Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 22.09.2010 00:40, Philip Chee wrote: --- Original Message --- On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:25:24 -0500, Jay Garcia wrote: Look at the list of devs (module owners) here: http://www.mozilla.org/about/owners.html For SeaMonkey specific developers perhaps it would be better to look at: http://dev.seamonkey.at/?d=xi=projectm=ff.level=1 Phil Yes, re SM but Phillip was making a general mis-statement about devs in general so I just provided him with list in general to peruse. :-) Either way he'll be out of touch for quite some time now that there are two lists. :-D -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Philip Chee schrieb: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:25:24 -0500, Jay Garcia wrote: Look at the list of devs (module owners) here: http://www.mozilla.org/about/owners.html For SeaMonkey specific developers perhaps it would be better to look at: http://dev.seamonkey.at/?d=xi=projectm=ff.level=1 Phew, and I had hoped to not have this URL spread to widely because I have no clue what heavy hitting it and its links will do to the server - and when you publish it here, Google and others will probably go and follow every link to index it... Also, note that this is just an automated statistics tool, not an official directory for module owners or peers. We will update the project areas list that should act as that, we have planned a session for doing that in the upcoming SeaMonkey Developer Meeting in October. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why so many up-grades?
MintyJewel schrieb: Can you please explain ( to confused little me ) why there are so many massive overhauls? The updates that get applied automatically are only security and stability fixes, not massive overhauls. Those should never break anything, and any add-ons from the official SeaMonkey add-ons site should work just as well before and after those minor updates. Massive upgrades to new versions will never be done automatically (we are not Google, who are crazy enough to do that for Chrome) but only after asking you if you want to upgrade. Also, those are pretty rare, probably not more than one per year. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Le 22 septembre 2010, Robert Kaiser a écrit : Phew, and I had hoped to not have this URL spread to widely because I have no clue what heavy hitting it and its links will do to the server - and when you publish it here, Google and others will probably go and follow every link to index it... There exist HTML meta tags telling bots not to index and even not to follow links. Do you think Google and others don't honor them? -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
What I've done on my laptop is set up another SMTP server in my mail and
news account settings, and when (for example) connecting through
Verizon, who are not my normal ISP, I make that my default SMTP server
(the setup for that SMTP server has to include a Verizon username and
password). But when I'm at a location where the ISP doesn't care, I go
on using the SMTP server I would normally use.
I'm not completely clear on this.
You mean that when I am at the coffee shop and am using their Wifi I
would need to ID their server and add it in order to send E-mails?
The same with the Dunkin Donuts, the library, the airport, etc?
I have not had to do this before and have never heard of the need
to do this before.
Has something changed so that everyone needs to do this in SM now?
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Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
NoOp wrote: On 09/17/2010 07:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) even though the installer never said it was setting things up for automatic upgrade, and I never explicitly gave permission for SeaMonkey to make changes like that to my machine. I don't recall--how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? (A higher-level question: (Unless I somehow missed a clear notification at installation time,) why the heck was SeaMonkey changed to make changes to the user's software configuration without explicit permission and prior notification? That is NOT trustworthy behavior. I'd expect that from Microsoft or Adobe or something.) See this thread: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me! 07/25/2010 Note my comments in that thread... I suspect that this is one of the reasons for the 'fire drill' transition from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8; auto update contributed to the skyrocketed the crash stats. IMO it *is* a security issue so I've disabled all SM autoupdates on all of my machines as well as my customer/relative/friend/enemy machines. Also see: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_Update http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.7 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.8 I've turned my auto updates off too, because of the problems I've developed since 2.06. If it wasn't so much trouble I would go back to 2.06. My problem isn't crashes, just increasing nuisances with mail and news composing and sending, where I spend most of my time. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote:
Lucas Levrel wrote:
---snip---
Do you think Google and others don't honor them?
A resounding YES!!
I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for
an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the
members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has
a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites.
I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them.
I agree that Google is an enemy of privacy, and of freedom itself, in
some fundamental ways - their leadership is way out of control.
As for Captcha, I seem to recall that there are some Google-free
alternatives.
BTW: I wonder if anyone has created a Web page logo something like
Another Google-free Web page linked to a site that lists all of
the anti-privacy and anti-freedom activities of Google?
I'd sure add it to my sites.
I use http://startpage.com, clusty.com, yippy.com, and other
google-free search engines. I don't miss anything by doing so.
I never google, I search!
