[Sursound] Binaural Via Ambisonic

If you want to record binaural using ambisonic microphones, have a look at the two Bilateral Ambisonic technical papers from Zamir Ben Hur, David Alon et. al. With two second- or higher-order microphones, you can get very high quality recordings and playback.

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

On 2021-03-05, Ralph Glasgal wrote: Checkout the AES papers at www.ambiophonics.org. But basically if you have a front pair that was recorded with accurate values of ITD and ILD and a rear pair isolated from the front that also has accurate ITD and ILD then you can have a full circles of

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

On 2021-03-05, Ralph Glasgal wrote: Well, I think 2.0, 4.0, 5.1, etc. sources can be spatialized using Ambiophonics which is not just for audiophiles but for video sound tracks and any form of industrial surround localization. Certainly, and I'm known to like the technique. I'm also known

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

On 2021-03-05, Augustine Leudar wrote: You can try Spats Transaural thing. [...] Theoretically you cannot gather any more information from a static binaural recording than the first and second spherical harmonics. W and X. Dynamically, and using something like onset-offset-thinking, and

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

On 2021-03-04, Marc Lavallée wrote: Mike, I already know how to use the ATK kernels in custom applications (a bit of convolution and the job is done). It's not quite that easy. Going from FOA (especially HOA) to binaural is rather easy, since you only have to average over the spherical

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

On 2021-03-04, Augustine Leudar wrote: So I wondered; is there a method to "convert" binaural to horizontal-only FOA? Jumping in, after the fact. *If you know the transfer function which led to the binaural rendition, especially in movement, you essentially have in your hands an "infinite

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

are not the same. Ralph -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Marc Lavallée Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 2:47 PM To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA? Yes, I know about ambiophonics... But ambiophonics would not work

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 2:42 AM Fons Adriaensen wrote: > That said, not all is lost. > > Conversion from binaural to stereo is possible using > something similar to > > < > http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-bls1-doc/quickguide.html > > Fons, it's nice to see a practical

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

good mono. Regards, Ralph Glasgal -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Hunt Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 6:44 AM To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA? Hi Marc, Yes, this is very difficult to do properly

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

Ciao, Dave Hunt On 4 Mar 2021, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: From: Marc Lavallée Subject: [Sursound] binaural to FOA? Date: 4 March 2021 at 13:55:42 GMT To: Surround Sound discussion group I have a "back to the basics" question. For a simple project I planne

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

l crosstalk cancellation only works over a very small area, and > becomes more complex for quad. Many such systems go for some form of > closely spaced dipole speaker layout, possibly with extra speakers. The > University of Southampton had something like that, but references might > ta

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

I'll give zita-bls1 a try with a quad rig, and compare with ATK Super Stereo. I used zita-bls1 to enhance stereo recordings, an the resultst were impressive... It's often more fun to play with low-tech audio than HOA! :-) Thanks Marc Le 21-03-05 à 05 h 41, Fons Adriaensen a écrit : On

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

with extra speakers. The University of Southampton had something like that, but references might take some finding. Ciao, Dave Hunt On 4 Mar 2021, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: From: Marc Lavallée Subject: [Sursound] binaural to FOA? Date: 4 March 2021 at 13:55:42 GMT To: Surround

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

edu wrote: > > From: Marc Lavallée > Subject: [Sursound] binaural to FOA? > Date: 4 March 2021 at 13:55:42 GMT > To: Surround Sound discussion group > > > I have a "back to the basics" question. > > For a simple project I planned to record in FOA or HOA,

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 02:15:12PM +, Augustine Leudar wrote: > http://www.ambisonic.net/ambimix.html Or 'how to do FOA on a stereo mixer' 38 years ago... Amusing but pretty irrelevant today. Some simple facts: Horizontal FOA requires three _independent_ signals, W, X, Y. Binaural only

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

I believe you're right: binaural is just stereo with a twist. So hopefully the SuperStereo ATK kernel will work. There's probably other methods, and if they are linear I could capture them as IRs and apply them to the binaural recordings (in real time). I would also buy beers, but I don't go

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

Mike, I already know how to use the ATK kernels in custom applications (a bit of convolution and the job is done). I never tried the Super Stereo kernel, and I did not think about it for my use case. What's happening under the hood doesn't matter much (at this point), and I trust anything ATK.

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

Hi Marc, You may consider trying the “super stereo" technique to encoder your binaural recording into FOA. You could quickly audition this in Reaper using the ATK’s SuperStereo encoder. It has a very satisfying “wrap around” impression

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

should have said "quad will always be better than stereo" for installations On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 at 14:48, Augustine Leudar wrote: > yeah - I read the binaural to Bformat section. But the problem is with > what they describe there that I don't think it would be any different from > converting a

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

yeah - I read the binaural to Bformat section. But the problem is with what they describe there that I don't think it would be any different from converting a normal stereo signal to b format - in fact it could even be a little bit worse. Its nothing to do with Kemar heads - just the fact if you

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

Humans heads may be different from the mythic KEMAR dummy head, but for my use case I don't think it matters... I don't expect this "conversion" to be precise, or as a mean to archive binaural recordings using ambisonics; my intention is simply to use binaural recordings for an art

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

There might be something that uses crosstalk cancellation that might work for a normal two speaker (transaural) approach? Although I can't see how it would work for quad though - or why youd need to use ambisonics fo it. I know Spat has a binaural transaural converter - which can also convert to

Re: [Sursound] binaural to FOA?

