Ed Beggs wrote:
>So, since the market for biodiesel has largely been created in the USA by
>the lobbying efforts of the NBB and the research they have sponsored, and
>since sales of biodiesel have, in fact, been greatly enhanced by the EPA's
>acceptance of that research so that biodiesel can b
"Sloppily made BD can not only ruin an engine but spew much more crap
into the air than commercial petrodiesel." - Dana Linscott.
Please explain.
Please explain also how the mythical case you've outlined below
differs from petrodiesel. Petrodiesel quality is rather variable, and
generally poo
Dana Linscott wrote:
>have been getting off list..some of them are...
>ummm...pretty foul and either Keith is blocking them
>from posting on the list or they still have the good
This is not a moderated list, incoming messages are not vetted by me
or by anyone, they go directly to list mem
ENERGIES... week of February 10, 2002
NOT QUITE KYOTO. President Bush has finally come forth with his much
anticipated U.S. alternative to the Kyoto Protocol. His plan would ask
industry to voluntarily limit greenhouse gas emissions growth each year
to one-third that of economic growth for
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "cornfed62" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was willed my father's gasoline station, and property. During
the
> early 80's, he was mailed a registered letter from the DNR giving
him
> a set period of time "to remove the underground storeage tanks or
be
> subject to
I was willed my father's gasoline station, and property. During the
early 80's, he was mailed a registered letter from the DNR giving him
a set period of time "to remove the underground storeage tanks or be
subject to groundwater quality testing". He called their bluff.
Which was a tactica
Glenn,
I think that you have a clear view of the challenge
that faces small biodiesel producers who want to go
commercial regarding dealing with large govt.
agencies.
A also think that the active posters on this group
include those that are a little paranoid and those
that are very realistic an
Ok with me.
Experimental it is.
But remember this is a theoretical maximum level pf
prodcution that would require 1 gal per hour 24 hours
per day to reach.
Dana
--- Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dana Linscott" <>
> Sent: Sunday, February 17,
"Arne P. Ryason" wrote:
>
> Tee wrote:
> >
> > Define income.
> >
>
> Profit severed from capital, not compensation for labor.
>
> Graves v. New York, 306 US 466, 480
> Grag v. Darlington (1867) 82 US (15 Wall) 63,66, 21 LEd 45
Whoops! Wrong cite! My mistake! See? Nobody's perfect. Especially
Ok
> From: Phil Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:04:53 +
> To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] electric lift pumps
>
> On 14/2/02 9:38 PM, "Neoteric Biofuels Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> $75 US
While many of us know certain employees of the EPA and some employees in
other agencies and departments operate as criminals "the Mob" under the color
of authority, it does no good to just complain, or do anything foolish that
might play into their hands. You have to continuously inform the me
On 14/2/02 9:38 PM, "Neoteric Biofuels Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> $75 US, and we'll mail it you for that. Does that break the bank? We've had
> a few of them in use for 6 months or so on WVO - so far so good. Let me know
> if you want one.
>
> Edward Beggs
> www.biofuels.ca
>
Cheers Edw
Applause.
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
> From: Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:02:21 -0800 (PST)
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Sloppiest made biodiesel won't hurt engines or pollute
>
>
> --- Harmon Sea
- Original Message -
From: "Dana Linscott" <>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 16:02
Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA hassle--moving on to: Economics of Commercial
Operations
> It would seem to me that if want to move on in this
> discussion the "Micro" level of 1 gal per hour maximum
> ca
1) YBD was told they could not use the Health Effects testing and not to
produce any more fuel, I assume primarily because they were not on this list
of registered fuels:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/additive/web-fuel.txt
2) If not on the list, you don't sell commercially, or you are askin
Greg,
I am also of the "make more faster" bent.
I suggest the "maximum theoretical output" as a
identifier only because it so directly related to
discussing the economics of commercial biodiesel
production at all levels.
It really has little to do with how much time a
producer has to spend on p
To all the folks who have been contacting me privately
about the current "heated discussion" on this list.
I don't blame you for not wanting to become involved
in this discussion.
Until I received several private emails asking me to
become directly involved I had decided to keep my
opinions to
--- Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dana said:
>
> > In this case I
> > offerred my profssional services Gratis or more
> > accuratly for the price of accepting primary
> > responsability.
>
>
> I can't imagine why YBD would want any help from
> you, Dana, after
> seeing the i
Greg, re the comment I made about EPA not letting you store oil underground
at a residence: EPA issued regs on underground tank storage a few years
ago. I threw them all out, but reviewed them closely at the time because I
had a small grocery store with 5 tanks, not being used, previously s
Harmon Seaver wrote:
> They need to be exposed as exactly what they are, a criminal
>group acting totally illegally and
>unethically. This case needs as much media attention as possible, it
>needs to be brought to the attention of
>every member of congress -- and also the actual individuals i
Hi Glenn
No, I don't think you missed anything, you've cut through to the
heart of it and you're pointing in all the right directions, IMHO.
Much appreciated. This is the makings of a good, solid agenda, can we
take it further?
Regards
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Osaka
I'll interpose a few comments.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Neoteric Biofuels Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyway, if someone wants a work truck to tow a bunch of cattle
with or haul
> a ton of fuel into the bush, it's been a long while since they've
been able
> to do it with a North Ameri
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12:39
Subject: [biofuel] EPA hassle
> In the first instance the homeowner can't store fuel underground that he
> needs to heat; his house.
What do you mean? My grandparents house ( it was up until sold
Ed Beggs wrote:
>Keith and all: I asked Pinzgauer about sales into Canada. Nope. I assume
>same applies for the US. So we are stuck.