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Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
chicagofan wrote: NoOp wrote: On 09/17/2010 07:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) even though the installer never said it was setting things up for automatic upgrade, and I never explicitly gave permission for SeaMonkey to make changes like that to my machine. I don't recall--how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? (A higher-level question: (Unless I somehow missed a clear notification at installation time,) why the heck was SeaMonkey changed to make changes to the user's software configuration without explicit permission and prior notification? That is NOT trustworthy behavior. I'd expect that from Microsoft or Adobe or something.) See this thread: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me! 07/25/2010 Note my comments in that thread... I suspect that this is one of the reasons for the 'fire drill' transition from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8; auto update contributed to the skyrocketed the crash stats. IMO it *is* a security issue so I've disabled all SM autoupdates on all of my machines as well as my customer/relative/friend/enemy machines. Also see: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_Update http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.7 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.8 I've turned my auto updates off too, because of the problems I've developed since 2.06. If it wasn't so much trouble I would go back to 2.06. My problem isn't crashes, just increasing nuisances with mail and news composing and sending, where I spend most of my time. bj Its not that much trouble to go back (at least on Mac - on PC it most likely a PIA) On Mac Locate the SeaMonkey 2.0.6 download, down load it. Next move 2.0.7 to Trash but don't empty as yet. now open the .dmg file and drag the Icon of SeaMonkey to icon of the application folder. The Application will be installed Open SeaMonkey and your good to go. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why so many up-grades?
Robert Kaiser wrote: MintyJewel schrieb: Can you please explain ( to confused little me ) why there are so many massive overhauls? The updates that get applied automatically are only security and stability fixes, not massive overhauls. Those should never break anything, and any add-ons from the official SeaMonkey add-ons site should work just as well before and after those minor updates. Massive upgrades to new versions will never be done automatically (we are not Google, who are crazy enough to do that for Chrome) but only after asking you if you want to upgrade. Also, those are pretty rare, probably not more than one per year. Robert Kaiser I've seen twice recently where SeaMonkey installed totally new application not just patched current install. both on 2.0.5 and 2.0.7 first it went through Update and said update failed after normal download time. Then a window came up do you wish to try again. The second time around the entire program download and installed without my saying so -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0.8 on XP consuming CPU after exit?
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Re: Cannot send except at home
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Has something changed so that everyone needs to do this in SM now? No. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Restore snip: There exist HTML meta tags telling bots not to index and even not to follow links. Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! Phillip, your paranoia is showing again. Google, and all the major respectable search engines, observe the noindex, nofollow attributes. I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. Still more paranoia. You will need to explain or cite how an association's site CAPTCHA could be used to break into secure sites. Start with *which* secure sites. List URLs, please. A CAPTCHA is just an image of a distorted group of characters... I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google-free SM [Was: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available]
So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names?
Steal their bank accounts?
Have you heard the pompous declarations of the head of Google?
That soon people will not ask Google merely for information
but will rely upon them for direction because Google has gathered
so much data about them over so long a period of time that they
know more about them than they do.
If that does not frighten you then I have to guess that you are
missing his intent.
This is a dangerous man with too much money and power and too
many resources.
It has nothing to do with paranoia, it has to do with the
application of clear thinking to a clear and present danger
to privacy and to freedom.
Orwell's 1984 may be a few decades late but according to Google
they are about to make it into a reality is ways one may have
to morph 1984 and The Matrix to contemplate.
There is a reason Google is being investigated and sued by
government agencies around the world.
Let's not be blind - history is replete with the terrible
consequences resulting from ignoring obvious threats to
freedom.
No one *needs* Google - so since they have clearly stated their
intend to invade privacy and to attack freedom how about we just
make our own decision to part company with them?
It's not hard.
