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Hello Jesse, Derk, Robert and all
IMHO, every traveller eventually goes home, because it is the only place
that really makes sense.
What's home? LOL! (What's TV?)
Every place is delicately different from every
Hi Keith, Kim,
Family of origin, place of origin, it's deep, was what I meant. Somewhere
out of our thinking brain. It's an issue, someway or another, as your
thoughtful replies imply. Some people search around until they find their
real home, and whew! That's satisfaction.
I'm a
for comfort.
Jesse
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:19:45 +0900
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Hello Jesse, Derk, Robert and all
IMHO, every traveller eventually goes home, because it is the only
) the Global Village, maybe we need to evolve
just a little more.
Best wishes
Keith
Jesse
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:19:45 +0900
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Hello Jesse, Derk
At 05:51 PM 2/10/2005, you wrote:
Hi Keith, Kim,
Family of origin, place of origin, it's deep, was what I meant. Somewhere
out of our thinking brain. It's an issue, someway or another, as your
thoughtful replies imply. Some people search around until they find their
real home, and whew!
more.
Best wishes
Keith
Jesse
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Hello Jesse, Derk, Robert and all
IMHO, every traveller eventually goes home, because
Hi Keith, Mike, Hakan.
Hakan said that his experience in Israel had been to remind him of North
America. (right? Structural recognition?) Which yeah, I guess, Tel Aviv
is quite cosmopolitan. I meant the desert, and the blowing poppy fields
above Gallilee, the grazing camels and storks...
Having said that I did not feel that way about the land of my birth, I
added this: Do you think I must necessarily be deprived in some or many
ways because of this? I certainly don't think so. Nor would I say that
people who have not gained what I've gained because I did not have their
Oh oh, Walt's gonna get slammed now.
Keith, don't be a hothead. Walt's talking about community.
Jesse
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:03:43 -0800
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At 04:22
At 04:22 AM 2/11/2005, Keith wrote:
Having said that I did not feel that way about the land of my birth, I
added this: Do you think I must necessarily be deprived in some or many
ways because of this? I certainly don't think so. Nor would I say that
people who have not gained what I've gained
Yep.
Keith, don't be a hothead.
Coolheaded.
Walt's talking about community.
Nope.
Best
Keith
Jesse
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Hi Keith, Mike, Hakan.
Hakan said that his experience in Israel had been to remind him of North
America. (right? Structural recognition?) Which yeah, I guess, Tel Aviv
is quite cosmopolitan. I meant the desert, and the blowing poppy fields
above Gallilee, the grazing camels and storks...
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snip
And no, I couldn't give an ounce of catfish excrement whether you agree or
not.
/snip
Whahahahahaha ! You
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Hi Robert,
Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose!
Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for
about 20
years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of
what
I am finding this rather interesting. I went back to Canada last year and
both hubby and I felt like visitors. We don't live there anymore. Maybe
because there are two of us, both from similar culture and transplanted
together, that our new home really feels like home. I would say home is
. But there's more than one kind of moss.
Just my 2, um, yen.
Regards
Keith
Jesse
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Hi Robert,
Sorry I was confused as to whose
Brian
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Hello Jesse, Derk, Robert and all
IMHO, every traveller eventually goes home, because it is the only
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Hi Robert,
Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose!
Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for
about 20
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: G'day Derek;
:
: I was married to an American for 10 years, and although we lived in
several
: countries she still could not relate to others except in an American
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Hi Robert,
Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose!
Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for about 20
years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of
what makes each
Hi Robert,
Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose!
Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for about 20
years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of
what makes each other tick. BUT, sometimes I think my wife can run into
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Hi Luc,
As I believe you said that your sister was thinking of moving to Europe
from her homeland for a bit of fresh air, I might mention that I am a US
expatriate. I've lived overseas now for a total of fifteen years
AM
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That has me wondering how many people about the world the almost 3000
members of this List influence.
Derek Hargis
Best wishes
Keith
robert luis rabello
Hi Keith, et. al.,
Yes, that is what I had in mind. Kim had mentioned how much she valued the
interaction on this list, something that I also value, and feel that many
value. It is/has been an education and even an inspiration. At the same time,
for the world in general, I feel that to move
been created, not that it still wouldn't benefit, there is just so much
more animocity out there now, and well deserved I might add.
Luc
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Hi Luc,
As I believe you said that your sister was thinking of moving to Europe
from her homeland for a bit of fresh air, I might mention that I am a US
expatriate. I've lived
Hi Luc,
As I believe you said that your sister was thinking of moving to Europe from
her homeland for a bit of fresh air
Uh, Derek, that would be MY sister!
I might mention that I am a US expatriate. I've lived overseas now for a total
of fifteen years.
I moved to Canada in
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snip
I would be sad to see her go, only because she would be very far away, and
at times, she seems like
For those that do not have this opportunity to broaden
their perceptions of the world --
Buy a good shortwave radio and use it.
Kirk
--- robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Hi Luc,
As I believe you said that your sister was
thinking of moving to
Hello Robert
(This is robert's attempt at clarification)
Our foreign policy feeds from the well of our culture. I have a
couple of Arabic friends (a Palestinian and a Lebanese) who complain
that decadence in our society, especially consumerism and the weird
depravity
Hi,
Huge Snip
Yes, VERY many! And I don't believe you're passive about it, and not
without any effect. Your sister's not alone in wanting to leave, and
certainly not to be blamed for it either (not that I could blame
anyone for such a thing, with all my comings and goings for most of
?
