probably be more secure than 0.5. But both are very
>> >easy to shut down, because they can be very easily harvested - all nodes
>> >can be found easily, meaning they can be blocked, attacked, etc.
>> 
>> That is why I'm searching a way for someone who is neither a member of
>> alpha-testers/Freenet-devs, nor a very organised terrorist/paedophile to
>> join the darknet.
>
>Surprisingly enough most paedophiles are disorganized. Just like most
>other people are disorganized.


I wouldnt know, I am not aware of knowing any paedophiles.


>> Do you think it would be possible for nodes in the darknet to see what
>> happens in the opennet ?
>> Maybe a special kind of nodes that acts as a gateway between the 2
>> networks : it wouldn't endanger the anonymity of thoses who are in the
>> darknet but it would give them the ability to see the newcommers and
>> eventually decide to invite them.
>
>*Any* node on the opennet is vulnerable to being found, blocked, seized
>etc. However there is no reason that content cannot be migrated from one
>to the other.


So we can expect opennet > darknet gateways to exist?


>> My opinion is that a resistance-network has to be closed tight when war
>> is on. But it needs to create itself before that. So if some people
>> could choose the become some "fuses" between open and dark, the darknet
>> would remain safe and be able to "recruit".
>
>It is IMHO strategically vital that we can test the network as a pure
>darknet. We will need an opennet as well, because we need to have
>something for people to download from freenetproject.org.
>> 
>> I'm affraid that if this fonctionnality isn't enabled in Freenet, people
>> will do it by other ways (internet forums, mailing-lists, weak encrypted
>> emails, etc.) which are way less secure than Freenet. Or worse, some
>> will decide to publish their keys and allow anyone to connect to the
>> darknet through them...
>
>In which case there will be weak segments of the darknet. That does not
>undermine the whole structure. The mainstreamers can still use the
>opennet. I expect there to be some cross-recruiting. But the intention
>is for the darknet to be separate from the opennet. People who happen to
>be on both can migrate content manually. They can also get to know
>people on the opennet, and perhaps add them later. I first met Ian after
>having worked for him for around a year; I have a friend in Australia who
>I've never met but I would be perfectly happy to connect my node to. But
>at this stage, I would happily connect to Newsbyte. Or CofE if I knew
>him, but I obviously wouldn't want him to breach his carefully guarded
>anonymity just for that. :)
>> 
>> -- 
>> http://www.freenet-fr.org
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[freenet-support] Re: "Could not find the Main class" error

2005-09-19 Thread Bob

Jim Q.  writes:

> Hi,
> I had problem installing Freenet because it will fail to download software 
> during installation. Matthew helped me with that so I copied some of the 
> software it was having difficulty with in the installation directory but now 
> at the end of the installation I get the following error: "Java Virtual 
> Machine Launcher: Could Not Find the Main Class. Program will exit." BUt the 
> program continues its installation and is installed but whenever I try to 
> start the program I get the above mentioend JVM Launcher error. I upgraded 
> my JVM to the latest thinking that it was perhaps my JVM error.
> Thanks,
> Jim

Hmm, odd. The most likely cause is a corrupt freenet.jar, try comparing the
sizes / re-downloading it. Or you are trying to use 0.7's alpha jar which IIRC
has a different main class, but this would be hard to do by accident since they
aren't even hosted on freenetproject.org :)

Failing that, what does the end of freenet.log say when this happens?

Bob

[freenet-support] Zero Point Seven

2005-09-19 Thread Volodya Mozhenkov

I know that you probably hate people asking the same questions over and over again, i have
been reading these discussions and explanations for quite some time, but can't find an
answers to the questions that interests me.

Let's say I trust John and Jill. I create my own litte darknet to distribute highly
contravercial vegan recepies, which happen to be illegal in my hypothetical
meat-eaters-only country. Then John, decides to invite Jason into the darknet... and Jason
is an undercover meat-eater. Will Jason be able to learn about my vegan habbits? If not
(i.e. he will only be connected to John) then John will be the only point of entry for
anything Jason wants to insert/retrieve from the darknet, is that correct?

