Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-29 Thread Keith Addison
Keith Addison wrote: A Natural History of Peace By Robert M. Sapolsky From Foreign Affairs, January/February 2006 What an interesting article! Thanks, Keith! You're welcome Robert, I'm glad you liked it. The link worked fine for me, by the way. Here's another version, from

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-29 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert Keith Addison wrote: (Uberpatriots and Jingoism) Rather noticeable, yes. Different forums have different cultures. But I'm baffled by people who can't get along here. This is a VERY diverse place, yet among the regular contributors there seems to be a degree of respect

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-29 Thread Chandan Haldar
Leave them in front. Left Behind, aarghh! LOL! I wouldn't say more docile though, after all a docile populace is the ideal of our noble leaders, uh, rulers, and captains of industry and commerce, it makes it so much easier to manufacture our consent. Make it less aggressive rather. Aggressive

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-28 Thread Keith Addison
Keith, now the whole thing again but this time w/ MLA citations, plz. J/k, of course. For the Foreign Affairs piece? Sorry, you'll have to take that up with them. If you want to discuss the content maybe I'd do that, might not find the time though, it's few right now. Best Keith

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-28 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: A Natural History of Peace By Robert M. Sapolsky From Foreign Affairs, January/February 2006 What an interesting article! Thanks, Keith! It appears that what we need is a selective bottleneck to eliminate the knuckle draggers from among us and

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert Keith Addison wrote: Anyway, I guess this is the kind of person you'd be voting against, and you'd probably lose, yet again. This guy just applied to join the list: Which sounds like he doesn't vote for the Oil Party, but it turns out he does. Before he got accepted he had a

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Mike Weaver
As a member of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church, http://www.venganza.org/ I am shocked, appalled and outraged at [ ] and [ ]. All I can say is my God is the one true God, and no set of tongs, pasta bowl nor meatballs will save you when he/she/it decides to return to

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Mike Weaver
Stop bashing Jingo. I don't care what you say, but just leave The Beatles out of it. Maybe he wasn't the best-looking Beatle but to say he has a very ugly head is plain mean. robert luis rabello wrote: Keith Addison wrote: Anyway, I guess this is the kind of person you'd be voting

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Keith Addison
Uh, are those baked nonbelievers organic or just USDA certified? As a member of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church, http://www.venganza.org/ I am shocked, appalled and outraged at [ ] and [ ]. All I can say is my God is the one true God, and no set of tongs, pasta bowl

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Mike Weaver
My girlfriend says that everyone associated w/ BD is certified, or should be... Keith Addison wrote: Uh, are those baked nonbelievers organic or just USDA certified? As a member of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church, http://www.venganza.org/ I am shocked, appalled and outraged at [

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: (Uberpatriots and Jingoism) Rather noticeable, yes. Different forums have different cultures. But I'm baffled by people who can't get along here. This is a VERY diverse place, yet among the regular contributors there seems to be a degree of respect that I seldom

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Joe Street
robert luis rabello wrote: Snip Surely there ARE some differences. I think George Orwell had it right (though his timing was off by a few years) and Josef Goebbels would be quite comfortable in the current administration. That wouldn't have been the case 40 years ago. Actually

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread robert luis rabello
Joe Street wrote: Actually I would argue that Aldous Huxley was closer to the mark. It's easier to control people with soma than brute force. Keep them asleep and numbed with warm fuzzy patriotic feelings and mostly distracted with useless information, propaganda and flashy

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Joe Street
Good thing I'm not planning on getting old! robert luis rabello wrote: Joe Street wrote: Actually I would argue that Aldous Huxley was closer to the mark. It's easier to control people with soma than brute force. Keep them asleep and numbed with warm fuzzy patriotic

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread bob allen
hows this: George h w bush (don't worry,be happy...) is to brave new world as George bush (terror, terror, terror) is to 1984 robert luis rabello wrote: Joe Street wrote: Actually I would argue that Aldous Huxley was closer to the mark. It's easier to control people with soma than

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Mike Weaver
Flashback. SAT's bob allen wrote: hows this: George h w bush (don't worry,be happy...) is to brave new world as George bush (terror, terror, terror) is to 1984 robert luis rabello wrote: Joe Street wrote: Actually I would argue that Aldous Huxley was closer to the mark. It's

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert snip Life for humans and pre-humans too has always been far more a cooperative venture. Yes, all abuses are old, but to ascribe to them a major and continuing role in our social development is a Victorian idea and it's quite easily debunked. It's yet another out-of-place

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-27 Thread Evergreen Solutions
Keith, now the whole thing again but this time w/ MLA citations, plz. J/k, of course. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Gustl, ES and all This is what Chomsky says about Tweedledum and Tweedledee: It has often been pointed out by political scientists that the US is basically a one-party state -- the business party, with two factions, Democrats and Republicans. Most of the population seems to agree. A

