Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-04-02 Thread Dave Hunt
Dave Hunt From: Stefan Schreiber <st...@mail.telepac.pt> Date: 31 March 2016 17:20:20 BDT To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible? Aaron Heller wrote: Marc L

[Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-04-01 Thread Richard Lee
Aaron Heller wrote > Marc Lavall, Eric Benjamin, and I put together a Trifield (three speaker > stereo) plugin and demo'ed it a Burning Amp last fall. It is hosted at https://bitbucket.org/ajheller/trifield/overview > There are also some plots that use Gerzon velocity and energy localization

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-04-01 Thread Dave Hunt
Hi, I'll not copy what has already been said, as this discussion has got fairly lengthy. Perhaps "normal" stereo with speakers at plus and minus 30 degrees came about from a variety of things. The preponderance of control rooms that are rectangular, with speakers mounted near the

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-31 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Aaron Heller wrote: Marc Lavallée, Eric Benjamin, and I put together a Trifield (three speaker stereo) plugin and demo'ed it a Burning Amp last fall. It is hosted at https://bitbucket.org/ajheller/trifield/overview It is written in Faust so can be compiled for a number of different hosts,

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-31 Thread Aaron Heller
Marc Lavallée, Eric Benjamin, and I put together a Trifield (three speaker stereo) plugin and demo'ed it a Burning Amp last fall. It is hosted at https://bitbucket.org/ajheller/trifield/overview It is written in Faust so can be compiled for a number of different hosts, but we provide

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Stefan Schreiber
David Pickett wrote: Michael Gerzon, "Three Channels. The Future of Stereo?", Studio Sound, vol. 32 no. 6, pp. 112, 114, 117, 118, 120, 123 & 125 (1990 June) (An account of Ambisonic ideas applied to 3-speaker frontal stereo.) http://www.audiosignal.co.uk/Resources/Three_channels_A4.pdf

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Stefan Schreiber
David Pickett wrote: At 14:27 30-03-16, Peter Lennox wrote: > >At the back of my mind, the4re's something nagging me - I'm sure I've >read of someone advocating 3 speaker stereo (is that similar to >trifield?) and finding that a wider spacing of LR speakers was >desirable? - makes sense.

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
I believe the first effort to work around this with loudspeaker design called was the BBC dip. In sweden the stereo error compensation in speaker design is a well known factor, at least the readers of the forum www.faktiskt.as :-) and I believe not many of the better loudspeakers in the world are

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Peter Lennox
93155 From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Eero Aro [eero@dlc.fi] Sent: 30 March 2016 20:09 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible? Thank you Eric. That sums it gre

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread David Pickett
At 20:44 30-03-16, Eric Benjamin wrote: >I have two observations from my own research. The first is that the >ear signals resulting from equal signals at the loudspeakers is not >the same as for a real source located between the loudspeakers. The >second is that, if I measure the ear signals for

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Eero Aro
Thank you Eric. That sums it great up, and you give the sources of the researches. Finally some facts to the table. Some of those papers are in the Motherlode, but by which names? Eero 30.3.2016, 21:44, Eric Benjamin kirjoitti: There are several classic papers on 2-channel stereo

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Richard
The interesting case here is panned sources between the speakers; where 'equal power" implies the sound follows an arc of a circle centred on the listener (constant distance = constant power etc). However, the intuitive/vernacular understanding of panning is a linear path between the speakers

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread David Pickett
At 14:27 30-03-16, Peter Lennox wrote: > >At the back of my mind, the4re's something nagging me - I'm sure I've >read of someone advocating 3 speaker stereo (is that similar to >trifield?) and finding that a wider spacing of LR speakers was >desirable? - makes sense. Michael Gerzon, "Three

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Peter Lennox
@dlc.fi; Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible? At 11:54 30-03-16, Eero Aro wrote: >If 90 degrees between the speakers works for you, fine. Most likely the &g

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread David Pickett
At 11:54 30-03-16, Eero Aro wrote: If 90 degrees between the speakers works for you, fine. Most likely the commercial recordings you are listening to, have been monitored with an 60 degrees angle, as that has been the "standard" setup in studios for more than 60 years. It didn't happen when

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Eero Aro
David Pickett wrote: Somebody else said that he has encountered people who have difficulties with stereo. I said that I have met during the three decades or so, students who perceive a stereo image reproduced by two loudpeakers in different ways. Most people seem to integrate a stereo sound

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-30 Thread Dave Malham
"normal stereo" is still > a mystery to me. > > Ciao, > > Dave Hunt > > > From: Stefan Schreiber <st...@mail.telepac.pt> > > Date: 28 March 2016 19:07:14 BDT > > To: eero@dlc.fi, Surround Sound discussion group > > <sursound@music.vt

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-29 Thread David Pickett
At 20:51 29-03-16, Peter Lennox wrote: >wasn't the original conception for stereo = 90 degrees, but 'hole in >the middle' effects led to standardising on the narrower figure? There seemd to be an echo in here! Running down the email and deleting as I go, I come to: >> From: David Pickett

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-29 Thread Peter Lennox
From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Hunt [davehuntau...@btinternet.com] Sent: 29 March 2016 19:02 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible? Hi

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-29 Thread Dave Hunt
on group <sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible? Eero Aro wrote: Hi Dave I have a feeling that this subject has been discussed in Sursound many times before. The point in my reply was that when yo

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-28 Thread David Pickett
The problem with speakers at +/- 45 degrees is that one needs a wide room if one is to sit at a decent distance from them. However, it can be impressive. I have found the effect even better if a centre speaker of the same typeis added. Gerzon gave the ratios necessary for matrixing 2

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-28 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Eero Aro wrote: Hi Dave I have a feeling that this subject has been discussed in Sursound many times before. The point in my reply was that when you use two channel stereo in the surround sound field, a wide angle between the virtual loudspeakers doesn't work too well. I don't know where

Re: [Sursound] OT Stereo stage width - Was: Static stereo source in rotating soundfield, possible?

2016-03-27 Thread Eero Aro
Hi Dave I have a feeling that this subject has been discussed in Sursound many times before. The point in my reply was that when you use two channel stereo in the surround sound field, a wide angle between the virtual loudspeakers doesn't work too well. I don't know where the 60 degrees angle