Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread Hakan Falk
Ken, There are many samples of orphan babies of one animal, that have been fed and raised by the mother of other different animals. Hakan At 06:15 AM 7/7/2005, you wrote: FWIW - My cat drinks milk from cows. Derek -- Original message -- From: Ken Dunn -

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread Hakan Falk
Robert, We tolerate milk well, as long as we regularly drink it. If one stop to drink milk for a long period, it is common that the tolerance goes down and often the stomach will react violently against starting again. Often the body develop an allergy against milk products, after a long

[Biofuel] Interesting Link

2005-07-07 Thread Robb Hensley
Keith, I thought the list might enjoy this link from CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/07/04/eco.car/index.html Kindest Regards, Robb Hensley ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

[Biofuel] emissions

2005-07-07 Thread john owens
here's a tought What will happen if the majority of the waste vegtable oil in the world is being used for biodiesel which isnt curently being burned and is absorbing some of the co2 being produced by mineral diesel and production and mineral oil consumption growes. Will this not cause an increase

Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future

2005-07-07 Thread Ryan Hall
In the diamond industry, DeBeers Diamonds owns about 90% of the diamond mines in the world. They do this, and it is no secret. They give out a vry limited number ofcontracts to diamond cutters and suppliers. Furthermore, they restrict the number of diamonds and quality put onto the

Re: [Biofuel] Re: How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Hakan Falk
Marc, Bears are dependent on vegetarian food, not salmon. On occasion they do feast on salmon, during the short period that the salmon returns to its spawning ground. If bears were dependent in any way on the salmon diet, they would go hungry most of the year and only exist in very small

[Biofuel] Bulking out diesel

2005-07-07 Thread John
Is it true you can bulk out dinodiesel with a mix of veg oil and white/methylated spirit? Has anybody tried it? Did it work? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
Perhaps of interest: David Pimentel Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes Keith Hello John Thanks to a post at TDIclub, I discovered that Pimentel has released yet another report on ethanol. Looking at the dates below, he's a month ahead of schedule this year.

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Chris Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. The only problem with repanting trees, period, that i'm shocked no one has mentioned (unless i missed it), is that the earth in a particular area can only support 4-5 generations of trees before

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Richard Nitrogen-fixing trees. Nitrogen, is that part of soil nutrients? Yes, the main one. Allegedly. There's a better case for calcium though. Soil nutrients aren't quite the same as plant nutrients, though they should be - feed the soil, not the plant. The gospel of chemical

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ken Keith, Your make many points that give me reason for pause. However, I can wait for someone else to do something about the problems that exist or I can do something myself - done! Quite right! Did you see Darryl's sig? It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert snip The Masai drink the blood of their animals. Is that better, or worse? Does it matter? Blood and milk, and it turns out they eat a lot of herbs and stuff too. Whether better or worse, it sustained them in superb health through many centuries. You have to read Nutrition

Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ryan In the diamond industry, DeBeers Diamonds owns about 90% of the diamond mines in the world. De Beers controls about 60 per cent of the world diamond trade, but your point stands nonetheless. They do this, and it is no secret. They give out a vry limited number of contracts

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, It is not just the long hiatus that harms our ability to digest milk, but the pasteurization which turns milk into a cooked protein. Raw milk is wonderful. Texas now has legal raw dairies, but the price tag [$8/gal] definitely makes owning your own cow look good. Bright

Re: [Biofuel] Bulking out diesel

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hello John Is it true you can bulk out dinodiesel with a mix of veg oil and white/methylated spirit? Has anybody tried it? Did it work? At your own risk. Please see: Three choices 1. Mixing it 2. Straight vegetable oil 3. Biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#3choices

RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Wes Moore
I think I am seeing a pattern here. I have noticed that some folks seem to think that whatever is being done is bad... end of story . not just in this forum, but it seems to be abundant here. I would like to suggest to anyone who witnesses this tendency that they withhold criticism until they

RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Michael Redler
Well done. Thanks Wes. I am often discouraged to the point of being overwhelmed bythe struggle. I'm sure everyone in this forum has felt a wide range of emotions including outrage, guilt, sadness, inadequacy and (sometimes) triumph. Our environment doesn't always facilitate the efforts of those

Re: [Biofuel] Re: How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Joe Street
Marc DeGagne wrote: Hi Joe Possibly I am blinded by fear mongering and misinformation by folks like David Suzuki. Could you please provide me with some examples and evidence of this misinformation. Here is a link to the David Suzuki Foundation..

