Re: Probably a dumb question....

[Paul B. Gallagher]

DoctorBill wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


I frequent a certain Automotive Forum.

If I am on that forum and go to "work off line" and hang up,
then come back maybe 30 minutes later, go "online" and redial,
would that forum still be active - or would I have to re-log in ?

If my browser is still on that forum does it just continue where
I left off

If that were to work, I could frequent the Forum w/o keeping the
phone line tied up.


Depends on the site's cookie policy.

Sites that require login generally set a cookie that they can read 
whenever they need to verify that you've logged in. If you clear 
cookies or close your browser (which may well clear cookies if that's 
the way you've set your prefs), the site will fail to read the 
nonexistent cookie and require you to log in again. But generally just 
sitting there (online or offlien) will not clear the cookie. And if 
you have SeaMonkey set to leave cookies alone on close, you can 
probably close and reopen it with no problem.


However, some sites have policies that defeat this approach. Many 
financial sites will clear cookies after nn minutes of inactivity as a 
security measure. And one of my favorite public-records sites clears 
all cookies at 1 AM every night and requires me to re-sign their 
disclaimer.




Wait a minute! - I can set my prefs to clear (or not) the cookies ?!

How?

Most interested.


Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Cookies

Under "Cookie Retention Policy," if you choose "Accept for current 
session only," all cookies will be cleared whenever you close SeaMonkey 
(same as with Mozilla before it).


If you allow sites to set longer-lived cookies, many of them will, and 
those that do will survive a shutdown.


There are additional settings under the buttons "View Privacy Settings" 
and "Cookie Manager." For example, the site scammer.com may have an 
acceptable policy as defined in your privacy settings, but if you still 
want to reject their cookies, you can overrule the policy with the 
Cookie Manager and specify that this particular site can never set a cookie.


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Re: Probably a dumb question....

[David E. Ross]

On 8/5/2009 3:02 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
> I frequent a certain Automotive Forum.
> 
> If I am on that forum and go to "work off line" and hang up,
> then come back maybe 30 minutes later, go "online" and redial,
> would that forum still be active - or would I have to re-log in ?
> 
> If my browser is still on that forum does it just continue where
> I left off
> 
> If that were to work, I could frequent the Forum w/o keeping the
> phone line tied up.
> 
> DoctorBill

Some sites that require a login will record your IP address (e.g., in a
cookie).  From a dial-up connection, you are likely to get a different
IP address when you login again.  This could invalidate your session.

This can be a problem even if you disconnect for just a few seconds.
That is, if your connection dies and you immediately reconnect, you
might get a new IP address and have to login again.

Some sites provide a checkbox on their login page that says something
like "Restrict this session to this IP address".  I never check that box.

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: Probably a dumb question....

[DoctorBill]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


I frequent a certain Automotive Forum.

If I am on that forum and go to "work off line" and hang up,
then come back maybe 30 minutes later, go "online" and redial,
would that forum still be active - or would I have to re-log in ?

If my browser is still on that forum does it just continue where
I left off

If that were to work, I could frequent the Forum w/o keeping the
phone line tied up.


Depends on the site's cookie policy.

Sites that require login generally set a cookie that they can read 
whenever they need to verify that you've logged in. If you clear cookies 
or close your browser (which may well clear cookies if that's the way 
you've set your prefs), the site will fail to read the nonexistent 
cookie and require you to log in again. But generally just sitting there 
(online or offlien) will not clear the cookie. And if you have SeaMonkey 
set to leave cookies alone on close, you can probably close and reopen 
it with no problem.


However, some sites have policies that defeat this approach. Many 
financial sites will clear cookies after nn minutes of inactivity as a 
security measure. And one of my favorite public-records sites clears all 
cookies at 1 AM every night and requires me to re-sign their disclaimer.




Wait a minute! - I can set my prefs to clear (or not) the cookies ?!

How?

Most interested.

DoctorBill
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Re: Probably a dumb question....

[Paul B. Gallagher]

DoctorBill wrote:


I frequent a certain Automotive Forum.

If I am on that forum and go to "work off line" and hang up,
then come back maybe 30 minutes later, go "online" and redial,
would that forum still be active - or would I have to re-log in ?

If my browser is still on that forum does it just continue where
I left off

If that were to work, I could frequent the Forum w/o keeping the
phone line tied up.


Depends on the site's cookie policy.

Sites that require login generally set a cookie that they can read 
whenever they need to verify that you've logged in. If you clear cookies 
or close your browser (which may well clear cookies if that's the way 
you've set your prefs), the site will fail to read the nonexistent 
cookie and require you to log in again. But generally just sitting there 
(online or offlien) will not clear the cookie. And if you have SeaMonkey 
set to leave cookies alone on close, you can probably close and reopen 
it with no problem.


However, some sites have policies that defeat this approach. Many 
financial sites will clear cookies after nn minutes of inactivity as a 
security measure. And one of my favorite public-records sites clears all 
cookies at 1 AM every night and requires me to re-sign their disclaimer.


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Re: Probably a dumb question....

[DoctorBill]

Paul Hartman wrote:

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:02 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

I frequent a certain Automotive Forum.

If I am on that forum and go to "work off line" and hang up,
then come back maybe 30 minutes later, go "online" and redial,
would that forum still be active - or would I have to re-log in ?

If my browser is still on that forum does it just continue where
I left off

If that were to work, I could frequent the Forum w/o keeping the
phone line tied up.


I think it'd work fine as long as you don't try to click anything. If
you just leave the browser open while disconnected from the internet
it shouldn't be any different than leaving it sitting there when you
are connected.


I'll probably get told I should the experiment...

Which I did and Low and Behold - it worked !

I don't know why I had not thought of this before...

This allows me to essentially stay on a website (which isn't timed like 
banks, etc) for very long periods of time w/o logging in over and over


Neat.

DoctorBill
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Re: Probably a dumb question....

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:02 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
> I frequent a certain Automotive Forum.
>
> If I am on that forum and go to "work off line" and hang up,
> then come back maybe 30 minutes later, go "online" and redial,
> would that forum still be active - or would I have to re-log in ?
>
> If my browser is still on that forum does it just continue where
> I left off
>
> If that were to work, I could frequent the Forum w/o keeping the
> phone line tied up.

I think it'd work fine as long as you don't try to click anything. If
you just leave the browser open while disconnected from the internet
it shouldn't be any different than leaving it sitting there when you
are connected.
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Probably a dumb question....

[DoctorBill]

I frequent a certain Automotive Forum.

If I am on that forum and go to "work off line" and hang up,
then come back maybe 30 minutes later, go "online" and redial,
would that forum still be active - or would I have to re-log in ?

If my browser is still on that forum does it just continue where
I left off

If that were to work, I could frequent the Forum w/o keeping the
phone line tied up.

DoctorBill
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