It boils down to what a person deems acceptable or not acceptable, livable
or intolerable.
Luc
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That has me wondering how
Hi,
Huge Snip
Yes, VERY many! And I don't believe you're passive about it, and not
without any effect. Your sister's not alone in wanting to leave, and
certainly not to be blamed for it either (not that I could blame
anyone for such a thing, with all my comings and goings for most of
my
The heritage splits at Ishmael an Isaac. This is where it gets tricky.
And please understand that BOTH the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac are
BLESSED. But they are two distinct blessings and some would say that the
blessing placed on ishmael was more like a curse.
The promise was given to
Are you sure this is what they advocate violence over? Some of them
(VERY close friends of the US) do so as a penalty in their own
countries, but that's not what you're talking of. Bin Laden has been
very clear about this, so have many others. I don't believe they're
motivated by what
Hi Robert ;
You know this is such a fascinating thread for me, and
please believe me there is no offence intended for
anyone, because I ponder this subject and consider the
possiblity that I could be wrong or mis-informed.
We exchange ideas; it's part of learning and growing. It's ok to
Hello Robert, Ken
This is robert's remark:
I have a problem when the term Christian
Fundamentalist is used to describe the racist, book - burning and
intolerant zealots who behave in a manner utterly contrary to the
clear teachings of social justice found in the scriptures;
To which
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The heritage splits at Ishmael an Isaac. This is where it gets tricky.
And please understand that BOTH the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac are
BLESSED. But they are two distinct blessings and some
snip
Who wouldn't find liberty, equality, justice and freedom of religion
concepts worthy of utmost respect? These are supposed to be the
undergirding principles upon which our nation was founded, and it may be
difficult for foreigners to grasp how profoundly these ideas are impressed
Hi Kim, Luc, and all
[snip]
While I am not Luc or Ed, I did spend my first 35 years in Canada. Canada
has its own conditioning, as I suspect each county does. And yes, much of
Canada's conditioning is anti American. This point is brought home to us
very strongly every time we visit
At 01:32 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote:
snip
Who wouldn't find liberty, equality, justice and freedom of
religion concepts worthy of utmost respect? These are supposed to be
the undergirding principles upon which our nation was founded, and
it may be difficult for foreigners to grasp how
Keith Addison wrote:
Are you sure this is what they advocate violence over? Some of them
(VERY close friends of the US) do so as a penalty in their own
countries, but that's not what you're talking of. Bin Laden has
been very clear about this, so have many others. I don't believe
they're
snip
- perhaps arrogance? Pride has it's place, it's not necessarily
negative: pride in a good job well done, for instance. It can be
little different to self-respect. But wouldn't the pride that comes
before a fall be more arrogance than pride? After all, you can say,
Have you no pride?
I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know
the answer -- why do the traditional conservative
fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional
conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's,
correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US?
Hi Ken and Robert ;
They don't despise us as human beings. They
despise what we do.
Not an expert by any means, and valid points about the
actions of the US government, but I think they hate
the entirety of the western culture. Sex before
marriage, divorce, adultery, navel rings (and more
Hi Ken and Robert ;
Not an expert by any means, and valid points about the
actions of the US government, but I think they hate
the entirety of the western culture. Sex before
marriage, divorce, adultery, navel rings (and more
extreme forms of body piercing), tatoos, Madonna,
Brittany, gay
Hi Robert ;
You know this is such a fascinating thread for me, and
please believe me there is no offence intended for
anyone, because I ponder this subject and consider the
possiblity that I could be wrong or mis-informed.
Indeed! The difference between the moderate
western perspective on
Ken Provost wrote:
I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know
the answer -- why do the traditional conservative
fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional
conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's,
correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward
on 2/2/05 7:33 AM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the attitide of the traditional conservative
fundamentalists in the US to the Arab world?
Judging from the Crusades (a word you still hear occasionally)
Yes! And in rather telling circumstances, sometimes.
I'd say
Hi Ken and Robert ;
Not an expert by any means, and valid points about the
actions of the US government, but I think they hate
the entirety of the western culture. Sex before
marriage, divorce, adultery, navel rings (and more
extreme forms of body piercing), tatoos, Madonna,
Brittany,
I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know
the answer -- why do the traditional conservative
fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional
conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's,
correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US?
It
It's a can of worms.
The despise part is easiest to answer without opening the can too big. The
short of it ? Israel.
Luc
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I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really
don't know
the answer -- why do the traditional conservative
fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the
traditional
conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world
02, 2005 4:52 AM
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dear friend
religion is hard wired to homo sapiens brain. this
connection is strongly switched on when people are
subjected to injustices and oppression. I think this
has something to do with survival. If the people of
Iraq did
I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know
the answer -- why do the traditional conservative
fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional
conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's,
correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US?
on 2/2/05 7:33 AM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the attitide of the traditional conservative
fundamentalists in the US to the Arab world?
Judging from the Crusades (a word you still hear occasionally)
I'd say it's hostile but I'm still unclear about the
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