I'm, not sure there would be Marc - I can see how it easy enough to convert in software ambisonics to binaural by convolving with HRTFs and potentially the other way round too if you used the same software that was convolving HRTFS to output Ambisonics (or even plain old quad) but a recording with

[Sursound] binaural to FOA?

I have a "back to the basics" question. For a simple project I planned to record in FOA or HOA, but the final render would be in simple quad (horizontal). So I don't need a lot of resolution. I enjoy recording with binaural microphones (the kind that looks like cheap earbuds), so I can record

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

re violated during the linked recording. From: Sursound on behalf of anna.czerwoniec zylia.pl Sent: 16 June 2020 14:22:57 To: Surround Sound discussion group; Jens Ahrens Subject: Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording Hi All! Just to let you know, wi

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

Hi All! Just to let you know, with the ZYLIA ZM-1 you are able to obtain similar results with 3rd order Ambisonics and at much lower cost. You just require the ZM-1 microphone and the ZYLIA Ambisonics Converter with a binaural decoder and then you will be able to assign the rotation and

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

Jens Ahrens wrote: > Interesting! Are your recordings available online somewhere (and maybe an > example rendering of them)? It would be interesting to compare them to the > Eigenmike ones. You can find OctoMic recordings, including B-format and a few different decodes (including binaural)

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

Hi Len, Interesting! Are your recordings available online somewhere (and maybe an example rendering of them)? It would be interesting to compare them to the Eigenmike ones. BTW, we decided to add our raw recording to the public ReTiSAR repository. Some time next week or so... Best regards,

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

Jens Ahrens wrote: > Here?s a quick 2-min video of what binaural rendering of an Eigenmike > recording can sound like for those of you who haven?t heard this before: > https://youtu.be/qcqeygqjxZ4 Nicely done! We've been doing this too with OctoMic. We use SSA's aXRotate VST plugin along

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

t;That's really good! > >Michael Graves >mgra...@mstvp.com >o: (713) 861-4005 >c: (713) 201-1262 >sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com > >-Original Message- >From: Sursound On Behalf Of Jens Ahrens >Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:04 AM

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com -Original Message- From: Sursound On Behalf Of Jens Ahrens Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:04 AM To: Sursound Subject: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording Hello everyone, … and another post from me. Here’s a q

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

That's really good! Michael Graves mgra...@mstvp.com o: (713) 861-4005 c: (713) 201-1262 sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com -Original Message- From: Sursound On Behalf Of Jens Ahrens Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:04 AM To: Sursound Subject: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

On 5/21/20 9:03 AM, Jens Ahrens wrote: Hello everyone, Hi Jens, … and another post from me. Here’s a quick 2-min video of what binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording can sound like for those of you who haven’t heard this before: https://youtu.be/qcqeygqjxZ4 It’s 4th order rendered

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 4:04 PM Jens Ahrens wrote: > Hello everyone, > … and another post from me. > Here’s a quick 2-min video of what binaural rendering of an Eigenmike > recording can sound like for those of you who haven’t heard this before: > https://youtu.be/qcqeygqjxZ4 It’s 4th order

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

Hey ! My cynicism alarms were buzzing away, its my default setting now - but that's actually really effective - well done ! I don't suppose you do a VST plugin / panner of some sort ? On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 17:50, Douglas Murray wrote: > Dear Jens, > > That sounds really good. > > Best, > Doug

Re: [Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

Dear Jens, That sounds really good. Best, Doug > On May 21, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Jens Ahrens wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > … and another post from me. > > Here’s a quick 2-min video of what binaural rendering of an Eigenmike > recording can sound like for those of you who haven’t heard this

[Sursound] Binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording

Hello everyone, … and another post from me. Here’s a quick 2-min video of what binaural rendering of an Eigenmike recording can sound like for those of you who haven’t heard this before: https://youtu.be/qcqeygqjxZ4 It’s 4th order rendered directly in the spherical harmonic domain (without a

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Dr. Who

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Re: [Sursound] Binaural broadcasts | Lithuania (Stefan Schreiber)

Jurgis Jarašius wrote: Dear Stefan, We are using 5th order ambisonics 'stretched' over 23 loudspeakers, which is the amount we think fits our room the best. YouTube unfortunately does not allow to do synchronized spatial video and audio yet (with headtracking). As soon as it becomes available

Re: [Sursound] Binaural broadcasts | Lithuania (Stefan Schreiber)

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[Sursound] Binaural broadcasts | Lithuania

Dear all, Lithuanian Academy of Music and Theatre, Music Innovation Studies Centre already for the second time presents binaural broadcasts of contemporary music concerts from ambisonic (23.2 loudspeakers) sphere. Were kindly invite you to join in and discover merits of this spatial sound format.

