Re: [freenet-support] I dont know if the other went through
On Thursday 17 September 2009 07:41:28 Ancoron Luciferis wrote: > Evan Daniel wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Toseland > > wrote: > >> On Monday 14 September 2009 16:46:38 adam rush wrote: > >>> hey, > >>> my name is adam and i believe in what you all are trying to > >>> accomplish but there is some major things i ran into when i tried using ur > >>> product. One thing i noticed was when i tried running it, it kept telling > >>> me > >>> i needed java which i updated to the max. why it kept telling me i needed > >>> to > >>> update it i have no idea. maybe you all can tell me why it still wouldnt > >>> work even after i updated. my second concern is that its a little > >>> complicated and throws alot at you when ur just a normal joe such as > >>> myself > >>> when you first start up. when i started running the program it started > >>> giving me all these messeges like im not running the right plug-ins right > >>> or > >>> something along those lines. i didnt know what it was talking about or how > >>> to fix um so me (bieng the average joe) would get frustrated and quit > >>> using > >>> the program (like i did). > >>> > >>> heres my idea, > >>> > >>> what if you guys didnt make it a web browser based program, > >>> like > >>> frostwire, and gave it its own browser. a seprate browser only associated > >>> to > >>> the program so it can be watched by the program. and the downloading > >>> client > >>> would be much more like frostwire so were not trying to figure it out all > >>> the time and we can enjoy your product better. so the program its self is > >>> like frostwire but the browser is seprate when we wanna start surfing the > >>> web. and the last thing is make all im gonna need to run the program be in > >>> the file when im downloading it for the first time. so i have a once a > >>> time > >>> setup then im done! quick and easy. > >>> > >>> tryin to help you out because i believe in what yall are doing, > >>> > >>> adam rush > >>> > >> The Java problem is well known, enormously serious, and has started to be > >> fixed by various vendors. On Windows, the latest version should not have > >> this problem; on Mac, OS/X 10.6 fixes the problem, 10.5 update 5 will fix > >> it when it eventually is released, on Linux it varies from distro to > >> distro (I think it was recently fixed for Ubuntu). We have disabled the > >> plugins because of this problem. That breaks a lot of things, making it > >> harder to "figure it out", but it should be fixed soon. > >> > >> ___ > >> Support mailing list > >> Support@freenetproject.org > >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >> Unsubscribe at > >> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >> Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >> > > > > Adam: Can you tell us what OS and version you're running, what > > version of Java (including what vendor) you think you have installed, > > and what version of Java Freenet reports (copy paste the entire "JVM > > Info" box from your stats page)? > > > > About the browser comment: do you object to the browser interface to > > the node? Or is it simply that you dislike having the web interface, > > and also separate programs like Frost? Would you be happier with it > > if there was one main interface, and that interface was an improved / > > expanded version of the current web interface? If so, do you have > > specific changes you would like to see to that web interface? Thanks > > for the feedback! > > > > Toad: Apple has released updates to 10.5. My 10.5 laptop has > > installed, through the normal software update process, 1.6.0_15 and > > 1.5.0_20. (Freenet seems to default to using 1.5 instead of 1.6, but > > that's a different problem...) > > > > Evan Daniel > > Hint: Java 1.5 is going EOL at October 30th! > > So Freenet should at least after that date default to Java 6. > Additionally has the OpenJDK being tested already? OpenJDK runs on OS/X? 1.6 is installed by default on Windows, the 1.5 preference seems to be a mac wrapper bug. > > One of the problems Adam talks about is related to the way how the Sun > Java is installed by default on Windows I think. If you just click > through it will create a completely new Installation in a separate > Folder instead of "updating" the installed one. So if Freenet starts up > the first time before the "update" it will have the Folder of the old > version (and I bet that folder is just being used after a restart of > Freenet). So if there is a problem related to the Java version supposed > to be used it could make sense to present a dialog to the user > explaining the warning and giving him/her the opportunity to browse for > another Java installation. Not our problem, Sun's problem. However one thing it might be is that on 64-bit windows we install a 32-bit JVM. > > Most Linux distros (at least debian-b
Re: [freenet-support] I dont know if the other went through