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Re: Cannot send except at home
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: What I've done on my laptop is set up another SMTP server in my mail and news account settings, and when (for example) connecting through Verizon, who are not my normal ISP, I make that my default SMTP server (the setup for that SMTP server has to include a Verizon username and password). But when I'm at a location where the ISP doesn't care, I go on using the SMTP server I would normally use. I'm not completely clear on this. You mean that when I am at the coffee shop and am using their Wifi I would need to ID their server and add it in order to send E-mails? I don't know; requirements vary from ISP to ISP. I just threw that out as a possibility that might account for your experience. The same with the Dunkin Donuts, the library, the airport, etc? I have not had to do this before and have never heard of the need to do this before. Has something changed so that everyone needs to do this in SM now? Nothing specific to SM. But from what little I've heard -- experts welcome to jump in here -- some ISPs think this is a strategy to block spammers. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Restore snip: There exist HTML meta tags telling bots not to index and even not to follow links. Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! Phillip, your paranoia is showing again. Google, and all the major respectable search engines, observe the noindex, nofollow attributes. I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. Still more paranoia. You will need to explain or cite how an association's site CAPTCHA could be used to break into secure sites. Start with *which* secure sites. List URLs, please. A CAPTCHA is just an image of a distorted group of characters... I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. The CEO of Google has said in articles reported on cNet, Zdnet, and Computerworld, that viewer/user/Consumer security and Privacy, is of no interest what so ever to Google, the dissemination of information only is their only concern. If you believe in a man's word is his Bond and handshake on a deal is sufficient. Your 40 years behind times. Anyone, companies, individuals are out to take advantage of you if they get the chance and you let them. Today money is king and nothing else matters. Dunto others, before they do it unto you. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 21.09.2010 16:40, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 21.09.2010 10:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in short: 1. Create an option named Reply-header-like-forward and use it when replying to a mail is this way: If Reply-header-like-forward is true then callforward-header-composition; --- If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try. That is not programming steps needed to upgrade the module(s) necessary to effect the change(s). If it's that simple then do it. If someone told me not to do it, but how i can participate for the coding i can try to implement it. Go for it, your contribution will be most appreciated. I have readed ... : https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites And my conclusion, is that i give up - i will not be able to install what is needed to perform this little modification :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Ray_Net wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message ... These SM folders are actually files that can be opened with a text editor. ... you can then search the file contents for something in the message or header, then copy the message and paste and access it elsewhere. If the file has an attachment, it will be in mime format and follow the message header and message text. The mime can be copied to a new text file, saved and then decoded with a utility such as uuDeview Hope that this information is of value. Yes ... but not an easy way :-) Remember that the easy way (once you know how to edit the file without making any unintentional changes) is to find the X-Mozilla-Status: line for the appropriate message and change the fourth digit of the hexadecimal status code from '8' to '0', from '9' to '1', from 'a' to '2', from 'b' to '3', from 'c' to '4', from 'd' to '5', from 'e' to '6', or from 'f' to '7'. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
ZoomText and SeaMonkey
Hi Everybody, I want to let you know that I got a new screen magnification/Reader called is ZoomText version 9.18 from my Blind state agency. I tried composing a message, but sadly, it didn't detect a cursor. I contacted ZoomText staff at their Facebook. Someone told me that I would try hitting CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+D to detect a cursor and to save an application. But, unfortunately, after I hit 4 combined keys, it reported to me with an error, which, it said: No application cursor detected, cannot save... I reported back to Facebook page. Someone advised to give SeaMonkey a ring. So, let me ask you. For the Developers: Can you please make SeaMonkey magnification/Reader accessible? I would more than appreciate your help in making ZoomText more accessible. If you need more information, please let me know. Many thanks for your help! Johnny :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 22.09.2010 13:54, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! Well, you're wrong, they do. I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
On 9/22/2010 11:50 AM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: You mean that when I am at the coffee shop and am using their Wifi I would need to ID their server and add it in order to send E-mails? The same with the Dunkin Donuts, the library, the airport, etc? Most likely, yes. I have not had to do this before and have never heard of the need to do this before. Perhaps you're ISP never required this before? Has something changed so that everyone needs to do this in SM now? Nothing has changed in SeaMonkey to affect this. Check with your ISP. Most (all?) that I've dealt with do not allow anyone that is not on their network to use their SMTP server. Some will allow as long as you authenticate. It's a spam reduction issue (and I suppose a denial of service issue, etc.). To find out if your ISP allows this at all, and how they want you to authenticate, you will need to check with them. ... just don't tell them you're using SeaMonkey - they will likely just clam up at that point and refuse to help. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
Mark Hansen wrote:
Perhaps you're ISP never required this before?
Only one of the three E-mail accounts have anything to
do with my ISP.
The other two are hosted entirely apart from my ISP, one
on the GoDaddy servers and one on another smaller server.
This eliminates my ISP as the source of the problem.
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Re: ZoomText and SeaMonkey
I want to let you know that I got a new screen magnification/Reader called is ZoomText version 9.18 from my Blind state agency. Thanks for the post. It is helpful to get input on needs that most of us cannot comprehend. It would help if you posted some additional information including; Your Operating System Your Monitor size Your Video settings (pixel size) Seamonkey version Physical Size (the height of characters) the text needs to be for you to easily read it. Can you please make SeaMonkey magnification/Reader accessible? Within SeaMonkey, the text size is controlled by Ctrl + and Ctrl -) Unfortunately, most website designs do not allow large text to display gracefully. Your magnifier should run above SeaMonkey and other applications. It sounds like it would be helpful to have someone familiar with the program configure it on your computer while you watch and learn. There are other magnifiers available depending on your system, but, they may not be sufficient for your needs. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why so many up-grades?
