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Hello Kjell,
I pretty
every day.
Tom Irwin
From: Kjell Lofgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:43:08 -0300Subject: RE: [Biofuel] de-polymerizing cellulose not practical at this point
Tom, maybe I have to reevaluate my standings about my country when I read yourstatement
Brian,
sorry for chipping (!) in late but your romantic views calls for a
comment.
Turn the trees into pellets?This is a nice
idea but give me more info to work with please.I can take the bait if
you like.I was waiting and hoping for a chance to
enter into a discussion in this group in
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Brian, sorry for chipping (!) in late but your romantic views calls for a comment.
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Alright! Very cool. Thank you for the
fantastic feedback Kjell.
Brian, sorry for chipping
(!) in late but your romantic views calls for a comment.
Turn the trees into pellets?
This is a nice idea but give me more info to work with please.
I can take the bait if you like.
Wow, do I
Brian
You should consider turning the trees into pellets. There is a lot of
info on this from Danish and Swedish websites. Let someone else mess
with boilers etc.
Ken
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Ken Gotberg wrote:
Brian
You should consider turning the trees into pellets. There is a lot of
info on this from Danish and Swedish websites. Let someone else mess
with boilers etc.
Ken
Turn the trees into pellets?
This is a nice idea but give me more info to work with
please.
I can
Great feedback Robert, thanks
I think I have a better grasp of your aptitude
at this point. Even if you ARE comfortable with boilers, I suggest you
join a "Live Steam" group and spend some time with people, like you,
who understand machines.
You are right to caution people on the hazards of
Thank you Manick
You have another option with steam. It will
break down on its
ownhemicelluloses under pressure. And if a catalyst is present
celluloses also, in yields depending on amounts present. I think you
could use acids or alkalis as catalysts. You could use undigested
lignin as boiler
Hi
Chris
Thanks for the letter.
brian, i would seriously encourage you to look into a solar rather than wood
power to run your boiler. i don't know the capabilities or limitations of
solar boilers, but i know they're out there and your location, well, isn't that
kind of like solar
i wondered about the layout and terrain of your property while writing the
previous. but since you are always referring to it as the ranch, one forms a
certain idea. :)
just to clarify one point, while i did comment on smaller boilers to serve
separate buildings, my remark about a smaller
Brian Rodgers wrote:
Great feedback Robert, thanks
You're welcome. I wish I could contribute to the practical, hands
on discussions of this list more often than I do.
Yes this is one of the first sites I found the other day. I can't recall
how I came to it though. Most of my reading
Hello Chris
Thanks for the response.
Sorry about the confusion. We call it a ranch but it can be considered
a tree farm or a cattle ranch. We have 50 acres of irrigated pasture,
50 acres non irrigated pasture, 100 acres of Ponderosa Pine forest and
40 acres of Pion and Cedar Trees. Our family
Thanks Harlan
Hi Brian,
Why not use the cellulose and convert it to methane
using anerobic fermentation. The residue is fertilizer
and the products are CO2 and methane gas. One glucose
molecule gives you 3 parts methane and 3
parts(molecules) CO2. Burn the methane directly in the
generator.
You
would be farbetter to try and build a ranch community that didn't require
heating other than that provided by the sun,
there's a number of these sorts of projects going on,
for
cooling fan forced cooling via the concrete foundation slab is becoming more
popular. this removes the
Helow Brain, Tom , Robert , Keith and every one
As I am from academics side involved in this subject in our
list with PHD thesis (IIT, Delhi, India in 1980) on enzymatic
hydrolysis of bimass waste and following the research for the past
25 years in this area .After seeing
Okally Dokally.
Thank you for your concern.
Twenty years ago part of my job at the local movie theatre was keeping
all the
machines in operation. This
included maintaining an old natural gas
boiler down in the dark nasty basement. This old dinosaur had been
converted
from coal to oil and then
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cellulose not practical at this point
Thank you Tom, Robert, and
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I received an email from my Dad, the
retired chemist. He suggests we move away from
Hi Brian,
Why not use the cellulose and convert it to methane
using anerobic fermentation. The residue is fertilizer
and the products are CO2 and methane gas. One glucose
molecule gives you 3 parts methane and 3
parts(molecules) CO2. Burn the methane directly in the
generator. Separating the
brian, i would seriously encourage you to look into a solar rather than wood
power to run your boiler. i don't know the capabilities or limitations of
solar boilers, but i know they're out there and your location, well, isn't that
kind of like solar paradise? battery banks can provide your
Brian Rodgers wrote:
Thank you for your concern.
You're welcome! I think I have a better grasp of your aptitude at
this point. Even if you ARE comfortable with boilers, I suggest you
join a Live Steam group and spend some time with people, like you,
who understand machines. Skip
Hi Brian,
You have another option with steam. It will break down on its ownhemicelluloses under pressure. And if a catalyst is present celluloses also, in yields depending on amounts present. I think you could use acids or alkalis as catalysts. You could use undigested lignin as boiler fuel.
Thank you Tom, Robert, and
everyone for the fantastic feedback.
I received an email from my
Dad, the retired chemist. He suggests we move away from the idea of
de-polymerizing cellulose as it seems out of our reach financially and
technologically. I am happy to let the process of
Brian Rodgers wrote:
My next research project will be steam power.
Don't mess with steam unless you really know what you're doing. Hook
up with local steam enthusiasts and learn EVERYTHING you can before
putting yourself at risk. Boiler certification is mandated most
everywhere for
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