Pity, but I'm not too surprised. It was more of an example than a
serious suggestion.
> Anyway, if someone wants a work truck to tow a bunch of cattle with or ha
k5farms wrote:
>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Look Guys,
>
>Dana, You've put my words on this list long for I could type them out
>(Don't Keith type quite well for only using 'is one hand?)
That's not me, it's Alan (who'll be just fine soon, by the way).
Are we paranoid or just realistic? All kinds of special interest groups that
we recognize: big oil, big business, agro-industrial complexes, etc have
special interests whose interests sometimes do not coincide with our own.
The one entity, whom some us feel that we have the most to fear, wh
They need to be exposed as exactly what they are, a criminal group acting
totally illegally and
unethically. This case needs as much media attention as possible, it needs to
be brought to the attention of
every member of congress -- and also the actual individuals in that agency who
have com
Harmon,
You wrote:
"The EPA is acting here in the role of a mob enforcer,
and should be responded to exactly on that basis. "
If this were true...how would YOU respond to a real
"mob enforcer". Surely if you responded by calling
them names it would not have the desired effect.
Maybe they would
Dana said:
> In this case I
> offerred my profssional services Gratis or more
> accuratly for the price of accepting primary
> responsability.
I can't imagine why YBD would want any help from you, Dana, after
seeing the irresponsible and damaging statements you've made about
biodiesel. W
I guess a really basic question needs to be asked on this issue: What is the
EPA doing being involved in any
aspect of biofuels in the first place? Their only mandate is to go after
polluters, to protect the environment
-- and since biofuels don't involve pollution in their manufacture, are n
That is workable, but I come from the "make more faster / spend less time to
make a given amount" type of people, that does not want to sepnd the time to
make a given amount of product.
Should I be classifide as a medium producer just because I don't have the
time to spend 10 Hrs to make 30 gal o
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look Guys,
Dana, You've put my words on this list long for I could type them out
(Don't Keith type quite well for only using 'is one hand?)
http://biodiesel.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?
a=tpc&s=465094322&f=169090994&m=5500966051&r=6
A friend of mine passed a Japanese mini truck pulling a trailer with 4 or 5
tons of construction equipment. Guy was weaving down the road at 55.
Doesn't seem to slow them down here in montana. A former neighbor of mine
hauled water in a 400 gallon tank in his half ton. I figure the water alone
was
Keith and all: I asked Pinzgauer about sales into Canada. Nope. I assume
same applies for the US. So we are stuck.
Anyway, if someone wants a work truck to tow a bunch of cattle with or haul
a ton of fuel into the bush, it's been a long while since they've been able
to do it with a North America
Look Keith,
I don't believe that YBD has been "naughty and needs
to be spanked".
Nor do I "blame" Tom for failing to research the
business he was getting into as thoroughly as he
should have.
Nor have I meant to personally attack you (if that is
the implication).
I believe in personal responsi
The whole report's worth reading, this is an excerpt.
From: The Full Costs Of The Car
http://www.flora.org/afo/cc1.html
Dirty from cradle to grave
http://www.flora.org/afo/cc1.html#II
John Whitelegg*
A new [1993] report from the respected Environment and Forecasting
Institute in Heidelberg,
cornfed62 wrote:
>
> I have spent years in government service. I have learned the hard
> way that the easiest way to get something done (inside of a
> government agency) is to comply with the regulations and then try to
> change them if they are out of tune with the situation.
>
Ge
Look Guys,
I have fought the govt and won on several occasions. I
have also fought and lost. I did what I thought was
right and took personal responsability for things I
was personally responsable for. In this case I
offerred my profssional services Gratis or more
accuratly for the price of acce
>From: "sharmilee ad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: ethanol from direct sugar cane raw juices
>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:59:33 +0530
>
>dear sir , we are one of the major consultants in India, we have
>been retained by one of the biggest sugar mills to provide
>consultan
Hi Motie
>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Neoteric Biofuels Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There are an astounding number of people driving SUV's and pickups
>and vans
> > that do not need them. The "need" to haul more heavy, motorized
>things to
> > the lake for recreation drives the "need" for
He just doesn't pay attention, does he? Dear oh dear!
Hein
Please read this response CAREFULLY, especially the bit at the end. I
suggest you go back and read the previous responses you've had from
me and others equally carefully. As I told you in my first message,
you need to do a bit of home
Shukrainternationals wrote:
>Keith,
>If you receive these two schematics from Woodland,
Don't hold your breath!
>are you placing them on
>the web for all of us to see? I am very much interested to see those
>schematics.
I'm sure you can find them on the web. Woodland seems highly unlikely
to
>In the article below it mentioned, "Europeans routinely use 30
>percent less energy per unit of gross national
>product than Americans do." Could anyone point me to a website(s)
>that could elaborate or compare the
>differences. Thank you.
This should get you started:
US Energy Information
CornFed, Citizen wrote:
>This has gone too far.
I don't think it went too far, I think it got backed into a sterile
cul-de-sac from whence it's yet to emerge. Now it's all settled and
cut-and-dried, eh? Well, it's not. The conclusion that Tom Lueue of
Yellow Biodiesel was naughty so he should
- Original Message -
From: "John Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative*
> > >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Motie,
> > > > He applied for the proper pe
This has gone too far. What purpose do personal attacks and name
calling serve? I for one have learned a great deal about Bio Diesel
from Dana. I also have learned a great deal from Keith Addison, and
his resource webpage.
So why the attack? This was brought on by a discussion of a sma
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