[freenet-support] Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [Tech] Open-net
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18-665665722 > > >--Apple-Mail-18-665665722 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=US-ASCII; > delsp=yes; > format=flowed > >Opennet is a high priority, but there are a few things we must do >first (such as sort out our load balancing issues, and decide on >exactly how opennet should be implemented). > >Ian. Ok, That's understandable. Is there any kind of roughly-hoped-for-date for deploying open-net? I realize you can't nail down a date and say on x/y/z open-net will activate. I'm looking for some idea of how long it's expected to take in real-time.
[freenet-support] Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [Tech] Open-net
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18-665665722 > > >--Apple-Mail-18-665665722 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=US-ASCII; > delsp=yes; > format=flowed > >Opennet is a high priority, but there are a few things we must do >first (such as sort out our load balancing issues, and decide on >exactly how opennet should be implemented). > >Ian. Ok, That's understandable. Is there any kind of roughly-hoped-for-date for deploying open-net? I realize you can't nail down a date and say on x/y/z open-net will activate. I'm looking for some idea of how long it's expected to take in real-time. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Matthew Toseland wrote: >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8" >Content-Disposition: inline > > >--VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 06:32:35AM -, Anonymous Freenet User wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >> >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=3Dpgp-sha1; >> >protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"; boundary=3D"MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" >> >Content-Disposition: inline >>=20 >> personal note: I hate pgpmime, inline may be old fashioned, but it's more >> compatible > >It's more standards compliant. Perhaps, but useless to programs that do not understand pgp-mime. Sadly, I lack the skills to add this capability to Jack B. Nymble and I am entirely too stubborn to change software from what has worked for me for years, thus your msgs are not verifyable to me at all. >> > >> >You have to connect to a **0.7** node. Actually you have to connect to >> >several. And yes, the content is different; it's an incompatible content >> >reset. >>=20 >> This means that it's time to download all of your favorite 0.5 content and >> re-insert it in 0.7 when it becomes possible. > >Yes. >>=20 >> On a related note... >>=20 >> If I set up a new 0.7 node, get a few refs and begin inserting content. am >> I as anonymous in doing so as I am in 0.5? Is there any way to trace >> content back to the node that inserted it? > >0.5 has security problems. 0.7 has security problems. Either way you are >vulnerable primarily to those nodes you are directly connected to. Who >are far fewer in 0.7, and who you hopefully already know, in 0.7. >Whereas on 0.5 you may well be connected to the [insert bad guys]. > >Hence the darknet model is safer - at least, it's safer from a distant >adversary. It is less safe from the point of view of a personal >betrayal. And it remains an explicit goal that it be impossible to trace >the author of an insert, however if you happen to be directly connected >to them, you have a good chance of busting them with a correlation >attack or something similar, until we implement premix routing (in 0.8). > >Also there are a number of important features which are not implemented >yet, and a variety of attacks are possible. One of the big ones is that >we don't have proper encryption yet; connections are encrypted, but not >authenticated yet, so they can be MITMed or spoofed. That will be fixed >in the reasonably near future. > Thanks for the clarification. That helps my decision of what to insert where.
[freenet-support] Why is the main Download Freenet 0.7 when it's
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Matthew Toseland wrote: >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg" >Content-Disposition: inline > > >--dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >"Stable enough that updates only come a couple of times a year" ? > >That will never happen, not if I have anything to do with it, certainly >not before 1.0. > >0.5 had loads of updates. Granted there were periods when it had fewer >updates because people were concentrating on other things e.g. >simulations. > >Now, should we try to only put out one new build number a week, or every >few days? Probably, but only after 0.7 has entered the beta phase. Ok, I should rephrase "until 0.7's stability equals or exceeds that of 0.5 *and* open-net is activated" >On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 09:54:31AM -, Anonymous Freenet User wrote: >>=20 >> I agree. I am willing to experiment with 0.7, but until it is stable >> enough that updates only come a couple of times a year and open-net is >> activated, I will be keeping my main content on 0.5 >--=20 >Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org >Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ >ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > >--dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg >Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" >Content-Description: Digital signature >Content-Disposition: inline > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFEy4ygOHFIJVywduQRAk5mAKCKvmAG7uJMyLy5nBFc8LFXH9I8SwCfWHRu >E4+zIwH4Bzwg9qp34vun8xU= >=J7A9 >-END PGP SIGNATURE- > >--dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg-- > >___ >Support mailing list >Support at freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8" >Content-Disposition: inline > > >--VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 06:32:35AM -, Anonymous Freenet User wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >> >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=3Dpgp-sha1; >> >protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"; boundary=3D"MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" >> >Content-Disposition: inline >>=20 >> personal note: I hate pgpmime, inline may be old fashioned, but it's more >> compatible > >It's more standards compliant. Perhaps, but useless to programs that do not understand pgp-mime. Sadly, I lack the skills to add this capability to Jack B. Nymble and I am entirely too stubborn to change software from what has worked for me for years, thus your msgs are not verifyable to me at all. >> > >> >You have to connect to a **0.7** node. Actually you have to connect to >> >several. And yes, the content is different; it's an incompatible content >> >reset. >>=20 >> This means that it's time to download all of your favorite 0.5 content and >> re-insert it in 0.7 when it becomes possible. > >Yes. >>=20 >> On a related note... >>=20 >> If I set up a new 0.7 node, get a few refs and begin inserting content. am >> I as anonymous in doing so as I am in 0.5? Is there any way to trace >> content back to the node that inserted it? > >0.5 has security problems. 