You have also mentioned about joining two different darknets together. Do you mean that if
Jason in our situation is a member of a vegetarian (rather than vegan) darknet then
vegetarian darknetters will be able to receive the content of vegan darnet? Can that be
stopped? (ie Can Jason say, "Yes, i'm a part of two darknets, but i don't want any
crosspolination between the two").

How easy is it to run opennet and darknet at the same time? Will that require two separate
nodes running or can i run one nodes connecting to both nets?

How easy would it be to set up a gateway between a darknet and an opennet?

Well i think this is about all.
- Volodya

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Re: [freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

2005-09-19 Thread Julien Cornuwel

Matthew Toseland a écrit :

>My understanding is that the french crypto regulations were abandoned
>some time ago.
>  
>

That law is just a project (no decree yet). For the moment, we're still
limited to 128b.

>Make your own darknet. :)
>Then come to Bristol, take me out for a pizza, and I'll connect to your
>node ;). Seriously, there needs to be some sort of relationship for the
>small world properties to hold, but beyond that it's not such a big
>deal.
>  
>

Some of us think about it but I see 2 problems to that :
- We don't know each others and can't trust one not to be part of DST
(our MI-5) or SNEP (our RIAA). So we can't reasonably reveal our real
identities.
- If we do that, newcommers will be completely alone and we won't be
able to guide them or invite them into the darknet.

OK for the pizza as long as it has cheese on it ;-)

>>I'm affraid that if this fonctionnality isn't enabled in Freenet, people
>>will do it by other ways (internet forums, mailing-lists, weak encrypted
>>emails, etc.) which are way less secure than Freenet. Or worse, some
>>will decide to publish their keys and allow anyone to connect to the
>>darknet through them...
>>
>>
>
>In which case there will be weak segments of the darknet. That does not
>undermine the whole structure. The mainstreamers can still use the
>opennet. I expect there to be some cross-recruiting. But the intention
>is for the darknet to be separate from the opennet. People who happen to
>be on both can migrate content manually. They can also get to know
>people on the opennet, and perhaps add them later. I first met Ian after
>having worked for him for around a year; I have a friend in Australia who
>I've never met but I would be perfectly happy to connect my node to. But
>at this stage, I would happily connect to Newsbyte. Or CofE if I knew
>him, but I obviously wouldn't want him to breach his carefully guarded
>anonymity just for that. :)
>

Mmm, well. Let's wait and see how that will work. Middle 2006, it'll be
clearer...

Thanks for your answers.

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Re: [freenet-support] Proposed new freenet - questions from a Freesite author

On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 04:47:54AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I viewed Ian's DEFCON presentation and though not a technical 
> expert found it fascinating. Some questions arise that might 
> concern other non-technical users of Freenet too.
> 
> 1. I don't know (i.e. can't identify) any other Freenet users. How 
> will I be able to find a set of peers?

You can use the opennet.
> 
> 2. Does needing to have one's node "always on" literally require 24 
> hour connection? I can manage a few hours (broadband) most days at 
> best.
> 
> 3. Will the identifiers of existing Freesites have to change?

SSKs might or might not change. I haven't decided yet.
> 
> 4. Will new tools for site insertion be required and if so will 
> they be made available at the same time as the new Freenet comes 
> into general use? People like me prefer interfaces such as Freesite 
> Insertion Wizard to command line driven tools.

Yes, new tools will be required. And yes, we will try to ensure they are
available close to release of the new network - we don't want half the
world's media reporting that freenet 0.7 is fast but has no content
except the porn the [favourite bogeyman] inserted! ;)
> 
> Thanks to the team for their splendid work.
> 
> Duke Morbid
> 
> /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/PussyGalore//

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Re: [freenet-support] Connection Issue

On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 01:01:35AM -0700, Jake Speed wrote:
> I had been using Freenet for about a week without an
> issue. After having to restart, Freenet would just
> keep trying to connect forever without success.