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Audio at the BBC Proms

Interesting, not a mention of Ambisonics (FOA or HOA) or the Soundfield mic as having potential applications in this area. Dave On 2 September 2016 at 14:19, David Pickett wrote: > An essay on how it's done: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2 > 016/09/binaural-proms > > David

Re: [Sursound] Binaural broadcast

Whatever the BBC sound quality when broadcast live in the UK, having listened to most of the Proms 4.0 broadcasts over the past two years, I am not convinced that the sound over the internet is to be sneezed at. It sounds excellent here in central Europe. This is the link to one of the

[Sursound] Binaural broadcast

I believe one, possibly two, items due to be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Saturday 31 October as part of a 'Fright Night' strand, were recorded in binaural stereo. 22:00 GMT "The Stone Tape" A story by Nigel Kneale (he of 'Quatermass' fame) 23:00 GMT "Ring" An adaptation of Koji Suzuki's

Re: [Sursound] Binaural broadcast

I am pretty sure Radio 4 is in stereo. This was extracted from someones TS (transfer stream). Although I still love FM! :) BBC Radio 1 MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 192kbps BBC 1XtraMPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, jstereo, 160kbps BBC Radio 2 MPEG-1, Layer2,

Re: [Sursound] Binaural broadcast

Many thanks for the heads up. I think i'd best warn folks hear in the K this will be best heard on the FM service, as the broadcasts via DAB, Freeview and Satellite use Jstereo to help reduce bandwidth usage. Apart from the damage it does to standard stereo material, it will seriously damage

Re: [Sursound] Binaural broadcast

Richard wrote: From the program link David gave - the binaural version is website/iplayer only. Many thanks for the heads up. I think i'd best warn folks hear in the K this will be best heard on the FM service, as the broadcasts via DAB, Freeview and Satellite use Jstereo to help reduce

Re: [Sursound] binaural theatre excerpts

Thanks Bearcat. For the most part the voices are positioned close to the listener - the female singing in the 3rd recording is positioned further away although is given quite a bit gain because I'm concerned about dynamic range issues in the final application - it should have a lower level as the

Re: [Sursound] binaural theatre excerpts

On 11/11/2014 21:39, Bearcat M. Şándor wrote: I'm impressed. You put these together very well. Only the first one loaded completely but i was able to hear samples of all 4 streams. I haven't had much experience with binaural recordings. To me it sounded everything was in a band that was tight

Re: [Sursound] binaural theatre excerpts

I'm impressed. You put these together very well. Only the first one loaded completely but i was able to hear samples of all 4 streams. I haven't had much experience with binaural recordings. To me it sounded everything was in a band that was tight around my forehead but extended to my shoulders.

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Experiment

I had a look, but I have a few problems.. I don't seem able to play 1a. The test is not blind as the curious, like me, can see the file names in the source. The Longcat eg.1b is the clear winner. I cannot force myself to listen to that much filtered noise - it seems pointless and unpleasant!

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Experiment

Hey David Thanks for your time. The survey loads some files very slow this is why the were not present. Not sure if Longcat is going to win, Harpex seems to do is the best When i listend i thought New Audio was the best. It's idd unpleasant next time i will take some other samples. and thanks

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Experiment

I had a similar problem with the BBC's efforts: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio3/2011/12/the-festival-of-nine-lessons-and-carols-in-surround-sound.shtml In that case I could not dowload them and switch quickly between versions. All that I could usefully say is that they all sounded bad, and

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Experiment

On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 05:19:53PM +, dw wrote: I have a problem with band-filtered noise. I don't think it tell you anything very useful, as the results are only applicable to band-filtered noise, and often anechoic HRTFS are used too, this means it has zero relevance in everyday

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Experiment

On 08/01/2014 17:29, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 05:19:53PM +, dw wrote: I have a problem with band-filtered noise. I don't think it tell you anything very useful, as the results are only applicable to band-filtered noise, and often anechoic HRTFS are used too, this

[Sursound] Binaural Experiment

Dear All I see the most interesting things passing by in this mailing list. This made me decided to do my thesis about binaural localization. I have made two experiments to test three different binaural panners and the accuracy of the localization. 1. New Audio Technology, Spatial Audio

[Sursound] Binaural

Hi all, Just popped in to do some spamming.. I hope there are still some here with a passing interest in binaural. I have made a new type of dummy head, and am looking for some feedback on whether it works for anyone other than myself. The samples are here:

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Microphone options

Chris Pike chris.p...@bbc.co.uk wrote: There are various options around for binaural recording. When considering recordings on real heads (for individualised HRTF sets) what microphones do you recommend? Clearly there going to be a large range in price and quality. BK 4101 for example may be

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Microphone options

I've had a couple of Len's DPA4060's since 2000. They are first class mics. Used them attached to my glasses just above my ears and they gave the most startling realism when played back on my Senny HD25 cans. I've had people jump and turn quickly when listening to recordings of motorbikes going

Re: [Sursound] Binaural Microphone options

Rycote now make these - not cheap, but incredibly effective: I now have a pair of ex-theatre DPA4061s taped to the outside of a window of our flat as we get visited quite often by a wonderfully vocal blackbird who sits on the railing and marks out his territory by singing lustily to the