explicit? And do you have any suggestions for more
effective acts?
All best
Keith
Re: [Biofuel] Human Intelligence and the Environment Dawie Coetzee
Wed, 18 May 2011 21:13:57 -0700
I'm coming into this debate late because I'm not sure if I have more
than disconnected philosophical snippets
you be more explicit? And do you have any suggestions for more
effective acts?
All best
Keith
Re: [Biofuel] Human Intelligence and the Environment Dawie Coetzee
Wed, 18 May 2011 21:13:57 -0700
I'm coming into this debate late because I'm not sure if I have more
than disconnected philosophical
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Mon, 23 May, 2011 1:11:17
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Hello Dawie
Indeed, I haven't kept chickens! I bow to your better experience.
My comment was, however, by way of illustration
Hi Chris
i think dawie was referring more to the placement of the eyes. at least
that was how i understood his meaning. mammals = both eyes in front VS.
birds (or fish, reptiles, whatever) = one eye either side of head. so with
a dog we're more sort of automatically aware they're looking at
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Hi Dawie
Very interesting, food for thought, thankyou.
I don't agree with this though:
Our relationship
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Hi Dawie
Very interesting, food for thought, thankyou.
I don't agree with this though:
Our relationship to those non-human
beings with which
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Greetings all,
Re whales choosing to return to the sea. The statement seems
to turn natural selection on its head
beautifully said, dawie.
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i think dawie was referring more to the placement of the eyes. at least
that was how i understood his meaning. mammals = both eyes in front VS.
birds (or fish, reptiles, whatever) = one eye either side of head. so with
a dog we're more sort of automatically aware they're looking at us.
oh, and
Vestigial, or emerging?
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The scientists
On May 18, 2011 8:46 PM, bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings all,
Re whales choosing to return to the sea.
wow, i'm surprised a little by the reaction that proposition is getting.
The statement seems
to turn natural selection on its head.
i don't think so.
My
The scientists have reasons for their conclusions. For example, whales
have vestigial legs.
Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
On 18/05/2011 8:46 PM, bmolloy wrote:
Greetings all,
Re whales choosing to return to the sea.
[snip]
As for warm blooded sea creatures
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Hi Chris
quite true keith. you've touched on some points i've been meaning to bring
to bring to bear on this discussion. hopefully i'll find some time to
contribute more.
robert, i was trying to draw you into the discussion
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Greetings all,
Re whales choosing to return to the sea. The statement seems
to turn natural selection on its
Hi Chris
quite true keith. you've touched on some points i've been meaning to bring
to bring to bear on this discussion. hopefully i'll find some time to
contribute more.
robert, i was trying to draw you into the discussion as a thought exercise
(the thing about the whales). this very
On 15/05/2011 8:27 PM, robert and benita rabello wrote:
Ok. I'll concede that I'm more pessimistic about humanity. We
could argue that you'd remain more optimistic in contrast, but that's
really not the point of this discussion. Is our intelligence
responsible for the environmental
On 15/05/2011 4:41 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
snip
Anyway, you usually say I'm more optimistic than you are, as if that
explains it. Actually, it's been accepted here before that there's no
contradiction between optimism and realism. So what do you really
mean when you say I'm optimistic? Maybe
Hello Joe
On 15/05/2011 4:41 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
snip
Anyway, you usually say I'm more optimistic than you are, as if that
explains it. Actually, it's been accepted here before that there's no
contradiction between optimism and realism. So what do you really
mean when you say I'm
Hi Robert
On 5/15/2011 1:41 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
(My remark concerning your optimism)
That's not quite the full picture Robert. This is a cyclical
discussion here, and am I right in thinking that the cycle is
speeding up?
I'm not sure. The Biofuels list doesn't seem as active
Interesting discussion;
I've heard it postulated that having a significant prefrontal cortex allows us
humans to -if we work really really hard at it- achieve something that isn't
pure evil. That said, we -as a species- don't really like to use our prefrontal
cortex all that much. We prefer to
On 5/15/2011 6:56 AM, Chip Mefford wrote:
Interesting discussion;
I've heard it postulated that having a significant prefrontal cortex allows us
humans to -if we work really really hard at it- achieve something that isn't
pure evil. That said, we -as a species- don't really like to use our
We are trying to draw a correlation between intelligence and survival
but first we should ask the question whether the two necessarily should
have a correlation. Does high intelligence imply enhanced survival
ability? Should we make this assumption? Have a look at species which
have existed
I keep waiting for Keith to jump in, as he is far more optimistic
about human nature than I.
That's not quite the full picture Robert. This is a cyclical
discussion here, and am I right in thinking that the cycle is
speeding up?
Anyway, you usually say I'm more optimistic than you are,
quite true keith. you've touched on some points i've been meaning to bring
to bring to bear on this discussion. hopefully i'll find some time to
contribute more.
robert, i was trying to draw you into the discussion as a thought exercise
(the thing about the whales). this very question was put
On 5/15/2011 1:41 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
(My remark concerning your optimism)
That's not quite the full picture Robert. This is a cyclical
discussion here, and am I right in thinking that the cycle is
speeding up?
I'm not sure. The Biofuels list doesn't seem as active as it has
been
On 5/15/2011 2:53 PM, Chris Burck wrote:
snip
robert, i was trying to draw you into the discussion as a thought exercise
(the thing about the whales). this very question was put to me many years
back, and it proved to be very transformational. no, i'm not trying to
guru you.
:)
but
On 5/13/2011 10:23 PM, Chris Burck wrote:
some define intelligence as the ability to comprehend; or to compute. to
grok.
others like to define it as the ability to think adaptively, i.e. to learn
from experience.
those are probably the two most common uses of the word. people don't
I think essential to your question is that there is confusion about the
definition of intelligence. What does it mean? And should we assume
that a consequence of what we define as intelligence precludes the
possibility of self destruction? Perhaps our definitions are not good
enough or
On 5/13/2011 7:33 AM, Joe Street wrote:
I think essential to your question is that there is confusion about the
definition of intelligence. What does it mean? And should we assume
that a consequence of what we define as intelligence precludes the
possibility of self destruction? Perhaps our
some define intelligence as the ability to comprehend; or to compute. to
grok.
others like to define it as the ability to think adaptively, i.e. to learn
from experience.
those are probably the two most common uses of the word. people don't
usually think of intelligence in terms of morality.
On 5/11/2011 11:24 AM, Keith Addison wrote:
With the environmental crisis, we're now in a situation where we can
decide whether Mayr was right or not. If nothing significant is done
about it, and pretty quickly, then he will have been correct: human
intelligence is indeed a lethal mutation.
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