Trying to connect? What do you mean? Do you have any connections (web
interface -> open connections)? What happens normally, and what happens
now?
> 
> I have tried re-installing to no avail.
> 
> I have double checked my Firewall settings with the
> Port in the Freenet.ini file.
> 
> I can't see any reason it should have stopped being
> able to connect.
> 
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[freenet-support] Proposed new freenet - questions from a Freesite author

2005-09-19 Thread dukemorbid1

I viewed Ian's DEFCON presentation and though not a technical 
expert found it fascinating. Some questions arise that might 
concern other non-technical users of Freenet too.

1. I don't know (i.e. can't identify) any other Freenet users. How 
will I be able to find a set of peers?

2. Does needing to have one's node "always on" literally require 24 
hour connection? I can manage a few hours (broadband) most days at 
best.

3. Will the identifiers of existing Freesites have to change?

4. Will new tools for site insertion be required and if so will 
they be made available at the same time as the new Freenet comes 
into general use? People like me prefer interfaces such as Freesite 
Insertion Wizard to command line driven tools.

Thanks to the team for their splendid work.

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[freenet-support] Connection Issue

2005-09-19 Thread Jake Speed

I had been using Freenet for about a week without an
issue. After having to restart, Freenet would just
keep trying to connect forever without success.

I have tried re-installing to no avail.

I have double checked my Firewall settings with the
Port in the Freenet.ini file.

I can't see any reason it should have stopped being
able to connect.

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Re: [freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 07:52:44PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
> Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
> 
> >On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 06:36:53PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
> >
> >As far as the above goes, please read the responses to the other post.
> 
> I did. So you confirm my understanding ? 99% of current Freenet users
> won't be able to join the darknet and will have to use opennet.

In the short term, perhaps. In the West you won't need to have known
somebody for 25 years in order to trust them enough to connect to their
node; I would be happy to connect to a number of people I have never
met, who I know online. There are a few parameters here:
1. Are they an acquaintance, beyond random computer selection? We must
not connect people randomly, because routing requires a small world
graph.
2. Do you trust them enough for them to know for sure that you run a
freenet node? It may be illegal in some places, in which case you will
need to pick more carefully.
3. Do you trust them not to launch attacks on you in order to break your
anonymity? How difficult such attacks are depends on the design
decisions we make in 0.7.0, and hopefully in future they will be more
difficult, but you will always be most vulnerable to your immediate
neighbours (just as you are most vulnerable to your real life friends in
real life).
> 
> >>Suppose Freenet 0.7 becomes illegal in France (what it already is,
> >>because of the AES 256 encryption).

My understanding is that the french crypto regulations were abandoned
some time ago.

> >>The opennet won't be secure for us,
> >>but we won't be able to join the darknet. What could we do ? Keep on
> >>using 0.5 ?

Make your own darknet. :)
Then come to Bristol, take me out for a pizza, and I'll connect to your
node ;). Seriously, there needs to be some sort of relationship for the
small world properties to hold, but beyond that it's not such a big
deal.
> >
> >The opennet will probably be more secure than 0.5. But both are very
> >easy to shut down, because they can be very easily harvested - all nodes
> >can be found easily, meaning they can be blocked, attacked, etc.
> 
> That is why I'm searching a way for someone who is neither a member of
> alpha-testers/Freenet-devs, nor a very organised terrorist/paedophile to
> join the darknet.

Surprisingly enough most paedophiles are disorganized. Just like most
other people are disorganized.
> 
> Do you think it would be possible for nodes in the darknet to see what
> happens in the opennet ?
> Maybe a special kind of nodes that acts as a gateway between the 2
> networks : it wouldn't endanger the anonymity of thoses who are in the
> darknet but it would give them the ability to see the newcommers and
> eventually decide to invite them.

*Any* node on the opennet is vulnerable to being found, blocked, seized
etc. However there is no reason that content cannot be migrated from one
to the other.
> 
> My opinion is that a resistance-network has to be closed tight when war
> is on. But it needs to create itself before that. So if some people
> could choose the become some "fuses" between open and dark, the darknet
> would remain safe and be able to "recruit".

It is IMHO strategically vital that we can test the network as a pure
darknet. We will need an opennet as well, because we need to have
something for people to download from freenetproject.org.
> 
> I'm affraid that if this fonctionnality isn't enabled in Freenet, people
> will do it by other ways (internet forums, mailing-lists, weak encrypted
> emails, etc.) which are way less secure than Freenet. Or worse, some
> will decide to publish their keys and allow anyone to connect to the
> darknet through them...