0.7 has security problems. Either way you are >vulnerable primarily to those nodes you are directly connected to. Who >are far fewer in 0.7, and who you hopefully already know, in 0.7. >Whereas on 0.5 you may well be connected to the [insert bad guys]. > >Hence the darknet model is safer - at least, it's safer from a distant >adversary. It is less safe from the point of view of a personal >betrayal. And it remains an explicit goal that it be impossible to trace >the author of an insert, however if you happen to be directly connected >to them, you have a good chance of busting them with a correlation >attack or something similar, until we implement premix routing (in 0.8). > >Also there are a number of important features which are not implemented >yet, and a variety of attacks are possible. One of the big ones is that >we don't have proper encryption yet; connections are encrypted, but not >authenticated yet, so they can be MITMed or spoofed. That will be fixed >in the reasonably near future. > Thanks for the clarification. That helps my decision of what to insert where. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Why is the main Download Freenet 0.7 when it's
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg" >Content-Disposition: inline > > >--dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >"Stable enough that updates only come a couple of times a year" ? > >That will never happen, not if I have anything to do with it, certainly >not before 1.0. > >0.5 had loads of updates. Granted there were periods when it had fewer >updates because people were concentrating on other things e.g. >simulations. > >Now, should we try to only put out one new build number a week, or every >few days? Probably, but only after 0.7 has entered the beta phase. Ok, I should rephrase "until 0.7's stability equals or exceeds that of 0.5 *and* open-net is activated" >On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 09:54:31AM -, Anonymous Freenet User wrote: >>=20 >> I agree. I am willing to experiment with 0.7, but until it is stable >> enough that updates only come a couple of times a year and open-net is >> activated, I will be keeping my main content on 0.5 >--=20 >Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ >ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > >--dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg >Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" >Content-Description: Digital signature >Content-Disposition: inline > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFEy4ygOHFIJVywduQRAk5mAKCKvmAG7uJMyLy5nBFc8LFXH9I8SwCfWHRu >E4+zIwH4Bzwg9qp34vun8xU= >=J7A9 >-END PGP SIGNATURE- > >--dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg-- > >___ >Support mailing list >Support@freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Why is the main Download Freenet 0.7 when it's
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Scruple Scruple wrote: > > Why is alpha software Freenet 0.7 being pushed onto users on the >download page? I think it better that the stable Freenet 0.5 be featured >as the preferred download. > > http://freenet.sourceforge.net/download.html > > Until Freenet 0.7 has open-net I do not think it is ready to be treated >in favor of 0.5. New users are not sticking around on 0.7 because there >are few content, finding peers harder with darknet along other problems, >bugs and continual updates. > >Pushing 0.7 onto new users in spite of it lack of maturity is in poor form. > P.S. On a related topic of reports & complains about a lack of content >on Freenet 0.7, I may have an explanation for that. I am in touch with a >number of major Freenet (0.5) content providers since I run the largest >media & content index site on Freenet 0.5 (FreeNova). Many users, >including my self, are staying with 0.5 until 0.7 proves itself. > > Scruple > I agree. I am willing to experiment with 0.7, but until it is stable enough that updates only come a couple of times a year and open-net is activated, I will be keeping my main content on 0.5
Re: [freenet-support] Why is the main Download Freenet 0.7 when it's
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Scruple Scruple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why is alpha software Freenet 0.7 being pushed onto users on the >download page? I think it better that the stable Freenet 0.5 be featured >as the preferred download. > > http://freenet.sourceforge.net/download.html > > Until Freenet 0.7 has open-net I do not think it is ready to be treated >in favor of 0.5. New users are not sticking around on 0.7 because there >are few content, finding peers harder with darknet along other problems, >bugs and continual updates. > >Pushing 0.7 onto new users in spite of it lack of maturity is in poor form. > P.S. On a related topic of reports & complains about a lack of content >on Freenet 0.7, I may have an explanation for that. I am in touch with a >number of major Freenet (0.5) content providers since I run the largest >media & content index site on Freenet 0.5 (FreeNova). Many users, >including my self, are staying with 0.5 until 0.7 proves itself. > > Scruple > I agree. I am willing to experiment with 0.7, but until it is stable enough that updates only come a couple of times a year and open-net is activated, I will be keeping my main content on 0.5 ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" >Content-Disposition: inline personal note: I hate pgpmime, inline may be old fashioned, but it's more compatible > >You have to connect to a **0.7** node. Actually you have to connect to >several. And yes, the content is different; it's an incompatible content >reset. This means that it's time to download all of your favorite 0.5 content and re-insert it in 0.7 when it becomes possible. On a related note... If I set up a new 0.7 node, get a few refs and begin inserting content. am I as anonymous in doing so as I am in 0.5? Is there any way to trace content back to the node that inserted it? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] From 0.5 to 0.7
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Matthew Toseland wrote: >!!! Unable to decode the following MIME section !!! >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" >Content-Disposition: inline personal note: I hate pgpmime, inline may be old fashioned, but it's more compatible > >You have to connect to a **0.7** node. Actually you have to connect to >several. And yes, the content is different; it's an incompatible content >reset. This means that it's time to download all of your favorite 0.5 content and re-insert it in 0.7 when it becomes possible. On a related note... If I set up a new 0.7 node, get a few refs and begin inserting content. am I as anonymous in doing so as I am in 0.5? Is there any way to trace content back to the node that inserted it?