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Blood and milk, and it turns out they eat a lot of herbs and stuff too. Whether better or worse, it sustained them in superb health through many centuries. This was my point! Some people recoil at the idea of eating dairy products, but the evidence often cited falls

[Biofuel] Re: How many trees were killed to build your home?

2005-07-07 Thread Marc DeGagne
Joe, Halkan I as well have sensed the doom and gloom attitude from Suzuki, there is no denying it. But I think in recent years it has shifted to a more positive approach of trying to make a difference by offering solutions. I think "depend" was maybe the wrong choice of words to describe the

RE: [Biofuel] THE CALAMITY HOWLER #60

2005-07-07 Thread john broderick
re: The Calamity Howler Further to the article in The Economist, and Michael Ignatieff's comments - there are three actions that are not going to happen, if the United States and Americans overseas want to feel more secure: - Americans are not going to impeach George Bush - Americans are not

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread Mecánica Agrícola
Hakan This is a good point, remember Rómulo and Remo!!! Sven ___ Mecánica Agrícola Fac. Cs. Agrarias - UNCuyo e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread John Wilson
ANSWER: None! My house is over one hundred years old. The orginal trees, if left would have been all killed by bark beetle or worse fire. The land they came from is still forest and has probably been cut several times since the house was built.. The paved road in front of the house has killed a

RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread john broderick
Hi: I don't know where Keith got his information about trees depleting soil nutrients after 4 or 5 generations of trees. I suggest that if you check with a silviculturalist, you may find that when trees drop their leaves in the fall, the leaves start to decompose in the next spring. The

[Biofuel] Exposure to Depleted Uranium

2005-07-07 Thread Michael Redler
"...Patricia Dillon, D-New Haven, the Connecticut author of the bill." I live in New Haven but, haven'tmet Ms. Dillon (yet). Mike ___ Published on Friday, June 17, 2005 by The Vermont Guardian Collateral Risk: DU Research Gap Could Impact

[Biofuel] Galloway claims Africa deception

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
See also: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51518.html [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4654447.stm BBC NEWS | Tuesday, 5 July, 2005 Galloway claims Africa deception Ministers are using aid for Africa to cover up for

[Biofuel] US citizens back action to curb greenhouse emissions

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/2cbfab24-ed7b-11d9-ac0d-0e2511c8.html FT.com / International Economy / G8 summit US citizens back action to curb greenhouse emissions By Scott Heiser in Washington Published: July 5 2005 18:46 | Last updated: July 5 2005 18:46 Americans overwhelmingly support the

[Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
See also: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9394.htm Terror Attacks Near 3,200 in 2004 Count http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9387.htm It's imperialism, stupid By Noam Chomsky 07/05/05 ICH - - IN his June 28 speech, President Bush asserted that the invasion

[Biofuel] Agriculture without Farmers

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
The Institute of Science in Society Science Society Sustainability http://www.i-sis.org.uk ISIS Press Release 06/07/05 Agriculture without Farmers The WTO and EU agricultural policies are sweeping farmers off the land in droves and threatening world food security. mailto:[EMAIL

john broderick - RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
john broderick wrote: Hi: I don't know where Keith got his information about trees depleting soil nutrients after 4 or 5 generations of trees. Aarghhh!!! Do you mind? That was NOT my information, Chris N posted that and I strongly disagreed and countered it. Please be more careful who

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Chris
That was me, not Keith. I was told by a good friend andwildlife ecologistthat this was true, and assumed it to be as they were very passionate about deforestation and our consumption of paper products. Forgive me if I'm wrong, when I see her again I'll ask her to clarify, I might simply

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Michael Redler
Thanks Kieth.After reading the article by Naom Chomsky, Two things stood out in my mind and two statements keep me from forgetting them. "That (the existence of WMD's) was the "single question," as stressed constantly by Bush, Prime Minister Blair and associates. It was also the sole basis on

Re: [Biofuel] Re: How many trees were killed to build your home?

2005-07-07 Thread Hakan Falk
Marc, I wanted to get away from the bear discussion, because clear cuttings are a major menace for nature and the major contributor to dead lakes. Not because the clear cuttings per say, but because of the combination with industrial pollution. The humans are quite stupid, at a time when

Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future

2005-07-07 Thread capt3d
hi hakan. i don't know the figures, but the oil production in iraq since desert storm has been a very small piece of the pie, much diminished from what it had been. i can't argue, though, with the impactof bothincreased demand from emerging economies and the decline in the value of the $u.s.

Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future

2005-07-07 Thread Hakan Falk
Chris b, When we talk about oil prices, we are talking on the prices and trading on the spot market, which are relatively small volumes. Most large supplies are contracted and not bought on the spot market, but the contractual prices are regulated by the spot market, This means that the

Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future

2005-07-07 Thread Ken Provost
on 7/7/05 6:15 PM, Hakan Falk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bush did in fact completely control the price with the purchases to the inventory reserve and by that guaranteed a high price and large profits for his buddies. Despite this, he has the nerve to blame China and India for the high

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
Keith, Along with active and informed opposition to factory farming, industrialised farming and the food industry, that might be more effective than just condemning meat and meat-eaters. Meat is bad vs Do you know where that meat you're eating comes from? That particular meat. First, I

Re: [Biofuel] Exposure to Depleted Uranium

2005-07-07 Thread glenne1949
This item from American Free Press. More items can be seen by googling "Deleted uranium/ ingestion/ damage. Glenn Explaining How Depleted Uranium Is Killing Civilians, Soldiers, Land Nano-particles pinpointed By Christopher Bollyn Depleted uranium weapons, and the untold misery they

Re: Wes - RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Ryan Hall
Keith wrote: And there are people who demand to know: "What's all this off-topic political crap got to do with BIOFUELS???", which usually turns out to be another way of saying they disagree with it and want it censored. Keith, I for one will put in my 2 cents and say quite honestly that I

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Ryan Hall
Michael As an American citizen, I must believe that there are people in the world who understand that not all Americans stand by this president and that there is a difference between a people and its government There are quite a few of us out there. The problem is that many of the people

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-07 Thread capt3d
todd, you make an excellent point. i still remember how stunned i was when i first heard how much feed/grain/meal goes into each unit of meat purchased at the supermarket. also, i understand there are aspects of chemistry involved which limit this to some degree (especially when it comes to

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Michael Redler
Thanks Ryan. I'm with you on everything you said. You mentioned the Dems. Nader called Democrats and Republicans part of a vast duopoly and I tend to agree. Theplatforms of both Bush and Kerry were strikingly similar.Ironically (or maybe not),the Nader campaign received very little air time in

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread capt3d
hi, keith. i have my own 'issues' with the big enviro groups. but i have been quite impressed with one group as i learn more about them. that would be 'the nature conservancy'. (although, i should point out there was some sort of unsavory business a few years back wherein certain members of

Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future

2005-07-07 Thread Hakan Falk
Ken, My English is bad. I know that and I am sorry if it was not clear. What I thought I said, was that the rise of the consumption in China or India, was comparable to the Bush purchases to the strategic petroleum reserve and I also thought that I was safe in this statement. US uses 25.4

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Jerry Turner
NOWHERE in Mr. Noam Chomsky post is mentioned that over 2600 AMERICANS lost their lives and did so on AMERICAN soil!! IMO you would have to be a total moron to even think that the terrorist would have been satisfied taking down the WTC! Hell no they would have kept on killing AMERICANS at

Re: [Biofuel] emissions

2005-07-07 Thread the skapegoat
yes, burning biodiesel creates carbon dioxide. Any internal combustion engine will produce carbon dioxide. But WVO, or even SVO is a renewable resource, unlike petrol. Biodiesel is not the holy grail, just one very tiny step along the way to being responsible. john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Neil Goatman
sir on the country we of the rest of the world think all americans are as their leaders they let him in (not elected ) so they are all tared with the same bush till they get smart and get rid of him and actually elect someone the world does not see as a bozo war monger ruled by

[Biofuel] Help!

2005-07-07 Thread Jschwabop
Greetings to you bio-fuelers, I am new to this list serve and signed up hoping to find some advice. I recently heard the end of the NPR (National Public Radio) program that featured Mike Pelly. Through that program I became VERY interested in biodiesel. I have been doing some reading on the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Hakan Falk
Jerry, If you refer to the World Trade Center, please check your numbers. Was it really 2,600 AMERICANS or could it be that it was some foreigners among them? I really would like to know how many AMERICANS that lost their lives, do anyone know a source for this. When it happened, I remembered