In which case there will be weak segments of the darknet. That does not
undermine the whole structure. The mainstreamers can still use the
opennet. I expect there to be some cross-recruiting. But the intention
is for the darknet to be separate from the opennet. People who happen to
be on both can migrate content manually. They can also get to know
people on the opennet, and perhaps add them later. I first met Ian after
having worked for him for around a year; I have a friend in Australia who
I've never met but I would be perfectly happy to connect my node to. But
at this stage, I would happily connect to Newsbyte. Or CofE if I knew
him, but I obviously wouldn't want him to breach his carefully guarded
anonymity just for that. :)
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] The new version and UDP

Well... yeah. :| You can keep using 0.5. And there will be a TCP
transport plugin, eventually, but probably not before 0.7.0.

However in your case I rather suspect freenet 0.7.0 would just work,
even with UDP. UDP port forwarding should not normally be necessary. If
you know the IP of the other end, and it knows yours, you can connect,
unless your router is *really* whacky.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 12:34:08PM +0200, Level 13 wrote:
> I know it probably sounds silly, but for some time I've been using a
> router that doesn't support UDP port forwarding, and I probably won't
> change it any time soon... I see the 0.7 is switching from TCP to UDP.
> What happens to those unlucky users who can't use UDP? Should we just
> stop using Freenet until we get a better router / portforwarding
> support?
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Hypothetical question...

On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 10:28:49PM -0400, John Meeks wrote:
> It seems to me that finding people to communicate with (trust) is the hard
> part, and actually communicating with them is the easy part.  The opennet
> allows you to not have to trust people, since everything is anonymous, and
> thus solves the hard problem (in addition to the easy one).  The friends
> network solves the easy problem (communication) but doesn't help with the
> hard problem (finding people to trust).

No. The hard problem is providing something vaguely resembling the
internet in scale and functionality that:
a) Prevents the powerful from tracing a given information source -
author, informant, whistleblower, artist, etc. AND
b) Will still be usable even if running a freenet node is itself 
illegal, and will make it expensive to destroy the network.

The opennet is for those who don't have any friends but trust the
government. The darknet is for those who trust their friends but not the
government. Take your pick, you can't have both. The opennet is
harvestable, and always will be harvestable. Only the darknet has a
chance in a hostile environment where running a node may in itself be
dangerous.
> 
> There is one change that I think would be good:  Make it impossible to
> construct any given file from any given node.  This turns deniability into
> impossibility (ie. someone can't say "the file was on the drive, and it
> was encrypted" they can only say "part of the file was on the drive, but
> we had to get the rest off the internet to get the file").  This seems to
> have a better chance of standing up in court.  In other words, never let a
> given node hold any complete file.

This is impossible unless the node knows which files belong to which
splitfile. Which would be very bad. Well I suppose we could do some
red/black colouring or something, but it would suck, and wouldn't work
on a darknet. In any case, the real problem here is that the whole file
might be in your store because you requested it (the Register attack).
There are several possible solutions to this. The obvious darknet
solution is just to not cache the files you request (unless somebody
else asks for them). The problem is this might be detected by your
immediate neighbours; unless we take fairly extreme measures, it is
likely that your immediate friends can detect what you are browsing if
they actively attack you with e.g. correlation attacks. All solutions to
this so far appear rather difficult and expensive (slow), so we are just
ignoring the problem for 0.7.0.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Hypothetical question...

On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 08:55:01PM +, Bob wrote:
> Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> --snip--
> > No, there will be an opennet. It will probably operate on similar
> > principles to the current 0.5 network, but will be 0.7.
> > > 
> > > We could have a rotating public nodes system like we currently do with
> > > seednodes.ref, but surely this would horribly break the routing?
> > 
> > Not necessarily.
> 
> So the friend small-world thing is purely for the scalable darknet, and the
> opennet will use something like ngrouting?

No, it will use the same routing, but will probably have some level of
(slowish) path folding.
> 
> > We have state level internet censorship?

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Re: [freenet-support] rfi: FCP API for 0.7