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Evan Daniel wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: >> On Monday 14 September 2009 16:46:38 adam rush wrote: >>> hey, >>> my name is adam and i believe in what you all are trying to >>> accomplish but there is some major things i ran into when i tried using ur >>> product. One thing i noticed was when i tried running it, it kept telling me >>> i needed java which i updated to the max. why it kept telling me i needed to >>> update it i have no idea. maybe you all can tell me why it still wouldnt >>> work even after i updated. my second concern is that its a little >>> complicated and throws alot at you when ur just a normal joe such as myself >>> when you first start up. when i started running the program it started >>> giving me all these messeges like im not running the right plug-ins right or >>> something along those lines. i didnt know what it was talking about or how >>> to fix um so me (bieng the average joe) would get frustrated and quit using >>> the program (like i did). >>> >>> heres my idea, >>> >>> what if you guys didnt make it a web browser based program, like >>> frostwire, and gave it its own browser. a seprate browser only associated to >>> the program so it can be watched by the program. and the downloading client >>> would be much more like frostwire so were not trying to figure it out all >>> the time and we can enjoy your product better. so the program its self is >>> like frostwire but the browser is seprate when we wanna start surfing the >>> web. and the last thing is make all im gonna need to run the program be in >>> the file when im downloading it for the first time. so i have a once a time >>> setup then im done! quick and easy. >>> >>> tryin to help you out because i believe in what yall are doing, >>> >>> adam rush >>> >> The Java problem is well known, enormously serious, and has started to be >> fixed by various vendors. On Windows, the latest version should not have >> this problem; on Mac, OS/X 10.6 fixes the problem, 10.5 update 5 will fix it >> when it eventually is released, on Linux it varies from distro to distro (I >> think it was recently fixed for Ubuntu). We have disabled the plugins >> because of this problem. That breaks a lot of things, making it harder to >> "figure it out", but it should be fixed soon. >> >> ___ >> Support mailing list >> Support@freenetproject.org >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >> Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >> Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >> > > Adam: Can you tell us what OS and version you're running, what > version of Java (including what vendor) you think you have installed, > and what version of Java Freenet reports (copy paste the entire "JVM > Info" box from your stats page)? > > About the browser comment: do you object to the browser interface to > the node? Or is it simply that you dislike having the web interface, > and also separate programs like Frost? Would you be happier with it > if there was one main interface, and that interface was an improved / > expanded version of the current web interface? If so, do you have > specific changes you would like to see to that web interface? Thanks > for the feedback! > > Toad: Apple has released updates to 10.5. My 10.5 laptop has > installed, through the normal software update process, 1.6.0_15 and > 1.5.0_20. (Freenet seems to default to using 1.5 instead of 1.6, but > that's a different problem...) > > Evan Daniel > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > Hint: Java 1.5 is going EOL at October 30th! So Freenet should at least after that date default to Java 6. Additionally has the OpenJDK being tested already? One of the problems Adam talks about is related to the way how the Sun Java is installed by default on Windows I think. If you just click through it will create a completely new Installation in a separate Folder instead of "updating" the installed one. So if Freenet starts up the first time before the "update" it will have the Folder of the old version (and I bet that folder is just being used after a restart of Freenet). So if there is a problem related to the Java version supposed to be used it could make sense to present a dialog to the user explaining the warning and giving him/her the opportunity to browse for another Java installation. Most Linux distros (at least debian-based ones) don't have such problems because they use symlinks to always point to the latest version of all installed Java 6, 1.5, 1.4, ... like this: lrwxrwxrwx /usr/bin/java -> /
Re: [freenet-support] I dont know if the other went through
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Monday 14 September 2009 16:46:38 adam rush wrote: >> hey, >> my name is adam and i believe in what you all are trying to >> accomplish but there is some major things i ran into when i tried using ur >> product. One thing i noticed was when i tried running it, it kept telling me >> i needed java which i updated to the max. why it kept telling me i needed to >> update it i have no idea. maybe you all can tell me why it still wouldnt >> work even after i updated. my second concern is that its a little >> complicated and throws alot at you when ur just a normal joe such as myself >> when you first start up. when i started running the program it started >> giving me all these messeges like im not running the right plug-ins right or >> something along those lines. i didnt know what it was talking about or how >> to fix um so me (bieng the average joe) would get frustrated and quit using >> the program (like i did). >> >> heres my idea, >> >> what if you guys didnt make it a web browser based program, like >> frostwire, and gave it its own browser. a seprate browser only associated to >> the program so it can be watched by the program. and the downloading client >> would be much more like frostwire so were not trying to figure it out all >> the time and we can enjoy your product better. so the program its self is >> like frostwire but the browser is seprate when we wanna start surfing the >> web. and the last thing is make all im gonna need to run the program be in >> the file when im downloading it for the first time. so i have a once a time >> setup then im done! quick and easy. >> >> tryin to help you out because i believe in what yall are doing, >> >> adam rush >> > The Java problem is well known, enormously serious, and has started to be > fixed by various vendors. On Windows, the latest version should not have this > problem; on Mac, OS/X 10.6 fixes the problem, 10.5 update 5 will fix it when > it eventually is released, on Linux it varies from distro to distro (I think > it was recently fixed for Ubuntu). We have disabled the plugins because of > this problem. That breaks a lot of things, making it harder to "figure it > out", but it should be fixed soon. > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > Adam: Can you tell us what OS and version you're running, what version of Java (including what vendor) you think you have installed, and what version of Java Freenet reports (copy paste the entire "JVM Info" box from your stats page)? About the browser comment: do you object to the browser interface to the node? Or is it simply that you dislike having the web interface, and also separate programs like Frost? Would you be happier with it if there was one main interface, and that interface was an improved / expanded version of the current web interface? If so, do you have specific changes you would like to see to that web interface? Thanks for the feedback! Toad: Apple has released updates to 10.5. My 10.5 laptop has installed, through the normal software update process, 1.6.0_15 and 1.5.0_20. (Freenet seems to default to using 1.5 instead of 1.6, but that's a different problem...) Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] I dont know if the other went through
On Monday 14 September 2009 16:46:38 adam rush wrote: > hey, > my name is adam and i believe in what you all are trying to > accomplish but there is some major things i ran into when i tried using ur > product. One thing i noticed was when i tried running it, it kept telling me > i needed java which i updated to the max. why it kept telling me i needed to > update it i have no idea. maybe you all can tell me why it still wouldnt > work even after i updated. my second concern is that its a little > complicated and throws alot at you when ur just a normal joe such as myself > when you first start up. when i started running the program it started > giving me all these messeges like im not running the right plug-ins right or > something along those lines. i didnt know what it was talking about or how > to fix um so me (bieng the average joe) would get frustrated and quit using > the program (like i did). > > heres my idea, > > what if you guys didnt make it a web browser based program, like > frostwire, and gave it its own browser. a seprate browser only associated to > the program so it can be watched by the program. and the downloading client > would be much more like frostwire so were not trying to figure it out all > the time and we can enjoy your product better. so the program its self is > like frostwire but the browser is seprate when we wanna start surfing the > web. and the last thing is make all im gonna need to run the program be in > the file when im downloading it for the first time. so i have a once a time > setup then im done! quick and easy. > > tryin to help you out because i believe in what yall are doing, > > adam rush > The Java problem is well known, enormously serious, and has started to be fixed by various vendors. On Windows, the latest version should not have this problem; on Mac, OS/X 10.6 fixes the problem, 10.5 update 5 will fix it when it eventually is released, on Linux it varies from distro to distro (I think it was recently fixed for Ubuntu). We have disabled the plugins because of this problem. That breaks a lot of things, making it harder to "figure it out", but it should be fixed soon. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] I dont know if the other went through
hey, my name is adam and i believe in what you all are trying to accomplish but there is some major things i ran into when i tried using ur product. One thing i noticed was when i tried running it, it kept telling me i needed java which i updated to the max. why it kept telling me i needed to update it i have no idea. maybe you all can tell me why it still wouldnt work even after i updated. my second concern is that its a little complicated and throws alot at you when ur just a normal joe such as myself when you first start up. when i started running the program it started giving me all these messeges like im not running the right plug-ins right or something along those lines. i didnt know what it was talking about or how to fix um so me (bieng the average joe) would get frustrated and quit using the program (like i did). heres my idea, what if you guys didnt make it a web browser based program, like frostwire, and gave it its own browser. a seprate browser only associated to the program so it can be watched by the program. and the downloading client would be much more like frostwire so were not trying to figure it out all the time and we can enjoy your product better. so the program its self is like frostwire but the browser is seprate when we wanna start surfing the web. and the last thing is make all im gonna need to run the program be in the file when im downloading it for the first time. so i have a once a time setup then im done! quick and easy. tryin to help you out because i believe in what yall are doing, adam rush ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