Phillip Jones schrieb: I've seen twice recently where SeaMonkey installed totally new application not just patched current install. both on 2.0.5 and 2.0.7 Both those have just stability and security changes over their predecessors. The way it's installed doesn't way anything to do with being a minor update or major new version. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
d...@kd4e.com d...@kd4e.com wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: Perhaps you're ISP never required this before? Only one of the three E-mail accounts have anything to do with my ISP. The other two are hosted entirely apart from my ISP, one on the GoDaddy servers and one on another smaller server. This eliminates my ISP as the source of the problem. Maybe, maybe not. If you want help, you need to post some details about about the accounts that are not working, and both the incoming and outgoing server settings. Then maybe you can get some specific advice. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google-free SM [Was: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available]
d...@kd4e.com d...@kd4e.com wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? Have you heard the pompous declarations of the head of Google? That soon people will not ask Google merely for information but will rely upon them for direction because Google has gathered so much data about them over so long a period of time that they know more about them than they do. If that does not frighten you then I have to guess that you are missing his intent. This is a dangerous man with too much money and power and too many resources. It has nothing to do with paranoia, it has to do with the application of clear thinking to a clear and present danger to privacy and to freedom. Orwell's 1984 may be a few decades late but according to Google they are about to make it into a reality is ways one may have to morph 1984 and The Matrix to contemplate. There is a reason Google is being investigated and sued by government agencies around the world. Let's not be blind - history is replete with the terrible consequences resulting from ignoring obvious threats to freedom. No one *needs* Google - so since they have clearly stated their intend to invade privacy and to attack freedom how about we just make our own decision to part company with them? It's not hard. Could you provide a link to these comments, so that we might read and judge for ourselves? Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.8 on XP consuming CPU after exit?
u...@domain.invalid wrote: Running SeaMonkey 2.0.8 under Windows XP SP3 (long time SM user). When I exit SeaMonkey by closing all the windows or using the Exit menu item), the Seamonkey process continues to run invisibly and consumes about 1/2 of the CPU to no worthwhile effect that I can see. I terminate this errant process with Task Manager. It's probably not a good idea to do that. When SeaMonkey closes down, it writes changes to it's configuration files, such as prefs.js and others. By aborting this early, you are not allowing it to complete these cleanup tasks. By the way, could you add a standard sig delimiter to your posts, so that we do not have to strip your sig manually, as I have done here? Thanks! Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google-free SM [Was: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available]
That soon people will not ask Google merely for information
but will rely upon them for direction because Google has gathered
so much data about them over so long a period of time that they
know more about them than they do.
Orwell's 1984 may be a few decades late but according to Google
they are about to make it into a reality is ways one may have
to morph 1984 and The Matrix to contemplate.
Could you provide a link to these comments, so that we might read and
judge for ourselves?
Lee
It was all over the tech news as well as FoxNews online and Drudge -
it was pretty hard to miss - he made a big splash.
A quick http://startpage.com Search brought up this:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread601623/pg1
I imagine there is much more out there, including I'd expect some
parodies on YouTube and the like.
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Re: Cannot send except at home
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: What I've done on my laptop is set up another SMTP server in my mail and news account settings, and when (for example) connecting through Verizon, who are not my normal ISP, I make that my default SMTP server (the setup for that SMTP server has to include a Verizon username and password). But when I'm at a location where the ISP doesn't care, I go on using the SMTP server I would normally use. I'm not completely clear on this. You mean that when I am at the coffee shop and am using their Wifi I would need to ID their server and add it in order to send E-mails? The same with the Dunkin Donuts, the library, the airport, etc? I have not had to do this before and have never heard of the need to do this before. Has something changed so that everyone needs to do this in SM now? I never had a problem until my ISP changed to secure and required authentication from me, so it is your ISP. -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ZoomText and SeaMonkey
Beverly Howard wrote: Your Operating System Windows XP Services Pack 3 Your Monitor size 21 inches Your Video settings (pixel size) 800 X 600 Seamonkey version 2.0.8 Physical Size (the height of characters) the text needs to be for you to easily read it. SeaMonkey's default value is Variable Width at 10 pts. [Except for the News Newsgroups set to Fixed Width in Plain Text composition] And, for ZoomText, my preferred screen magnification is 10X that would make it look like it would be 22 or 24 font size, but SeaMonkey is really set to 10 points. Thanks very much! Johnny :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. there are sections of website the association wants everyone to see. But then there would be one section the Members-Only section should be hidden from view of Google and other items such as Yahoo , Altavista an so on. using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. there are sections of website the association wants everyone to see. Great. The public part of the web site. But then there would be one section the Members-Only section should be hidden from view of Google and other items such as Yahoo , Altavista an so on. Yeah, search engines. Great. What about non-members? using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google-free SM [Was: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available]
d...@kd4e.com wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? Have you heard the pompous declarations of the head of Google? http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/forwhati.htm -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Only in America are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