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-26 Thread Mike Weaver
Evergreen Solutions wrote: I mean, let's look at NCLB, which is...tada, MORE REGULATION, and NO MONEY to support it. Lol, the NCLB is the bane of my existence, so was EDUCATE 2000, the precursor to it...which was really worse imo with it's CSO's and crap, which really was a Clinton

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-26 Thread Evergreen Solutions
I don't doubt that, but you must admit the GOP hauls it out and waved it around like it's something to be proud of. Well, they did...I don't figure it'll get re-upped the next time it comes around. It's difficult to create a federal standard for spending federal moneys, which is

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-26 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Anyway, I guess this is the kind of person you'd be voting against, and you'd probably lose, yet again. This guy just applied to join the list: Which sounds like he doesn't vote for the Oil Party, but it turns out he does. Before he got accepted he had a look at some

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-25 Thread Keith Addison
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:22 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election KEITH! Finally. Someone else has said it... But Kerry, and Gore before him, would only have meant business as usual anyway,different band, same old song

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-25 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo , Friday, 24 March, 2006, 22:22:53, you wrote: ES KEITH! ES Finally. Someone else has said it... ES But Kerry, and Gore before him, would only have meant business as ES usual anyway,different band, same old song, everybody hates it. Don't ES you have any rock'n'roll? ES While I certainly

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-25 Thread Evergreen Solutions
Why not? Well, I'll tell you the one, single, solitary reason I classify myself as one of those dirty republicans...but I tell you I'm so close to the fence it's amazing. That reason is that I want power locally, in the hands of small, local government, local voters, and local business. I'm not

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-25 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo, When folks start chopping up mails to answer them it leaves a lot to be desired. Pulling things out of context, omitting things, changing meanings in the middle of the game. Sounds very like how organized religion works. Saturday, 25 March, 2006, 13:59:08, you wrote: ES Why not?

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-25 Thread Evergreen Solutions
I apologize for not taking the time to consult the character map for the S set, having spent significant time in Bayern myself I tend to drop these things, as well as umlauts in lieu of e's. Beyond that, I did not respond in a hostile fashion, and was responded to as such, so I will cease

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-25 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo, Saturday, 25 March, 2006, 17:43:30, you wrote: ES I apologize for not taking the time to consult the character map for ES the S set, having spent significant time in Bayern myself I tend to ES drop these things, as well as umlauts in lieu of e's. ES Beyond that, I did not respond in a

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-25 Thread Mike Weaver
Ok, I know I shouldn't, but I'll bite...how can you be a pro-education Republican? I mean, let's look at NCLB, which is...tada, MORE REGULATION, and NO MONEY to support it. Isn't that the anithesis of Republicanism? And I can't think of a party that's done more to gut education funding, and

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-25 Thread Evergreen Solutions
I mean, let's look at NCLB, which is...tada, MORE REGULATION, and NO MONEY to support it. Lol, the NCLB is the bane of my existence, so was EDUCATE 2000, the precursor to it...which was really worse imo with it's CSO's and crap, which really was a Clinton administration folly...but really

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-24 Thread Evergreen Solutions
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the open-source, publicly moderated type systems, however...I'll point out some flaws...First off, the wide reaching level of conspiracy you're suggesting with the idea that he rigged the vote would in NO WAY be challenged by any of these mechanisms...the only

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-24 Thread Tom Irwin
be the real count with the machine being the preliminary count. Just a thought. Tom Irwin From: Evergreen Solutions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:24:20 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: "How To Steal an Election" Don't get me wrong,

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-24 Thread Chip Mefford
Tom Irwin wrote: Hi All, Although I tend to enbrace technology when it helps, what is the problem with giving each person a paper copy of their own vote. It's a great idea! When I sell my vote, I'll have a receipt, so I can get paid easily! Just in case anyone cares, poll receipts

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-24 Thread Chip Mefford
On a side note; How it's done! http://www.syngress.com/catalog/?pid=3100 A good read. In fact, I've really enjoyed all of Syngress publishing's cyberfiction. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-24 Thread Keith Addison
would be the real count with the machine being the preliminary count. Just a thought. Tom Irwin From: Evergreen Solutions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:24:20 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election Don't get me wrong, I'm

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-24 Thread Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)
e count as part of the voting process. This count would be the real count with the machine being the preliminary count. Just a thought. Tom Irwin From: Evergreen Solutions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:24:20 -0300Subject: Re: [

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-24 Thread Evergreen Solutions
KEITH! Finally. Someone else has said it... But Kerry, and Gore before him, would only have meant business as usual anyway,different band, same old song, everybody hates it. Don't you have any rock'n'roll? While I certainly don't advocate *not* voting, I'm glad someone has pointed out that

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-24 Thread D. Mindock
. .- Original Message -From: Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:22 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election KEITH! Finally. Someone else has said it... But Kerry, and Gore before him, would only have meant business as usual